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Post by farchi1 on Nov 28, 2016 23:28:36 GMT -5
Is it me or does the quad aphid Patton make powerplant and dead city so dull to play? You can rack up hundreds of damage points taken without ever seeing the player as they don't get involved in the battle but stay behind cover sending salvo after salvo. Simply a case of waiting for a target to get under 350m and firing. In my opinion it's something only really boring players do. Now the aphid accuracy has been sorted out they've become the worst part of the game, homing, high damage, quick reload. Some balancing needs to be done - let me know I'm not the only one thinking this
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Post by boomsplat on Nov 29, 2016 0:16:42 GMT -5
The aphid Patton is ruining the game! Pixonics must nerf the Patton and the Aphid immediately.
Hey Farchi1.....I couldn't resist with that rant which is typically directed at mag-geps or aphid geps.
The buff of the aphid has changed the gameplay on those maps And I'm betting pix will tweak the aphid accuracy level back a bit....but it has brought a new dimension of having to go chase those bomb throwers and kill them as they are good at wiping out the slow heavy bots in rather short order. The Patton in my mind has always been a bit of a stand off platform as it is too fragile for knife fighting....the aphid has given it a new lease on life. Now opponents can't just saunter along....you have to keep moving and looking for cover while trying to advance and kill the aphids as a team. But Patton aphid drivers are dead meat if they let red bots get too close so they need support from their team to stay alive. For me, I don't find it boring, I find you have to change your tactics when pix changes something in order to counter the new buffed item. If you keep running into it in matches, maybe you need a faster knife fighter bot to track em down and kill it. Heavy slow bots won't survive the 350m march.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 3:34:50 GMT -5
Which tier are you playing in?
Aphid Pattons are smart bombs indeed, but they are also slow, easy to identify and pretty soft...
The problem with Aphids seems more that atm every light hardpoint becomes an Aphid hardpoint (and I dont have much reason to switch back to Mags on a Galahad or a Rhino... except Stalkers maybe) from Gold Tier on.
Some sort of Nerf would be ok for me....
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 29, 2016 3:41:46 GMT -5
Which tier are you playing in? Aphid Pattons are smart bombs indeed, but they are also slow, easy to identify and pretty soft... The problem with Aphids seems more that atm every light hardpoint becomes an Aphid hardpoint (and I dont have much reason to switch back to Mags on a Galahad or a Rhino... except Stalkers maybe) from Gold Tier on. Some sort of Nerf would be ok for me.... eh, I prefer using my Galahads as pure plasma platforms. Sure aphids work well for taking out big bots, but only 2 aphids simply takes too long. As a plasma platform the galahad can take on griffins (except for those damn RDB Griffins, stay away from those  ) stalkers, and other Galahads. As an aphid platform it can take on lancelots, rhinos, griffins and dumb galahad pilots, but rather slowly. I think for taking out those chunky missile heavies it's much easier and faster to do with a deathbutton loadout if your preference, aphids are good, but they seem to do better when they are either supported by other heavy firepower weapons, or used in 3-4's. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 4:02:09 GMT -5
Which tier are you playing in? Aphid Pattons are smart bombs indeed, but they are also slow, easy to identify and pretty soft... The problem with Aphids seems more that atm every light hardpoint becomes an Aphid hardpoint (and I dont have much reason to switch back to Mags on a Galahad or a Rhino... except Stalkers maybe) from Gold Tier on. Some sort of Nerf would be ok for me.... eh, I prefer using my Galahads as pure plasma platforms. Sure aphids work well for taking out big bots, but only 2 aphids simply takes too long. As a plasma platform the galahad can take on griffins (except for those damn RDB Griffins, stay away from those ) stalkers, and other Galahads. As an aphid platform it can take on lancelots, rhinos, griffins and dumb galahad pilots, but rather slowly. I think for taking out those chunky missile heavies it's much easier and faster to do with a deathbutton loadout if your preference, aphids are good, but they seem to do better when they are either supported by other heavy firepower weapons, or used in 3-4's. I run Aphids/ Orkan on my Galahad. I usually use him as starter bot, so he ran into other Gareths/ Galahads quite frequently, resulting in a Plasma duel of uselessness. This setup solved the problem for me  Aphids are also great for defending positions because they can be lobbed over cover or ramps - and that flying circle of death adds a nice psychological barrier... |
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Post by yhondeh on Nov 29, 2016 4:13:59 GMT -5
I run Aphids/ Orkan on my Galahad. I usually use him as starter bot, so he ran into other Gareths/ Galahads quite frequently, resulting in a Plasma duel of uselessness. This setup solved the problem for me Aphids are also great for defending positions because they can be lobbed over cover or ramps - and that flying circle of death adds a nice psychological barrier... I also run Aphid/Orkan Galahad in addition to plasma Galahad. Aphid/Orkan combo doesn't work always, but in some situations, it works great. I still think Aphid needs a little damage debuff though. Example of Aphid/Orkan ruining people's day. (from 2:40 mark) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 19:20:21 GMT -5
The Patton needs a nerf? Its slow as heck and doesnt last long. Learn to play better. I am finding Aphids easier to dodge in Geps, and even heavies. Think it may be a function of the targeting system not staying locked on a bot within the horizontal range ans switching over to another. Not sure how the Aphid could be considered so bad, and the Spiral harmless (almost 2x the range). Sounds like people dont want to get better, just want it easy. Maybe you are just a dull player period.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 30, 2016 12:08:57 GMT -5
Seriously, and I mean this with all respect... being dull is expecting the game to stay the same and not adapting to it when it changes. Aphids are NOT the scourge of the battlefield. Just stay close to walls, pay attention to what is going on around you, and dodge left or right if you hear that sound. Faster bots are almost impervious to Aphids if you are moving. Take the time to figure out how to beat them before calling for another freaking nerf. We needed a new weapon that was able to compete with the Plasma/Short Range Splash/Trident monopoly, and Aphids do that quite nicely. Oh, and let me lay down some truth for ya... One does NOT just sit behind a wall and shoot with Aphids, especially in a Patton, or you will die. You have to keep moving and stay aware of everything around you. In fact, the best way to play the Patton Aphid is as a support/escort bot for a true knife fighter... the Patton just dies too easily and is too slow to stay away from any competent knifer driver... IMO. It needs a mutually supportive friend to make enough of an impact. That quick reload time is nice, but at 350m, it is nothing for a Lance or Carn to activate Rush, or a Jumping bot to jump at you, or a Rhino to up shield and charge, or a Gala/Gareth to drop shield and sprint, or a Stalker stealth up and stalk you... and get in the zone to kill you. Yes, the Aphid Patton can kick some major tail... but a pilot needs to be pretty dang skilled to use it, and to be good at it means that they are probably not having a dull experience, as they wouldn't have gotten good at it if they thought it was boring. It may look boring... but they are prolly elating over the damage they are racking up if they can get kills in a Patton and survive for a few minutes. Either way, it's just an opinion and a rant... and you are entitled to yours...  Have a great day and see you on the fields of battle! |
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Post by Curry Pot on Dec 2, 2016 0:24:10 GMT -5
You can easily counter aphids by moving behind cover or moving perpendicular to the direction the Aphids are coming from if caught out in the open. Even in the open with slower bots, you can usually avoid most (but probably not all) of the aphid attack as long as you don't stop and aren't moving directly towards or away from the launcher, and even Leos and Griffins can manage it, not to mention that low cover can stop the aphids completely if you are close enough. IMO the aphid is not broken and does not ruin the PP and DC experience, since there is so much high cover on those maps that makes it difficult for aphids to hit.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 2, 2016 2:01:16 GMT -5
You can easily counter aphids by moving behind cover or moving perpendicular to the direction the Aphids are coming from if caught out in the open. Even in the open with slower bots, you can usually avoid most (but probably not all) of the aphid attack as long as you don't stop and aren't moving directly towards or away from the launcher, and even Leos and Griffins can manage it, not to mention that low cover can stop the aphids completely if you are close enough. IMO the aphid is not broken and does not ruin the PP and DC experience, since there is so much high cover on those maps that makes it difficult for aphids to hit. aphids are definitely hard to deal with atm. Either reduce the damage or increase reload time and they would be a little more balanced. Reload time is probably better. |
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Post by SuperHero on Dec 2, 2016 2:36:21 GMT -5
I don't use much aphids, and while they can hurt, I don't think they are ruining the game. like any weapon, there are counters to them. Just learn them. It's part of the process...
This is definitely nowhere near the size of the problem faced by bronzies who are being clubbed by mag geps.
#bronzesealsmatter
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Post by Neg0Pander on Dec 2, 2016 9:20:44 GMT -5
When i bought aphids for my patton i thought I'd clean house with it, but its actually much more tricky to use than youd think. Just getting into position is tough sometimes. Its just another glass cannon.
Aphid geps are the real danger.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Dec 3, 2016 21:31:33 GMT -5
You've obviously never had to avoid a whole team while doing so. At some point people get really mad and you are target number one. Nothing dull there, I can tell you that.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 3, 2016 21:43:32 GMT -5
You've obviously never had to avoid a whole team while doing so. At some point people get really mad and you are target number one. Nothing dull there, I can tell you that. you are very right. Using aphids on a Patton actually requires extremely good awareness, as if anyone comes up on you, you don't have the instant firepower to take them out. A suppressive yet fragile setup. |
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Post by War Child on Dec 4, 2016 0:09:20 GMT -5
So umm....farchi,have you ever met a TT fury before?Although I dont want to hijack and say TT furys should be nerfed(if anything,I dont want anything to be nerfed,except lil gepardo)but aphids are premium weapons so is the fury.So of course they should kick major butt.As for patton,I want him buffed,his way too glassy.
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Post by xwumingx on Dec 5, 2016 22:29:00 GMT -5
   And idiots like these are running rampage in HB/Last Stand spoiling the games for many new players who don't know what hit them. there should be a weapon lvl cap for Silver tier, new players starting to move up towards 4/8 on mid bots have no chance at all |
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Post by Neg0Pander on Dec 6, 2016 0:09:59 GMT -5
And idiots like these are running rampage in HB/Last Stand spoiling the games for many new players who don't know what hit them. there should be a weapon lvl cap for Silver tier, new players starting to move up towards 4/8 on mid bots have no chance at all Welcome to the forum... |
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) stalkers, and other Galahads. As an aphid platform it can take on lancelots, rhinos, griffins and dumb galahad pilots, but rather slowly. I think for taking out those chunky missile heavies it's much easier and faster to do with a deathbutton loadout if your preference, aphids are good, but they seem to do better when they are either supported by other heavy firepower weapons, or used in 3-4's.
