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Post by shivaswrath on May 16, 2017 16:04:49 GMT -5
A DB Rhino is an almost permanent member of my hangar. I have all the bots but a Butch and Stalker, so it's not a placeholder for some future upgrade. After the long learning curve it took to really understand the bot, I've come to really rely on the methods and effectiveness of the Rhino. I'm considering buying a second one here shortly, to run with Plasma or Molots. Side note: my first Rhino build was RDB, but shortly after, I switched to Molots and absolutely loved that setup! My molots haven't been leveled in forever so atm they're all but useless, but I've been dreaming about getting them back into the fray. Can you share tips? I've never had a good use with DB. I usually to Plasma Rhino if at all. |
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Post by Alanbit on May 17, 2017 5:54:45 GMT -5
My "thrillmeter" is an absolute rollercoaster. I've just read a post describing an appealing setup for the Rhino and hours after my orkan rogatka meets a Magnum orkan Rhino and, well, rogatka just took about 15k damage  |
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Post by SATmaster728 on May 17, 2017 6:39:26 GMT -5
My "thrillmeter" is an absolute rollercoaster. I've just read a post describing an appealing setup for the Rhino and hours after my orkan rogatka meets a Magnum orkan Rhino and, well, rogatka just took about 15k damage skill still play a roll...love fighting rhinos in a orkan rog, can jump over and over again, making slow turning speed more hard to combat. |
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Post by Russel on May 17, 2017 6:53:35 GMT -5
My "thrillmeter" is an absolute rollercoaster. I've just read a post describing an appealing setup for the Rhino and hours after my orkan rogatka meets a Magnum orkan Rhino and, well, rogatka just took about 15k damage :( skill still play a roll...love fighting rhinos in a orkan rog, can jump over and over again, making slow turning speed more hard to combat. Well, if it is an Orkan\Pinata Rhino I can shoot it down with my Taran Rog either :) Just LOVE facelifted Rogatka. |
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Post by LITu2 on May 17, 2017 20:25:32 GMT -5
Okay, I did not read this thread, but I've done search for "molot" and haven't found one, so I'll shoot: Why are you guys insist of using bots only one way and then pretending it's "of no use anymore"? Rhino is AWESOME long-range support, all-molot on Yamantau, Springfield, Canyon. Put shield on, reload, scrap off those Trebs and Zeus. Reload finished - shield off, shoot. Way better than Moffin (MOlot griFFIN) that's a very specific, low damage, long range option. Actually using Level 8 Molots and Molot 2s makes quite an impact. When I have done a flanking attack with a Rhinolot  you're able to pick off a couple of red bots, especially heavies attacking in the centre, because they're focussed on their attack and have no time to scan the horizon to look for who's hitting them. When they do realize where you are and come at you, provided you've got some cover you can draw the attackers off the centre and on to you, often 3 or 4 bots which then allows the rest of your team to grab the centre beacon. I'm thinking particularly of Canyon here. On Springfield you can do a wide curve if you're at the farm end and either attack the centre or rear beacon, and the Molots are great for hitting bots that are out of range for their weapons. On Shenzhen you're able to flank and often there's little or no opposition, and you can get behind and close to the spawn point quite quickly, while grabbing a beacon on your way. Powerplant is my favorite map and if you use the cover effectively, the rhino is quite a short bot, the chances of getting hit from the side or back are lower. Even at close range Level 8 or higher Molots are no slouches. You could also load up Punishers for close range and Molot 2s for mid to long range on your rhino if you want more close range firepower. |
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Post by LITu2 on May 17, 2017 21:19:50 GMT -5
OK, so is the Rhino a dying breed? Well I've just played on Springfield and here's the outcome. Game won. I only used my Rhino (9), Orkan (6) x1, Taran (8) x1, Piñata (9) x2. Taken down 1 Tarancilot and 2 Rajins parked next to each other near the spawn point. I don't know what the Rajins were loaded with but whatever it was had no impact on my Rhino.
I did have a Taran/Magnum Griffin with me for the Tarancilot and a Galahad for the Rajins but I don't think the outcome would have been any different without them. I was happy to have them there, but I'm making a point about the Rhino's effectiveness. I don't know the levels of the opposing bots or their weapon levels, but in this game the rhino was king. Give me an 12/12 Orkan Rhino over a 12/12 Tarancilot every time.
The Rhino Is Dead, Long Live The Rhino!!!!
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Post by LITu2 on May 17, 2017 22:30:50 GMT -5
They are easy to kill with Lancelots. Not the one I played just now, I ate him like a hamburger. |
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Post by LITu2 on May 17, 2017 23:10:46 GMT -5
I'm at Gold level. I know the Rhino is a difficult beast to master but in a 1 v 1 game I'd choose a Rhino before a griffin, leo, carnage, any of the spider bots or anything in the medium or light range, except maybe a Galahad. A Rhino will hold the Centre beacon far better than most other bots provided it's not getting shot up from the side. I bought my first Orkan the other day and am busy leveling it up. It makes a huge difference in in close fights and makes the Rhino much more competitive. That's the main problem I have with the Rhino, due to my lack of pilot skills, I almost always am flanked by someone and kills me in a sudden. Orkans is what I aim for, becouse in order to approach the enemy, shield on, you can't use your middle weapons (brit robots don't have this problem), and when I lower my shield I NEED to deal as much damage as possible ASAP. Due to my weapons level (7-8) tarans take too long to damage the enemy enough. I wouldn't worry about this, as you use it more you'll become a better pilot. Here are some tips that might be helpful: - play differently in the open to maps with lots of cover. In the open try to get from A to B as fast as you can, although stop and check to see if you have a red bot coming towards you. Where there is lots of cover move more slowly and check regularly to see if a red is next to you behind cover or behind you. - where you can keep a wall or cover next to you on one side, it minimises the chance of you being hit on both sides. On Canyon get under the bridge in the centre and sit. Check for reds on the other side of the wall and behind you. On Yamamato start with your Rhino and go straight for the center beacon. Once it's been captured by blues go back and sit at the top of the ramp, so that you are at eye level with the platform but most of your Rhino is below the platform level. This also allows you to scan the walkways on both sides of the centre beacon and return fire to any reds up there. Punishers and molots are useful here as they give you more range than magnums or pinatas. - I upgraded my rhino as fast as possible before upgrading weapons. I know this is not what everyone says, but it worked for me as my rhino lasts longer and goes faster. - Until you have orkans I would put punishers or molots as the light weapons, rather than pinatas or magnums. Magnums are useless against shielded bots and once you have fired your rockets you sit helpless while your pinatas reload. If you miss with the pinatas you have nothing until the next reload. You are able to do some damage past 350m with punishers which pinatas and magnums definitely can't. Your Tarans will work well for knife-fighting. - When I first got my Rhino I loaded it with Tarans and magnums or pinatas, and tried brawling. I soon learned that didn't work until I had better/higher level weapons and better skills. So I tried flanking attacks with Molots and Molot 2s. This worked far better for me and was much more helpful to my team mates. - I upgraded the Molot 2s before the Molots because they dealt more damage and were more effective close up. I switched to punishers for close up and upgraded. - Patience is crucial, probably the most important aspect of using a rhino. Charging at the centre beacon is suicide most of the time. Don't charge head on at a shielded bot, until you have Orkans. Let them come to you, especially if you have punishers. It gives your weapons more time to inflict damage. It also means that they can't get around you or behind you as easily. If necessary back off if you can. I'm not sure if this helps, but it has worked for me. The other thing to bear in mind is that it takes time acquire enough gold to buy an Orkan. While this is a frustration it gives you time to learn how to use your Rhino and upgrade it. Although there is nothing like an Orkan, don't be cautious about trying other weapons. If a weapon isn't working try something else. I'm a big fan of punishers, especially after the buff. You'll read that you shouldn't waste time upgrading punishers because they're not used at the top levels. I'm only at the Gold level but until I have 12/12 robots and Orkans I have to use something, and punishers are the next best option for me. |
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Post by Russel on May 18, 2017 0:31:20 GMT -5
OK, so is the Rhino a dying breed? Well I've just played on Springfield and here's the outcome. Game won. I only used my Rhino (9), Orkan (6) x1, Taran (8) x1, Piñata (9) x2. Taken down 1 Tarancilot and 2 Rajins parked next to each other near the spawn point. I don't know what the Rajins were loaded with but whatever it was had no impact on my Rhino. I did have a Taran/Magnum Griffin with me for the Tarancilot and a Galahad for the Rajins but I don't think the outcome would have been any different without them. I was happy to have them there, but I'm making a point about the Rhino's effectiveness. I don't know the levels of the opposing bots or their weapon levels, but in this game the rhino was king. Give me an 12/12 Orkan Rhino over a 12/12 Tarancilot every time. The Rhino Is Dead, Long Live The Rhino!!!! For the next week or two it is 100% safe to attack any blue Raijin :) Chances are they are from the latest event and has not been upgraded yet. |
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Post by LITu2 on May 18, 2017 2:32:34 GMT -5
Russel, these were red Rajins but you make a good point. What I have found is that quite a few of the bots and weapons I'm facing seem underpowered or not levelled up yet because they were won in the Event. I bought an Orkan during the event and won a stalker and aphid and am having to level them up too. I think once everyone is levelled up the games are going to become quite a bit more interesting and harder to win.
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Post by Alanbit on May 18, 2017 3:25:17 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry about this, as you use it more you'll become a better pilot. Here are some tips that might be helpful: - play differently in the open to maps with lots of cover. In the open try to get from A to B as fast as you can, although stop and check to see if you have a red bot coming towards you. Where there is lots of cover move more slowly and check regularly to see if a red is next to you behind cover or behind you. - where you can keep a wall or cover next to you on one side, it minimises the chance of you being hit on both sides. On Canyon get under the bridge in the centre and sit. Check for reds on the other side of the wall and behind you. On Yamamato start with your Rhino and go straight for the center beacon. Once it's been captured by blues go back and sit at the top of the ramp, so that you are at eye level with the platform but most of your Rhino is below the platform level. This also allows you to scan the walkways on both sides of the centre beacon and return fire to any reds up there. Punishers and molots are useful here as they give you more range than magnums or pinatas. - I upgraded my rhino as fast as possible before upgrading weapons. I know this is not what everyone says, but it worked for me as my rhino lasts longer and goes faster. - Until you have orkans I would put punishers or molots as the light weapons, rather than pinatas or magnums. Magnums are useless against shielded bots and once you have fired your rockets you sit helpless while your pinatas reload. If you miss with the pinatas you have nothing until the next reload. You are able to do some damage past 350m with punishers which pinatas and magnums definitely can't. Your Tarans will work well for knife-fighting. - When I first got my Rhino I loaded it with Tarans and magnums or pinatas, and tried brawling. I soon learned that didn't work until I had better/higher level weapons and better skills. So I tried flanking attacks with Molots and Molot 2s. This worked far better for me and was much more helpful to my team mates. - I upgraded the Molot 2s before the Molots because they dealt more damage and were more effective close up. I switched to punishers for close up and upgraded. - Patience is crucial, probably the most important aspect of using a rhino. Charging at the centre beacon is suicide most of the time. Don't charge head on at a shielded bot, until you have Orkans. Let them come to you, especially if you have punishers. It gives your weapons more time to inflict damage. It also means that they can't get around you or behind you as easily. If necessary back off if you can. I'm not sure if this helps, but it has worked for me. The other thing to bear in mind is that it takes time acquire enough gold to buy an Orkan. While this is a frustration it gives you time to learn how to use your Rhino and upgrade it. Although there is nothing like an Orkan, don't be cautious about trying other weapons. If a weapon isn't working try something else. I'm a big fan of punishers, especially after the buff. You'll read that you shouldn't waste time upgrading punishers because they're not used at the top levels. I'm only at the Gold level but until I have 12/12 robots and Orkans I have to use something, and punishers are the next best option for me. A million thanks for all these tips, really really helpful. I can't way to put them into practice. I'll start upgrading the Rhino a couple of levels, then Molots. I'm saving gold for the fifth slot, so it will take me a while to get both orkans, but it's time I'll need to upgrade my whole hangar, so its alright. Thank you very much for your guidance!! |
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Post by LITu2 on May 18, 2017 6:49:51 GMT -5
A million thanks for all these tips, really really helpful. I can't way to put them into practice. I'll start upgrading the Rhino a couple of levels, then Molots. I'm saving gold for the fifth slot, so it will take me a while to get both orkans, but it's time I'll need to upgrade my whole hangar, so its alright. Thank you very much for your guidance!! It helps to try and take the long view too. If you spend 5 days upgrading your Rhino you're going to get a bit frustrated because you're going to want to upgrade your weapons. But with each upgrade your rhino will move faster, until level 9, and withstand more damage (well last longer). But you'll get better driving it and after the 5 days you'll have a good strong weapons platform to build on. Again I know that perceived wisdom is to upgrade evenly, I can't argue with that, but I try to upgrade one unit, especially all the weapons on that unit rather than a piecemeal upgrade. It all takes time and patience but you'll start finding that your better bots last longer and become more competitive. You'll also find the bots that work best for you and develop your own style. I usually manage to upgrade 2 or 3 weapons on a bot but can't contain myself and start with other upgrades. You will have battles where you lose all your bots, especially with a 4 bot hangar, but once you get to a 5 bot hangar you'll find that more often than not you don't use all your bots. You can still launch an all out attack but stronger bots and weapons means they last longer, and the enemy dies faster and if you start pairing up with other robots, just follow along behind another bot from time to time, you'll see the benefits of teamwork. One last thought, if you have a choice of targets pick red bots that have already been hit and have damage, and also hit them from the side or back if at all possible. Again, I'm not an expert, and although it may sound like I'm a really strong player, I'm just another fan of the game who's trying to get it all together. I still do crazy stuff, like charge headlong into a major brawl, and sometimes I wonder what happened to my 'strong' Rhino! I've also watched YouTube videos of War Robots. There's a guy Adrian who does a commentary and gives his thoughts and opinions on what works. You might also find that helpful. Good luck, maybe we'll end up brawling and you'll whack me! |
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Post by Russel on May 18, 2017 7:24:02 GMT -5
Again I know that perceived wisdom is to upgrade evenly, I can't argue with that, but I try to upgrade one unit, especially all the weapons on that unit rather than a piecemeal upgrade. It all takes time and patience but you'll start finding that your better bots last longer and become more competitive. You'll also find the bots that work best for you and develop your own style. I usually manage to upgrade 2 or 3 weapons on a bot but can't contain myself and start with other upgrades. :) I would say that it is not entirely true. The best strategy (time-wise) is to leave some long updates for the night (ones that are taking 10~15 hours, or 1 day and 10~15 hours, or 2d and 10~15 hours.. you get the idea), while upgrading some short-hours stuff during the day, when you can click to start another update fast. If you click to update something that takes 4 hours before you go to sleep - you will loose whooping 4~6 hours of upgrade time, just idling because you are asleep. |
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Post by Alanbit on May 18, 2017 8:34:40 GMT -5
It helps to try and take the long view too. If you spend 5 days upgrading your Rhino you're going to get a bit frustrated because you're going to want to upgrade your weapons. But with each upgrade your rhino will move faster, until level 9, and withstand more damage (well last longer). But you'll get better driving it and after the 5 days you'll have a good strong weapons platform to build on. Again I know that perceived wisdom is to upgrade evenly, I can't argue with that, but I try to upgrade one unit, especially all the weapons on that unit rather than a piecemeal upgrade. It all takes time and patience but you'll start finding that your better bots last longer and become more competitive. You'll also find the bots that work best for you and develop your own style. I usually manage to upgrade 2 or 3 weapons on a bot but can't contain myself and start with other upgrades. You will have battles where you lose all your bots, especially with a 4 bot hangar, but once you get to a 5 bot hangar you'll find that more often than not you don't use all your bots. You can still launch an all out attack but stronger bots and weapons means they last longer, and the enemy dies faster and if you start pairing up with other robots, just follow along behind another bot from time to time, you'll see the benefits of teamwork. One last thought, if you have a choice of targets pick red bots that have already been hit and have damage, and also hit them from the side or back if at all possible. Again, I'm not an expert, and although it may sound like I'm a really strong player, I'm just another fan of the game who's trying to get it all together. I still do crazy stuff, like charge headlong into a major brawl, and sometimes I wonder what happened to my 'strong' Rhino! I've also watched YouTube videos of War Robots. There's a guy Adrian who does a commentary and gives his thoughts and opinions on what works. You might also find that helpful. Good luck, maybe we'll end up brawling and you'll whack me! Million thanks again, I'll keep all this in mind, I've just started upgrading Molots MK2. And regarding Russel advice, it's what I do, I try to calculate timings so my account does not have any minute iddle without being upgrading anything. I know it will take me a week to have a decent rhino but I'm ready for it. Thank all you guys/gals for all your tips because I REALLY want to play with my rhino and my first impression was quite disappointing. Hope to see you in the battlefield!!! |
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on May 18, 2017 9:22:43 GMT -5
When I started playing this game I decided to save WhoPpers to by a Rhino (I wached an Adrian video delivering death and destruction with a plasma one). Then 2 things happened: 1) I got it 2) Brit Bots overcrowded battles. I had to re-orientate my weaponry to fight against shields. I guess I was not the only one doing this, so when I played with my brand new plasma Rhino it just lasted 1 minute on the field. This happened so often that now its in my inventory, not using it any more. In fact, when I see a red Rhino approaching I can't help but smile and whisper "come to papa (gradually)". It's just only me? Anyone else has put his/her Rhino away? I've bought and sold back two Rhino's. Got the first one when they released it. Hated it.. Sold it for silver.A little while down the road, tried another , thinking maybe the first time it was me and not the Rhinos. Still hated it.. But there is a small contingent of folks that really know how to pilot those beasts. And when you run into one them cats, you're toast Son. |
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Post by Alanbit on May 18, 2017 9:40:04 GMT -5
I've bought and sold back two Rhino's. Got the first one when they released it. Hated it.. Sold it for silver.A little while down the road, tried another , thinking maybe the first time it was me and not the Rhinos. Still hated it.. But there is a small contingent of folks that really know how to pilot those beasts. And when you run into one them cats, you're toast Son. Same here. I'm not selling it because I'm conviced I'm able to have fun with it. The problem is that I still haven't found/learnt how. Not losing hope tho! |
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Post by SATmaster728 on May 18, 2017 10:07:16 GMT -5
OK, so is the Rhino a dying breed? Well I've just played on Springfield and here's the outcome. Game won. I only used my Rhino (9), Orkan (6) x1, Taran (8) x1, Piñata (9) x2. Taken down 1 Tarancilot and 2 Rajins parked next to each other near the spawn point. I don't know what the Rajins were loaded with but whatever it was had no impact on my Rhino. I did have a Taran/Magnum Griffin with me for the Tarancilot and a Galahad for the Rajins but I don't think the outcome would have been any different without them. I was happy to have them there, but I'm making a point about the Rhino's effectiveness. I don't know the levels of the opposing bots or their weapon levels, but in this game the rhino was king. Give me an 12/12 Orkan Rhino over a 12/12 Tarancilot every time. The Rhino Is Dead, Long Live The Rhino!!!! For the next week or two it is 100% safe to attack any blue Raijin Chances are they are from the latest event and has not been upgraded yet. unless a top tier player bought the blue skin and wrecks you... |
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Post by Russel on May 18, 2017 10:19:38 GMT -5
For the next week or two it is 100% safe to attack any blue Raijin :) Chances are they are from the latest event and has not been upgraded yet. unless a top tier player bought the blue skin and wrecks you... Well, I am not a racist, so I can't see a reason for experienced and layer to spend 750 Au to change skin color :-D And I'm not wearing tinfoil hat, so I believe not in trickery THAT big, either )) |
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Post by SATmaster728 on May 18, 2017 10:51:02 GMT -5
unless a top tier player bought the blue skin and wrecks you... Well, I am not a racist, so I can't see a reason for experienced and layer to spend 750 Au to change skin color :-D And I'm not wearing tinfoil hat, so I believe not in trickery THAT big, either )) gold does get less important when you get higher. |
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Post by Russel on May 18, 2017 11:08:51 GMT -5
Well, I am not a racist, so I can't see a reason for experienced and layer to spend 750 Au to change skin color :-D And I'm not wearing tinfoil hat, so I believe not in trickery THAT big, either )) gold does get less important when you get higher. Why not spend it speeding up upgrades? |
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Post by SGT D00M! on May 19, 2017 2:03:17 GMT -5
Rhino is moving up on my list. Used right it can set the stage for a victory on over half the maps. Carnage is just too slow and squishy for a good ambush bot since it's ancile is always on and marks it as a target for every plasma bot on red. I got pretty good at killing them in a pinata Leo even. Ironically carnage will often kill a rhino one on one, but I find they just contribute less to the team overall.
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Post by Alanbit on May 19, 2017 3:06:25 GMT -5
I don't know if it's my impression or what, but lately I'm seeing more Rhinos in my battles than by the time I started this post  You people are awesome at campaigning!  |
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Post by BLYTHE on May 19, 2017 4:18:58 GMT -5
I don't see them too often anymore.
But this thread has caused me to dust mine off. I must say I missed the old girl and she outdid herself on the Moon with a pair of nasty lvl 11 orkans obliterating plasmahads and griffs. I swear I could see them mouthing "WTH, is that a rhino?" I've forgotten how tough her shield is!
Sadly though, I would put her usefulness slightly above that of a Leo. And while there are maps where the rhino could excel on, I agree that its success tends to be situational.
I wouldn't say she's obsolete but she qualifies as a fun-fifth-slot bot (say that 3 times fast).
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Post by Russel on May 19, 2017 5:32:03 GMT -5
I don't see them too often anymore. But this thread has caused me to dust mine off. I must say I missed the old girl and she outdid herself on the Moon with a pair of nasty lvl 11 orkans obliterating plasmahads and griffs. I swear I could see them mouthing "WTH, is that a rhino?" I've forgotten how tough her shield is! Sadly though, I would put her usefulness slightly above that of a Leo. And while there are maps where the rhino could excel on, I agree that its success tends to be situational. I wouldn't say she's obsolete but she qualifies as a fun-fifth-slot bot (say that 3 times fast). 11 Orkan, ouch. I've just got my first Orkans from the event, and at lvl6 they are doable. I just wonder what havoc can you wreck with 11... |
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Post by SATmaster728 on May 19, 2017 10:04:28 GMT -5
I don't see them too often anymore. But this thread has caused me to dust mine off. I must say I missed the old girl and she outdid herself on the Moon with a pair of nasty lvl 11 orkans obliterating plasmahads and griffs. I swear I could see them mouthing "WTH, is that a rhino?" I've forgotten how tough her shield is! Sadly though, I would put her usefulness slightly above that of a Leo. And while there are maps where the rhino could excel on, I agree that its success tends to be situational. I wouldn't say she's obsolete but she qualifies as a fun-fifth-slot bot (say that 3 times fast). 11 Orkan, ouch. I've just got my first Orkans from the event, and at lvl6 they are doable. I just wonder what havoc can you wreck with 11... great it rhino is coming back, my orkan rog shreds them. |
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Post by Russel on May 19, 2017 10:13:31 GMT -5
11 Orkan, ouch. I've just got my first Orkans from the event, and at lvl6 they are doable. I just wonder what havoc can you wreck with 11... great it rhino is coming back, my orkan rog shreds them. Well, not if my TuluDoc is around :) Then I get to shred Rhino |
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Post by Insane Demon on May 19, 2017 10:23:18 GMT -5
The #1 Legend (in my server?) uses a Rhino.
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Post by arakos on May 19, 2017 10:47:38 GMT -5
The #1 Legend (in my server?) uses a Rhino. Jekyll&MrHyde is a LQ "legend" Three Garys, Galahad and Rhino. 1,7 bots killed per game, 258k damage per game. Pathetic legend indeed. Arakos |
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Post by Insane Demon on May 19, 2017 10:52:56 GMT -5
The #1 Legend (in my server?) uses a Rhino. Jekyll&MrHyde is a LQ "legend" Three Garys, Galahad and Rhino. 1,7 bots killed per game, 258k damage per game. Pathetic legend indeed. Arakos  |
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Post by arakos on May 19, 2017 11:17:28 GMT -5
Grrrrrrr
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you're able to pick off a couple of red bots, especially heavies attacking in the centre, because they're focussed on their attack and have no time to scan the horizon to look for who's hitting them. When they do realize where you are and come at you, provided you've got some cover you can draw the attackers off the centre and on to you, often 3 or 4 bots which then allows the rest of your team to grab the centre beacon. I'm thinking particularly of Canyon here.
