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Post by llama4president on May 21, 2017 12:04:45 GMT -5
Actually i play as a brawler and i totally don't like them. They totally Ruin the War Robots Mechish immersion. It seems they are more consistent with a Final Fantasy game than a Mech one. I can totally see where you're coming from. But as it is right now the bots are soooooo slllllooooooowwww. I have a leo that I never play and wouldnt take a Natasha if it was free, same goes for fury and lance. I don't even like my carnages and I run two of them from time to time. Slug Wars is what it should be called LOL, i come from Mechwarrior single player series (never got to love MWO) and you could be surprised, but i do love "slow" and "stompy" EDIT: I might want to add that it's NOT a solution make a single bot "nation" to be ultrafast, while all the other bots in the game follow different laws of physics
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Post by Golden Sabre on May 21, 2017 12:17:15 GMT -5
Battle race mode would rock, be the first to the finish line, no rules!!!
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Post by llama4president on May 21, 2017 12:36:30 GMT -5
Battle race mode would rock, be the first to the finish line, no rules!!! eheh hear what i think: the new matchmaker came up around 5 months ago, gamebreaking all previous balances. All lights and medium and some heavies still need to be "fixed" to match the new gameplay. Lights being fast, were able to keep up " a little" in the role of early or late capper, and could be deserve a single spot in an hangar. Mediums on the other hand had the hardest strike, being not fast enough, not armed enough, not resilient enough, with a couple of exceptions (galahad, carnage) which pack good firepower with speed and some resiliency. in the previous Matchmaker silver bots like Boa, Golem, Vitiaz, could still have a place. Now they are totally out of place, and they have become SADLY just temporary bots before you can buy griffins (or leos). Basically, the new MM still needs a major overhaul of existing bots to make them viable for gameplay without them being just obsolete scrap parts. For me now Pixonic should concentrate to make a coherent fix so -every- bot could be viable not for endgame, but at least for midgame. Adding a new bot category (Dash bots) that would make even more Bots obsolete, is a bad choice even for just RL money gains, because they surely would gain money on the early start selling, but would certainly ruin even more the game balance which is still to be addressed. I think that now is not the correct timing for adding more spice to the soup, they need to fix the basic ingredients before adding any kind of spice. About the Dash ability, i think it's too similar to Rush+Jump merged, and my guts feels that a skill should be something "new" not merging multiple previous skills together.
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Post by rustedscrap on May 21, 2017 13:44:12 GMT -5
I was viewing the mk3 as the ancilot Slayer. Hard shield absorbs ancilots plasma, and 3 tarans on the counter attack break apart lances shield and proceed to shred him. It dies to rockets. All seems balanced. Plasma ancilot will no longer be so dominating... Everyone loves mk1 and mk2, but I think the heavy becomes the real changer of the current ancilot dominated meta Galahad is already good at this. And has the added benifit of being able to shield and shoot at the same time. Add the fact that the 2 magnums dont need to reload.
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Post by robocain on May 21, 2017 14:02:50 GMT -5
From a collectors point of view, I want all dash bots in my inventory. But that's already it. I don't like the animation of dash ability. The movement looks way too unrealistic, which is a major issue for me to enjoy these bots.
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Post by llama4president on May 21, 2017 14:48:52 GMT -5
Why are dashbots totally unbalanced: 1) Dashbot Mk1 - Light bot. 2 MED hardpoints. Dash Ability (cost 1250Au ?) - Gepard (1250 Au) - Light, 3 hardpoints, NO Dash ability. here the difference is made clear,
they made a bot that is totally redundant with the Gepard. The only downside of MK1 is that it's bigger physically than a Gepard, actually it's as big as a MED.
- Rogatka (2500 Au) - Med , 2 MED hardpoints, Jump ability. Faster than MK1. Here we see
that the dashbot Mk1 is actually a Rogatka with DASH instead of Jump. And it's a light (costing less). MK1 is still taller than a Rogatka. But the double dash make it more agile than any Rogatka or light bot whatsoever.
2) Dashbot Mk2 - Medium bot. 3 MED hardpoints. Energy Shield always up. Dash abilty (cost 2500 Au?)
- Fujin (13000 wsp) - Medium, 3 MED hardpoints. Energy Shield ability. Slow bot.
Here we see the biggest candidate to become obsolete as soon Dash Mk2 enters the game. There will be NO point in playing a Fujin, as the MK2 will be a direct upgrade. You will have faster speed, better resilience (Energy Shield is always active), Better weapon placement (all weapons on top), and the same firepower of a Fujin. Basically everything in MK2 is better than Fujin. One could argue that Mk2 will be for Au, while Fujin is for Wsp, but i think every bot should have its comfort zone, and not be obsolete for their Au counterpart. Au bots should have some advantage, but not making totally obsolete the lower costing bots.
- Rogatka (2500 Au) - Med, 2 MED hardpoints. Fast speed.
Here the Rogatka, as expected as it was already outclassed by Mk1, is totally outclassed by Mk2 as well. The increased resiliency, dps, and most of all, DASH being safer than JUMP (Dash lets you keep building cover, while Jump negates it making you a visible target). The Rogatka would be crushed in this competition, and it would become a totally obsole bot.
- Galahad (2500 Au) - Med, 1 Med 2 Light hardpoints. Good Speed.
The Galahad would keep pace in performance levels with the Mk2, due to Galahad awesome resilience. About Dps, Galahad deals less damage than the Mk2, being 3 Meds better (4.5 vs 3.5) About resilience, Energy Shield+Dash make up for very good damage avoiding abilities, Galahad would be still vulnerable to splash and easily counterable, while Mk2 would be counterable with plasma weapons and almost immune to splash. The advantage over Galahad is slight in survivability, but really strong in the dps part.
3) Dashbot Mk3 - Heavy Bot - 3 MED hardpoints. Good Speed. (5000 Au?)
- Lancelot (5000 Au) - The Mk3 is actually underpar of Lancelot both for DPS (5 vs 4.5),
resilience (shield is actually stroner than Lancelots) but the lack of Ancile equipping make it underpar for static cap holding. The Dash ability though counters big splash weapons, either by reaching cover easily, or making enemies to mishoot at suddenly empty spaces. About the speed Mk3 totally beats any Heavy bot, being fast itself, and having the Dash ability.
- Rhino (15000 wsp) - well, i won't lose time as this bot was already made obsolete by Lancelot, and it needs
rebalance for sure
- Raijin (15000 wsp) - Same as Rhino, this bot i feel is already obsolete, and Mk2 would just aggravate it.
- Griffin (Silver) - here this is a strange point to put, but the Griffin is actually a bot that can keep pace up
the higher leagues, being one of the best silver bots. Speed - Mk3 will annihilate it Resilience - having shield there is no issue over it, plainly better Jump vs Dash - Dash lets you keep cover, while Jump makes you a target. Jump on the other hand lets you target thing you couldn't target while being at ground level. But safety first, as Rogatka for mk2, i would still prefer a Dash vs a Jump, considering that everything that jump gets blasted in seconds.
- Weapon placement. 3 MED on top right.
I am making a whole point for this, as the analysis of the Mk3 so far make it the less broken of the 3 Dashbots. Why i do think that Mk3 is not to be underestimated and is as much as broken as the other 2? For the weapon placement. It's just PERFECT. i made this separate point just for this. Is so PERFECT and ABUSABLE, that i do think that Mk3 would be a very strong bot even if it didn't have any DASH nor SHIELDs. There are several places on every map where this type of weapon placement would make it the most strong bot in the game (vulnerable to splash tho, as it would need it to stay semi static and becoming a target) the 3 slots are placed to corner hug perfectly most low buildings, staying unhittable and immune to any but splash weapons. And 3 Meds on a single side remind me like a Galahad corner hugging with just 1 Med+2 light. What would happen with 3 Meds on a single side? Pure Slaughter. In case you get shot by splash: Dash away. in case you get rushed, you have Shield vs Non-Splash weapons.
So these are my reasons, and probably here will be even more, to think they are totally unbalanced.
I would want to have them in my hangar? if the answer is YES over to every bot i could possibly own, it means that they are unbalanced, and would hurt the game.
Pix could make money at start by selling them, but in the end they would lose money to have to dedicate resources to Rebalance the rest of the Bots, or by losing customers because this kind of unbalance really hurts your reputation.
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Post by intruder1 on May 21, 2017 14:59:29 GMT -5
If Pix follows their current track record, the dash bots will only be purchasable with special event currency. Look at the gold cost for the WW bots during the last event, they were all significantly more expensive than similar bot types.
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Post by Insane Demon on May 21, 2017 16:18:26 GMT -5
What are "Dash bots"?
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Post by intruder1 on May 21, 2017 16:35:28 GMT -5
They're prototype bots with a "dash" ability, being tested on the test server. Here's a video that I just uploaded, and I fielded all 3 of the bots.
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Post by Duodec on May 21, 2017 21:07:28 GMT -5
If they bring the dash Bots to the live server as-is they'll be game changers. They're just too fast, and carry too much Firepower.
Anyone else notice that on the test server the Mark 3 compliments the medium prototype perfectly? You can rotate your torso enough to shoot at the enemy while still presenting your Shield to their plasma. I killed many a bot today without taking any damage.
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Post by drake1588 on May 21, 2017 22:36:48 GMT -5
Can we start calling them lagbots instead? They move just like a super laggy player!
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Post by oakwhelie on May 22, 2017 0:54:54 GMT -5
I have all 3 dash bot in test hangar and, i tell you they my first 1 million damage was done with these guys. You're not supposed to charge in like britbot, you have to play it save like griffin byt with more aggresiveness.
Planned to buy galahad until the dash came out. Now im waiting for them
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Post by oakwhelie on May 22, 2017 0:56:02 GMT -5
If they bring the dash Bots to the live server as-is they'll be game changers. They're just too fast, and carry too much Firepower. Anyone else notice that on the test server the Mark 3 compliments the medium prototype perfectly? You can rotate your torso enough to shoot at the enemy while still presenting your Shield to their plasma. I killed many a bot today without taking any damage. Yup, i used mine that way. Really like it
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Post by Duodec on May 22, 2017 9:17:03 GMT -5
Can we start calling them lagbots instead? They move just like a super laggy player! You nailed it. I thought I had a really crappy connection yesterday until I remembered their special ability. Then I discovered that I really did, and nothing had changed.
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Post by jazzykat on May 22, 2017 9:20:38 GMT -5
Based on feedback and hype the correct question is: Does anybody dislike the dashbots?
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Post by Duodec on May 22, 2017 9:42:19 GMT -5
Based on feedback and hype the correct question is: Does anybody dislike the dashbots? I'm definitely not thrilled with them. They'll make too many bots obsolete.
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Post by anjian on May 22, 2017 10:12:56 GMT -5
I like them. Personally can't wait for the testing periods to play them.
I definitely want the Korean bots, and game needs some new face and new moves.
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Post by Crusher-of-Souls on May 22, 2017 10:32:48 GMT -5
It seems to me that nobody in this entire thread has not noticed that the heavy dash bot can turn its weapons almost 90 degrees. If the lock on is used, this allows it to shoot while block with its shield. (I still like mkII the best.)
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Post by anjian on May 22, 2017 10:50:54 GMT -5
I can totally see where you're coming from. But as it is right now the bots are soooooo slllllooooooowwww. I have a leo that I never play and wouldnt take a Natasha if it was free, same goes for fury and lance. I don't even like my carnages and I run two of them from time to time. Slug Wars is what it should be called LOL, i come from Mechwarrior single player series (never got to love MWO) and you could be surprised, but i do love "slow" and "stompy" EDIT: I might want to add that it's NOT a solution make a single bot "nation" to be ultrafast, while all the other bots in the game follow different laws of physics Slow, deliberate and robotic are also okay.
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Post by Thunderkiss on May 22, 2017 12:18:39 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks these won't be a complete game changer is in for a very rude awakening. While availability will certainly slow this down, the mk2 and mk1 are going to ruin the current reality. They are both SO fast and SO maneuverable with the firepower of a giant tank strapped on for giggles.
Paps has it right, trebs and Zeus are going to go waaaay up in value against these things and trident furys should begin to decline, altho, they won't for a bit as people will need time to figure out how bad trident are against them or just plain can't afford different weapons. I'm not even willing to bet on galahads to stop them, as 3 orkans fit nicely on the mk2, and with the +%30 buff it will be childs play to vaporize them.
Right handed smack galahad? Way of the dodo. Fujiin anything? Way of the dodo. Trident fury? Way of the dodo. Gareth? You guessed it, way of the dodo.
These bots are amazing at what they do, as long as you know what you're doing with them.
Ignore them at your peril.
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Post by bastionow on May 22, 2017 12:25:12 GMT -5
The Fujin will be put out of order by the MkII. The Rogatka and MkI will be fighting for attention. It's like two frogs fighting, but one of them likes running more than jumping.
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Post by oakwhelie on May 22, 2017 14:33:53 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks these won't be a complete game changer is in for a very rude awakening. While availability will certainly slow this down, the mk2 and mk1 are going to ruin the current reality. They are both SO fast and SO maneuverable with the firepower of a giant tank strapped on for giggles. Paps has it right, trebs and Zeus are going to go waaaay up in value against these things and trident furys should begin to decline, altho, they won't for a bit as people will need time to figure out how bad trident are against them or just plain can't afford different weapons. I'm not even willing to bet on galahads to stop them, as 3 orkans fit nicely on the mk2, and with the +%30 buff it will be childs play to vaporize them. Right handed smack galahad? Way of the dodo. Fujiin anything? Way of the dodo. Trident fury? Way of the dodo. Gareth? You guessed it, way of the dodo. These bots are amazing at what they do, as long as you know what you're doing with them. Ignore them at your peril. I've leveled my treb for a while. At first, it was for fun sniping at MRS, light bot, wounded bot and jumpers. It seems im doing the right thing
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Post by greyhawk on May 22, 2017 18:05:20 GMT -5
They are totally broken i usually have an average 700+k dmg on test server with a couple of them going above 800 with an entire lineup, crazy firepower , speed and dodgin ability i hope they will not comes alive as they are or this will became war Dash game!
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