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Post by awesome_stuff! on May 10, 2017 13:23:36 GMT -5
Which one is better. I feel like it is a very close tie. The golem just has slightly more firepower, and the vityaz has health. pretty much everything else is the same between them two. what is more important? fire power or health? which ones do you prefer?
p.s I know that boa is better than them both, but i already have one so its between just these.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 13:24:37 GMT -5
It does different roles. Right now, the only semi-viable builds for the Golam and Vityaz is the Trident Pin Tulumbas Golem or the Thunder/Ancile Aphid Vityaz.
I prefer the Golem.
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Post by arakos on May 10, 2017 13:25:39 GMT -5
Golem is very fast to upgrade. And cheap. My favourite starting bot: you can get it to lvl 9 in two days.
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Post by maxboxer on May 10, 2017 13:44:31 GMT -5
At my beginnin i've run a full hangar of golem....
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 14:26:53 GMT -5
You can be annoying with either but Vityaz supports the most realistically usable setup.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on May 10, 2017 15:11:30 GMT -5
Golem = Corner Peeking. Try standing behind those beacon pillars on the moon map. works better with a Lance but a golem will do in a pinch
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Post by Feezou on May 10, 2017 15:19:40 GMT -5
Golems are more usable in the long run.
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Post by Firebeard on May 10, 2017 16:04:34 GMT -5
Vityaz: Zeus/Spiral (Corner-peeking)
Extremely versatile and durable. Has access to secondary light-weapon hardpoint affording it greater damage at range.
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Post by Shahmatt on May 10, 2017 21:29:17 GMT -5
I prefer the Ancile Plasma Golem. The corner peaking ability is phenomenal. I'm in borderline Gold/Silver and find it still to be one of my most useful bots.
I also have a Trident Molot Golem which is great for Canyon and Yamantau.
The good news is Golems tend to be ignored in favor of hard hitters like Griffins and Lances. So hang back and do your wurst.
Also, the play style is different to the Boa. So I'm not sure if it's fair to compare the two in the same light. I have a Thunder Taran Boa and it is deadly in the smaller maps.
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Post by jckidd on May 10, 2017 21:48:13 GMT -5
Golem all the way. Only bot with one of each weapon. Very versatile.
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Post by moody on May 10, 2017 22:18:19 GMT -5
I just love the look of the Vityez. Did very well with two back in the day - one thunder magnum, the other thunder pinata. Later I made one of these trident pin. Other three slots were boas.
I have actually never owned a golem.
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Post by tekkamanblade on May 11, 2017 1:11:00 GMT -5
Golem is very fast to upgrade. And cheap. My favourite starting bot: you can get it to lvl 9 in two days. Arakos Yes I have a level 12 golem.....very fast upgrade....
And it still only lasts about 10 seconds against a level 6 bot (griffin, galahad, leo, etc.) so pretty much useless. Just had time and silver to waste since it was so fast.
The thing is, Griffin also last about 10 seconds against another PDB griffin or thunder leo. So you don't blame golem because of that. Golem can be a good trident tulu pin range support, he can take becan and kill brit bots. Not go thunder to thunder suicide with leo or lance.
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Post by arakos on May 11, 2017 2:12:04 GMT -5
Golem is very fast to upgrade. And cheap. My favourite starting bot: you can get it to lvl 9 in two days. Arakos Yes I have a level 12 golem.....very fast upgrade....
And it still only lasts about 10 seconds against a level 6 bot (griffin, galahad, leo, etc.) so pretty much useless. Just had time and silver to waste since it was so fast.
Hehe I said starting bot. S T A R T I N G. Not top tier. It gives you an edge when you start to play, useful from lvl 3 up.
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Post by H1151 on May 11, 2017 4:23:41 GMT -5
For me they are actually two different tools. Vityaz has the hp, so it can get closer to the action. Golem has the hardpoint versatility, so it works best as a mid-range support. That goes for iOS Diamond levels, though. For lower levels, and when having to choose just one of the two, I would say Golem hands down. It can perform adequately in almost all roles up to low Gold. And as arakos said above, it is extremely fast to upgrade. I attached a pic below of what I currently run in my hangar. By no means the most viable setup for that league, but keeps the game interesting and fun, and forces me to learn new things instead of the sameold sameold merry-go-round. More importantly however, it goes to show, that both Vityaz and Golem can be used also in higher tiers. Anyone can do it, it just takes a bit of time and patience, and finding out which weapon combos work best for your style of play. (On that, I have to try the Ancile plasma Golem Shahmatt mentioned above. Sounds like a very interesting setup!) -Hiisi
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Post by awesome_stuff! on May 11, 2017 8:05:09 GMT -5
most of you are saying golem is better, but what about the squishy health?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 8:14:26 GMT -5
most of you are saying golem is better, but what about the squishy health? Golem is not meant for knife fighting.
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Post by SlowReflexes on May 11, 2017 9:16:45 GMT -5
most of you are saying golem is better, but what about the squishy health? Golem is not meant for knife fighting. Well I remember TOP Golem being pretty good, but that relied on ambush and quick kills for best results.
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Post by ryel on May 11, 2017 9:18:33 GMT -5
I voted for Vityaz because none of these viable after bronze, and as a beginner bot Thunder+Pinata Vityaz is better then Thunder+Punisher Golem because its weapons are better investment to upgrade.
Personally when I started my first medium bot was a Golem but it did not spend too much time in my hanger, after I got my first Taran from workshop I replaced it with a Boa.
IMHO the rank of the silver mediums : Pre WSP weapons: Patton > Vityaz > Golem=Boa Pre AU weapons: Taran Boa > Trident Golem > Vityaz=Patton After AU weapons: Aphid Patton > Orkan Boa > Golem > Vityaz
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 10:00:51 GMT -5
Well I remember TOP Golem being pretty good, but that relied on ambush and quick kills for best results. Yes, but the TOP Golem or the Thunder Taran Magnum relied on playing in Low Silver of the previous system or lower.
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Post by awesome_stuff! on May 11, 2017 13:15:29 GMT -5
I really want to put tridents, tulum, and pins, but to get the trident, you need to be lvl 20+, which by then wouldn't golem not be compatible?
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Post by infraviolet on May 11, 2017 13:49:21 GMT -5
Might run a Plasma/Ancile Golem just for fun. Although I don't think I've ever used a silver medium bot in battle before.
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Post by H1151 on May 11, 2017 14:21:53 GMT -5
most of you are saying golem is better, but what about the squishy health? It's difficult to give a definite answer without knowing what level you play in. I assume you are still in early stages though, because you are considering getting one or the other. If that's the case, I wouldn't worry too much about the squishiness. Vityaz and Golem are not that different from each other, and the time low hp and lack of shielding start to be a real problem, you have probably already moved on to other bots. Meanwhile Golem has more damage delivery potential than Vityaz due to its medium hardpoint, and it is a lot quicker to upgrade. Those facts mean it will most likely generate you more ag & au, and faster. Golem can also serve as a decent medium range support platform - in fact you can slap any of your weapons onto it, using all sorts of combos - which makes it more versatile than Vityaz. It will make your weapons management easier, too. You can use a single wep in Golem while saving for another, not having to resort to all sorts of inefficient frankenbuilds in the meantime. -Hiisi Ps. For some reason I like playing with Vityaz more at the moment, though. It's somehow the "purest" bot of the whole game, the median. No gimmicks or special abilities. Just one heavy wep and two light ones, and pilot skill - or lack of, as often seems to be my case. However, that has nothing to do with which bot is the more intelligent choice for an aspiring pilot. EDIT: I see you are in bronze. Then what I said above stands (unless bronze has really advanced from what it was when I was there).
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Post by Thunderkiss on May 11, 2017 14:32:32 GMT -5
Just get a griffin and have done with it.
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Post by robocain on May 11, 2017 17:55:48 GMT -5
I have all bots except Butch and tons of all the weapons. Vityaz is still my favorite bot. It's a challenge to use it effectively in higher leagues, but it packs a punch. Vityaz with Mags and Ancile is the perfect support bot for heavy knife fighters from the blue team. It is fast enough to keep up with most bots so they are protected inside the Ancile hemishere while the Mags are firing timed plasma shots relentlessly for suppression. Thunder and Mags is also nice as a support for heavy knife fighters. Whenever you sit in a Vityaz - look for the nearest blue Lancelot or Ancilot and stick to it. There's enough health to make this a very deadly combination. So to me, even in higher leagues, Vityaz fits a niche and works excellently in its role. And it's fun to be different from the meta.
PIXONIC If you re-design Vityaz, planet earth will explode. Don't do this!!! It is the best looking bot. It looks as cool as an Apache helicopter. I would totally love to see new bots that are designed like Vityaz. Vityaz could be reality someday. When tanks will be replaced by huge military robots in the future, they will look like Vityaz. Keep Vityaz as is bring bring more stuff like it.
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Post by ewing411 on May 11, 2017 18:35:31 GMT -5
<snip> p.s I know that boa is better than them both, but i already have one so its between just these. Concerned over bot burnout?
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Post by 0ppressor on May 11, 2017 19:55:16 GMT -5
Voted 'It's a Tie' as there was no 'Neither' option.
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Post by Shahmatt on May 11, 2017 20:56:35 GMT -5
I really want to put tridents, tulum, and pins, but to get the trident, you need to be lvl 20+, which by then wouldn't golem not be compatible? I've tried this build. It's effective but a difficult to use because of the mismatched reload times. That is, the Trident and Pins fire at close to 12 seconds but the Tulumbas at 18 seconds. However if the rockets mod does come out it could become more viable.
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Post by jckidd on May 11, 2017 21:06:01 GMT -5
As a support golem, I enjoyed playing a Zeus Molot Molot set up.
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Post by awesome_stuff! on May 12, 2017 13:32:38 GMT -5
is there any SILVER/WSP golem setups compatible with the tri/tulu/pin setup, or is trident setup the best one? Also is magnum thunder better on vit or thunder pinata.
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