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Post by arakos on May 12, 2017 9:27:57 GMT -5
The rockets buff won't help rhinos at all...
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on May 12, 2017 10:26:38 GMT -5
the new dash bots might be meta-breaking. escecially the so-called light version. For how they have been described (I don't go to teh test server), they will make triple zeus furies and,, less so, plasma griffins more popular. |
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Post by Alanbit on May 13, 2017 3:27:12 GMT -5
Yesterday I played some battles with my rhino, just giving it a chance, and the result was quite good, but it really really has problems going backwards. When shield is up in assault mode you can't do anything but sloooooooooowly twist or go forward, but if you want to step back a couple of meters you must lower the shield, thus welcoming death...
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Post by hyderier on May 13, 2017 4:37:01 GMT -5
Yesterday I played some battles with my rhino, just giving it a chance, and the result was quite good, but it really really has problems going backwards. When shield is up in assault mode you can't do anything but sloooooooooowly twist or go forward, but if you want to step back a couple of meters you must lower the shield, thus welcoming death... Most players need to play dozens, even hundreds of games with Rhino, before they learn to not go too far with shield up, or when exactly to lower the shield and when to bring it back up, or when to wait and when to charge... And you can learn it only by playing and dying, because in the heat of the battle there is no time to think. One false twitch of finger over the shield button at wrong time, and you take tens of thousands more damage from dual Tarans of a Lance straight to the face, for example. |
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Post by Russel on May 13, 2017 5:12:15 GMT -5
Okay, I did not read this thread, but I've done search for "molot" and haven't found one, so I'll shoot:
Why are you guys insist of using bots only one way and then pretending it's "of no use anymore"? Rhino is AWESOME long-range support, all-molot on Yamantau, Springfield, Canyon.
Put shield on, reload, scrap off those Trebs and Zeus.
Reload finished - shield off, shoot.
Way better than Moffin (MOlot griFFIN)
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Post by Alanbit on May 13, 2017 6:03:11 GMT -5
Okay, I did not read this thread, but I've done search for "molot" and haven't found one, so I'll shoot: Why are you guys insist of using bots only one way and then pretending it's "of no use anymore"? Rhino is AWESOME long-range support, all-molot on Yamantau, Springfield, Canyon. Put shield on, reload, scrap off those Trebs and Zeus. Reload finished - shield off, shoot. Way better than Moffin (MOlot griFFIN) You have a point and blame me because it's my fault. I opened this thread from the point of view of MY playing style, as hyderier said, It takes me a lot to adapt Rhino to my gameplay. I tend to give one more step forward than I had to and usually die in a sudden. Alternative uses of Rhino robot, as you described, are perfectly valid and enrich this thread, so thanks for your opinion, I'll give it a try!! |
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Post by Russel on May 13, 2017 6:53:51 GMT -5
Okay, I did not read this thread, but I've done search for "molot" and haven't found one, so I'll shoot: Why are you guys insist of using bots only one way and then pretending it's "of no use anymore"? Rhino is AWESOME long-range support, all-molot on Yamantau, Springfield, Canyon. Put shield on, reload, scrap off those Trebs and Zeus. Reload finished - shield off, shoot. Way better than Moffin (MOlot griFFIN) You have a point and blame me because it's my fault. I opened this thread from the point of view of MY playing style, as hyderier said, It takes me a lot to adapt Rhino to my gameplay. I tend to give one more step forward than I had to and usually die in a sudden. Alternative uses of Rhino robot, as you described, are perfectly valid and enrich this thread, so thanks for your opinion, I'll give it a try!! Oh, and another funny usage - it's Spiral\Hydra =) Overall, think of Rhino like you think of Griffin. Minus the jump, plus the ability to catch a breath in a heat of a battle. It is NOT by any means "unbreakable fortress", it is usual bot with a "place to hide during reload", so to say. |
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on May 15, 2017 4:36:31 GMT -5
Okay, I did not read this thread, but I've done search for "molot" and haven't found one, so I'll shoot: Why are you guys insist of using bots only one way and then pretending it's "of no use anymore"? Rhino is AWESOME long-range support, all-molot on Yamantau, Springfield, Canyon. Put shield on, reload, scrap off those Trebs and Zeus. Reload finished - shield off, shoot. Way better than Moffin (MOlot griFFIN) Tried and not really that awesome. As soon as the reds realize it's a Rhino, it immediately becomes a homing beacon for all the RDB Griffins (lss frequently, DB ones) and TT furies on map and generally of anyone equipped with long range splash weapons, since they know you cannot jump their salvoes away and your rotating speed is slow or null. I don't think I've ever gone farther than second reload, plus it's unwieldy in half the maps (dead city, powerplant, moon) as it takes forever to get in an useful position, as you cannot jump to get a shooting position from above, which makes the "moffin" vaguely usable even in maps without much open space. So, again in my experience, nope. |
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Post by Russel on May 15, 2017 4:55:04 GMT -5
Okay, I did not read this thread, but I've done search for "molot" and haven't found one, so I'll shoot: Why are you guys insist of using bots only one way and then pretending it's "of no use anymore"? Rhino is AWESOME long-range support, all-molot on Yamantau, Springfield, Canyon. Put shield on, reload, scrap off those Trebs and Zeus. Reload finished - shield off, shoot. Way better than Moffin (MOlot griFFIN) Tried and not really that awesome. As soon as the reds realize it's a Rhino, it immediately becomes a homing beacon for all the RDB Griffins (lss frequently, DB ones) and TT furies on map and generally of anyone equipped with long range splash weapons, since they know you cannot jump their salvoes away and your rotating speed is slow or null. I don't think I've ever gone farther than second reload, plus it's unwieldy in half the maps (dead city, powerplant, moon) as it takes forever to get in an useful position, as you cannot jump to get a shooting position from above, which makes the "moffin" vaguely usable even in maps without much open space. So, again in my experience, nope. Hmm, actually I am successful at using Molot Griff on Yamantay, Canyon, Shenzhen, and for the most part I am trying to be at ~700 meters. Never been hunted by Trident\RDB; For the most part it's Carange who is trying to get at me while i'm on reload. And yet, jump back helps a lot against such stuff; but for the most part I am shot down by another molot or trebuchet. Honestly, I have not played molot Rhino on a live server yet, but I am intend to, as soon as I upgrade it :-D But for now, I take your word for it, Rhino is less usable than Griffin on shorter maps :( And my Griffin is somewhat usable with it's lvl9 Molots even in close fights against Fujin\Carnage\Medium bots. |
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Post by rustedscrap on May 15, 2017 15:23:28 GMT -5
I think theyre actually making a comeback. I run one in my hangar and i encounter them way more often now than i used to.
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Post by rustedscrap on May 15, 2017 15:25:29 GMT -5
Okay, I did not read this thread, but I've done search for "molot" and haven't found one, so I'll shoot: Why are you guys insist of using bots only one way and then pretending it's "of no use anymore"? Rhino is AWESOME long-range support, all-molot on Yamantau, Springfield, Canyon. Put shield on, reload, scrap off those Trebs and Zeus. Reload finished - shield off, shoot. Way better than Moffin (MOlot griFFIN) You have a point and blame me because it's my fault. I opened this thread from the point of view of MY playing style, as hyderier said, It takes me a lot to adapt Rhino to my gameplay. I tend to give one more step forward than I had to and usually die in a sudden. Alternative uses of Rhino robot, as you described, are perfectly valid and enrich this thread, so thanks for your opinion, I'll give it a try!! Ive also seen tulu/pin rhinos used to good effect. Especially guarding center beacon on canyon and moon. |
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Post by Alanbit on May 16, 2017 3:32:51 GMT -5
Ive also seen tulu/pin rhinos used to good effect. Especially guarding center beacon on canyon and moon. I'll give it a try too, but I'll do it when they apply the missile upgrade, can't wait for it. |
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Post by carnage on May 16, 2017 3:39:47 GMT -5
Problem of Rhino is that it's just not worth the cost.
* Acquisition : 15'000 WSP => 7M of silver.
* Upgrade to level 6 => 870'000 silver.
So a level 6 Rhino costs close to 8M while you can get a Griffin for 1.7M.
Something does not compute, if you ask me.
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Post by Alanbit on May 16, 2017 3:50:21 GMT -5
Problem of Rhino is that it's just not worth the cost.
* Acquisition : 15'000 WSP => 7M of silver.
* Upgrade to level 6 => 870'000 silver.
So a level 6 Rhino costs close to 8M while you can get a Griffin for 1.7M.
Something does not compute, if you ask me.
That came to my mind too. I mean, it took me ages to save enough WP to buy my Rhino, and I got a crippled version of Griffin with a shield. Definitely they have to do something with Rhino's movement, it needs to have "something else" than a silver Griffin. |
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Post by carnage on May 16, 2017 4:08:19 GMT -5
I think buffing seriously the health would be a start.
I mean, level 6, 118k is really not that much. It's basically the same as a Griffin.
Sure you have the shield, but the lack of mobility allow enemy to easily go around it anyway, not to mention missiles. Not to mention you can't fire mediums with shields on so you usually stay under heavy fire without a possibility to fire back.
Very underwhelming robot.
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Post by Russel on May 16, 2017 4:20:10 GMT -5
Problem of Rhino is that it's just not worth the cost.
* Acquisition : 15'000 WSP => 7M of silver.
* Upgrade to level 6 => 870'000 silver.
So a level 6 Rhino costs close to 8M while you can get a Griffin for 1.7M.
Something does not compute, if you ask me.
<nerd mode=on> Actually, it is 6.5M. To be exact - 6,537,480 Silver and 28 days You might want to take daily free WP into account <nerd mode=off> However I agree that it is not worth the money. |
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Post by Russel on May 16, 2017 4:22:23 GMT -5
Sorry, couldn't help myself but post this  |
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Post by carnage on May 16, 2017 4:44:48 GMT -5
Problem of Rhino is that it's just not worth the cost.
* Acquisition : 15'000 WSP => 7M of silver.
* Upgrade to level 6 => 870'000 silver.
So a level 6 Rhino costs close to 8M while you can get a Griffin for 1.7M.
Something does not compute, if you ask me.
<nerd mode=on> Actually, it is 6.5M. To be exact - 6,537,480 Silver and 28 days You might want to take daily free WP into account <nerd mode=off> However I agree that it is not worth the money. Yeah and at first, you also have some free WSP once in a while, as the WS gains levels.
But let's say a Rhino is worth over 7M if we include upgrade to level 6 (I am taking it as a reference because silver heavies come at level 6).
It's still much much more than a Griffin, when the Griffin is probably the better robot of the two anyway. Just doesn't make sense.
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Post by Russel on May 16, 2017 4:59:04 GMT -5
<nerd mode=on> Actually, it is 6.5M. To be exact - 6,537,480 Silver and 28 days You might want to take daily free WP into account <nerd mode=off> However I agree that it is not worth the money. Yeah and at first, you also have some free WSP once in a while, as the WS gains levels.
But let's say a Rhino is worth over 7M if we include upgrade to level 6 (I am taking it as a reference because silver heavies come at level 6).
It's still much much more than a Griffin, when the Griffin is probably the better robot of the two anyway. Just doesn't make sense.
Yeah, as I said, it is pretty expensive. I would say that out of all WP bots only Stalker and Carnage worth it's price in Silver. But every WP weapon is pretty good, and that's why I think entire WP lineup must be buffed/nerfed reasonably. Not just bots or weapons. |
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on May 16, 2017 7:56:16 GMT -5
Carnage
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Post by LITu2 on May 16, 2017 9:08:51 GMT -5
I'm at Gold level. I know the Rhino is a difficult beast to master but in a 1 v 1 game I'd choose a Rhino before a griffin, leo, carnage, any of the spider bots or anything in the medium or light range, except maybe a Galahad. A Rhino will hold the Centre beacon far better than most other bots provided it's not getting shot up from the side.
I bought my first Orkan the other day and am busy leveling it up. It makes a huge difference in in close fights and makes the Rhino much more competitive.
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Post by Alanbit on May 16, 2017 9:38:49 GMT -5
I'm at Gold level. I know the Rhino is a difficult beast to master but in a 1 v 1 game I'd choose a Rhino before a griffin, leo, carnage, any of the spider bots or anything in the medium or light range, except maybe a Galahad. A Rhino will hold the Centre beacon far better than most other bots provided it's not getting shot up from the side. I bought my first Orkan the other day and am busy leveling it up. It makes a huge difference in in close fights and makes the Rhino much more competitive. That's the main problem I have with the Rhino, due to my lack of pilot skills, I almost always am flanked by someone and kills me in a sudden. Orkans is what I aim for, becouse in order to approach the enemy, shield on, you can't use your middle weapons (brit robots don't have this problem), and when I lower my shield I NEED to deal as much damage as possible ASAP. Due to my weapons level (7-8) tarans take too long to damage the enemy enough. |
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Post by maxboxer on May 16, 2017 9:45:17 GMT -5
My rhino is lev10 whith 8/8 orks/mags....he does His dirty jobs every game....
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Post by shivaswrath on May 16, 2017 9:53:17 GMT -5
They are easy to kill with Lancelots.
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Post by shivaswrath on May 16, 2017 10:26:07 GMT -5
Okay, I did not read this thread, but I've done search for "molot" and haven't found one, so I'll shoot: Why are you guys insist of using bots only one way and then pretending it's "of no use anymore"? Rhino is AWESOME long-range support, all-molot on Yamantau, Springfield, Canyon. Put shield on, reload, scrap off those Trebs and Zeus. Reload finished - shield off, shoot. Way better than Moffin (MOlot griFFIN) that's a very specific, low damage, long range option. |
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Post by Russel on May 16, 2017 10:36:01 GMT -5
Okay, I did not read this thread, but I've done search for "molot" and haven't found one, so I'll shoot: Why are you guys insist of using bots only one way and then pretending it's "of no use anymore"? Rhino is AWESOME long-range support, all-molot on Yamantau, Springfield, Canyon. Put shield on, reload, scrap off those Trebs and Zeus. Reload finished - shield off, shoot. Way better than Moffin (MOlot griFFIN) that's a very specific, low damage, long range option. Well, the only true enemy is Trebuchet Fury. Oh, and Doc now, too. You can chew up Zeus, Trident, Tulumbas, Thunder pretty good. And Anciles are just disappearing in a matter of seconds, as well as Gepard\Jesse\Aphid Pattons. |
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Post by rustedscrap on May 16, 2017 10:46:44 GMT -5
My rhino does what i need him to do. Move fast to a contested beacon, Bring lots of firepower, and kill ?poo-poo?... hes usually dies a quick death shortly after. More often than not after the job is done. Its a dirty job but one hes capable of doing. Ive found rhinos work really well at center beacon on moon map.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on May 16, 2017 14:38:26 GMT -5
My rhino does what i need him to do. Move fast to a contested beacon, Bring lots of firepower, and kill ?poo-poo?... hes usually dies a quick death shortly after. More often than not after the job is done. Its a dirty job but one hes capable of doing. Ive found rhinos work really well at center beacon on moon map. You should try doing this on a Ancilot. Sure it is slower but you can hold that beacon a lot longer. |
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Post by rustedscrap on May 16, 2017 15:33:38 GMT -5
My rhino does what i need him to do. Move fast to a contested beacon, Bring lots of firepower, and kill ?poo-poo?... hes usually dies a quick death shortly after. More often than not after the job is done. Its a dirty job but one hes capable of doing. Ive found rhinos work really well at center beacon on moon map. You should try doing this on a Ancilot. Sure it is slower but you can hold that beacon a lot longer. i actually run two lances a taran ancilot and a thunder orkan. Also a tulu doc, trident butch and the above mentioned rhino in a hell fire config. I run the rhino when i gotta get to a beacon fast. Its usually my last bot i run. |
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Post by solarflare87 on May 16, 2017 15:48:35 GMT -5
A DB Rhino is an almost permanent member of my hangar. I have all the bots but a Butch and Stalker, so it's not a placeholder for some future upgrade. After the long learning curve it took to really understand the bot, I've come to really rely on the methods and effectiveness of the Rhino. I'm considering buying a second one here shortly, to run with Plasma or Molots.
Side note: my first Rhino build was RDB, but shortly after, I switched to Molots and absolutely loved that setup! My molots haven't been leveled in forever so atm they're all but useless, but I've been dreaming about getting them back into the fray.
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