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Post by Sebenza 21 on May 16, 2017 19:52:47 GMT -5
Most of you are old timers... I am new. I never played the old MM. I don't know what LQ is. But I do know if 2 teammates quit and its 4v6 I quit too. Why wouldn't you? If it's late in the match. And it's 3v6 and an obvious loss I quit. Why not? I don't know how to check enemy hangers or spot map specific hangers. But if I new there was a guy with 12/12 bots on the other team I would quit. I am sick of seeing these guys put out a million damage. I have level 5-10 weapons. An average of 8 but get 10/10 to 12/12 hangers on my teams. When I pull out the Leo I am building with level 5 weapons and stand against a Leo with level 10 weapons I get evaporated. I get spawn trapped by big tanks a lot. My rockets aren't strong enough to kill a bot in 2 volleys. I always lose to shield bots when I have no team because my rockets are to weak and you can't run or flank with no cover. They just walk you down like the terminator and wait in the spawn to seal club me. I refuse to dump money into this game. But the grind is rediculas. I do my missions each day and will wait a couple months for my hanger to catch up to my league.... Then maybe I will start playing again. What! Why would you? You're missing the chance to earn silver. You might miss your chance to be in the face of that Rhino as he drops his shield. Missing out on being able to sing as you earn those damage points. Shot down in a blaze of glory Take me now but know the truth I'm going out in a blaze of glory Bon Jovi ?female dog?es
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Post by Sebenza 21 on May 16, 2017 20:01:02 GMT -5
Most of you are old timers... I am new. I never played the old MM. I don't know what LQ is. But I do know if 2 teammates quit and its 4v6 I quit too. Why wouldn't you? If it's late in the match. And it's 3v6 and an obvious loss I quit. Why not? I don't know how to check enemy hangers or spot map specific hangers. But if I new there was a guy with 12/12 bots on the other team I would quit. I am sick of seeing these guys put out a million damage. I have level 5-10 weapons. An average of 8 but get 10/10 to 12/12 hangers on my teams. When I pull out the Leo I am building with level 5 weapons and stand against a Leo with level 10 weapons I get evaporated. I get spawn trapped by big tanks a lot. My rockets aren't strong enough to kill a bot in 2 volleys. I always lose to shield bots when I have no team because my rockets are to weak and you can't run or flank with no cover. They just walk you down like the terminator and wait in the spawn to seal club me. I refuse to dump money into this game. But the grind is rediculas. I do my missions each day and will wait a couple months for my hanger to catch up to my league.... Then maybe I will start playing again. What! Why would you? You're missing the chance to earn silver. You might miss your chance to be in the face of that Rhino as he drops his shield. Missing out on being able to sing as you earn those damage points. Shot down in a blaze of glory Take me now but know the truth I'm going out in a blaze of glory Bon Jovi ?female dog?es
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Post by Sebenza 21 on May 16, 2017 20:13:48 GMT -5
Short cut all you want, but as a reasonably advanced player I can tell you I've learned more skill in adversity than I have in triumph. I was a play tester for the original Xbox. I worked for Microsoft. 1 overpowered bot can win an entire match. Happens more often than not. This isn't a million points.... But I round up. 860,000 is close enough. I had a good team working together. But 1 big guy on the other team destroyed us all. I call BS on 12/12 bots in my MM. Learn how to beat them. It can be done. Squad with guys in a higher league than you for practice, when you run into them in solo play you'll cope much better.
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Post by lumpybump on May 16, 2017 20:53:40 GMT -5
I'm too wasted to read all three pages but what I don't get is why moderation didn't lock this thread when tanking is against forum agenda. I had a thread deleted ~two months ago where I ran a SCIENTIFIC experiment in the LQ.
Oh, I know how to get a thread locked, I just need to say something about Trump and Russia and some kind of conspiracy. I also said some things I'm still proud of but can't find about "the game" and how seriously one takes it. How about this, Trump has nothing better to do with his mouth than be a 「wee-wee」 holster for Putin? What someone used that already? !?!
Tomorrow I will read the whole thread and hopefully no one will have quoted me so I can delete all the stupid 「dookie」 I said and then reply with something snappy.
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Post by DIeGo100% on May 16, 2017 21:24:00 GMT -5
You say 5th slot is a must... 5th slot scares me. I will just get moved to an even higher league. That's the last thing I need. Actually, no. Slot has nothing to do with the leagues. Let me put it this way: have you ever wanted to get several bots to choose from by the start of the match? Like, three knifers, two snipers, several supports, beacon capper? Well, fifth slot can help you with that. You can have dedicated sniper in those slot, and use it only on Yama/Springfield. Or a pure beacon runner Stalker. You don't need to use all the 5 bots, it just gives you options. Oh, and on your situation with 12/12 bot on center beacon - why do you think you need to take center? Go to their home spawn, there are two beacons. And if this guy is sitting on center - this means that only 5 of reds can defend home beacons, so you got advantage there. That is exactly what I mean (and, possibly, Dredd) by: you need to learn from lost games, because there are nothing that can be learned from victories. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」? nothing can be learned from victories? i learned a lot from victories
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Post by adrenachrome on May 16, 2017 21:25:33 GMT -5
You say 5th slot is a must... 5th slot scares me. I will just get moved to an even higher league. That's the last thing I need. Actually, no. Slot has nothing to do with the leagues. Let me put it this way: have you ever wanted to get several bots to choose from by the start of the match? Like, three knifers, two snipers, several supports, beacon capper? Well, fifth slot can help you with that. You can have dedicated sniper in those slot, and use it only on Yama/Springfield. Or a pure beacon runner Stalker. You don't need to use all the 5 bots, it just gives you options. Oh, and on your situation with 12/12 bot on center beacon - why do you think you need to take center? Go to their home spawn, there are two beacons. And if this guy is sitting on center - this means that only 5 of reds can defend home beacons, so you got advantage there. That is exactly what I mean (and, possibly, Dredd) by: you need to learn from lost games, because there are nothing that can be learned from victories. 5th slot means I will win more and be in a higher league. Pay attention. And if I have 3 teammates engaging the big guy holding the middle beacon how do you figure we defeat the 5 holding the other beacons with 3 bots. It is simple math. Let me put it this way. If the teams are equal in strategy as this match was. A constant pull with give and take of all beacons. Then you give one team a far superior bot. Who wins. Team A with 5000 dps or team B with 7500 dps.... Math dictates the higher firepower wins if all else is equal. I am solo player. I cannot command my team to take certain beacon. I cannot learn a higher dps from lost games. I can ask to be matched with equal tier bots.
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Post by lumpybump on May 16, 2017 22:29:14 GMT -5
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Post by Russel on May 17, 2017 1:16:29 GMT -5
Actually, no. Slot has nothing to do with the leagues. Let me put it this way: have you ever wanted to get several bots to choose from by the start of the match? Like, three knifers, two snipers, several supports, beacon capper? Well, fifth slot can help you with that. You can have dedicated sniper in those slot, and use it only on Yama/Springfield. Or a pure beacon runner Stalker. You don't need to use all the 5 bots, it just gives you options. Oh, and on your situation with 12/12 bot on center beacon - why do you think you need to take center? Go to their home spawn, there are two beacons. And if this guy is sitting on center - this means that only 5 of reds can defend home beacons, so you got advantage there. That is exactly what I mean (and, possibly, Dredd) by: you need to learn from lost games, because there are nothing that can be learned from victories. 5th slot means I will win more and be in a higher league. Pay attention. And if I have 3 teammates engaging the big guy holding the middle beacon how do you figure we defeat the 5 holding the other beacons with 3 bots. It is simple math. Let me put it this way. If the teams are equal in strategy as this match was. A constant pull with give and take of all beacons. Then you give one team a far superior bot. Who wins. Team A with 5000 dps or team B with 7500 dps.... Math dictates the higher firepower wins if all else is equal. I am solo player. I cannot command my team to take certain beacon. I cannot learn a higher dps from lost games. I can ask to be matched with equal tier bots. Okay, once again =) You DO NOT NEED to destroy bots. You do NOT need even to shoot at them. I can tell you from recent experience than a team purely of Cossacks\Gepards\Stalkers win game against Lancelots\Butches\Furies, and doing that FAST. Once again, to win - you need to take advantage where you can, NOT where enemy can. So if enemy is 12\12 bot - it is not wise engaging those bot. You need to take advantage elsewhere.
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Post by Russel on May 17, 2017 1:20:52 GMT -5
Actually, no. Slot has nothing to do with the leagues. Let me put it this way: have you ever wanted to get several bots to choose from by the start of the match? Like, three knifers, two snipers, several supports, beacon capper? Well, fifth slot can help you with that. You can have dedicated sniper in those slot, and use it only on Yama/Springfield. Or a pure beacon runner Stalker. You don't need to use all the 5 bots, it just gives you options. Oh, and on your situation with 12/12 bot on center beacon - why do you think you need to take center? Go to their home spawn, there are two beacons. And if this guy is sitting on center - this means that only 5 of reds can defend home beacons, so you got advantage there. That is exactly what I mean (and, possibly, Dredd) by: you need to learn from lost games, because there are nothing that can be learned from victories. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」? nothing can be learned from victories? i learned a lot from victories Far less than from a defeat. If you win - that means you are doing something right, do not change what you do. Do not try anything new. Stick to your plan. Repeat old strategy once more. If you loose - you are doing something wrong. You need to figure out what it is and change something. Try out something new. Change your plan. So basically "many victories = stagnation"; "many defeats = you need change of plans, experiment"
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Post by imnobody on May 17, 2017 4:37:19 GMT -5
What makes me more mad is seeing a team member sitting back and taking pocket shot with sniper weapon. Why should I do God work will the lazy 「illegitimate child」 sit behind the starting line and making no effort helping the team.
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Post by imnobody on May 17, 2017 4:49:54 GMT -5
What makes me more mad is seeing a team member sitting back and taking pocket shot with sniper weapon. Why should I do God work will the lazy ?illegitimate child? sit behind the starting line and making no effort helping the team. Undstandable. Just as long as they are only taking pot shots. Many of best teams I've seen have a long range person. Sounds though you are describing from a "I hate snipers" perspective. Not calling out, but is it you hate anyone in that role, or you hate the ones not good.....?
I hate the ones who are not good.
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Post by Russel on May 17, 2017 5:24:36 GMT -5
A bad knifer will at least take some damage for your and might ocassional get a beacon or two. A bad sniper would do nothing at all, so I'm with you on that.
But, at the same time, we were not born good snipers, right? So person need time to learn to be good at something.
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Post by Russel on May 17, 2017 5:59:37 GMT -5
A bad knifer will at least take some damage for your and might ocassional get a beacon or two. A bad sniper would do nothing at all, so I'm with you on that. But, at the same time, we were not born good snipers, right? So person need time to learn to be good at something. Good point! about at learning curve. Trebs aren't hard to learn, but if you aren't used to takes some time.
Heck, if you don't like find a way to take someone under your wing and they will learn the pot shots don't always help. Gotta remember so many views of the game and especially so many ages. Some kids are young and just want to shoot things (even us older kids sometimes) and might not get the whole team work, winning, etc. On the board we tend to forget this is an open game that ANYONE can be playing in different styles, different objectives, etc.
Exactly. I sometimes feels like "Well, 「fluffernutter」 it, I'll just get into a firefight" and charge down the center beacon, shooting things left and right :-D And I know for sure that you get get all the way into the Gold in iOS without even understanding concept of "capturing beacons". So, there would be ocassional players now and then who don't yet get the idea of the game\mechanics of the weapon. And I think it is only good to learn those players, so they decide faster if they don't like the rules, or they would participate better.
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Post by Russel on May 17, 2017 6:39:11 GMT -5
Yep, I've been to several matches, both sides, when one team is dominating first 6 minutes, getting 3\4 beacons, and then all of a sudden another team push HARD and overtake 4 or even 5 beacons altogether. Great experience!
As I stated earlier - I like game either I win or loose, if it is a good\thrilling game.
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Post by DIeGo100% on May 17, 2017 9:24:13 GMT -5
Far less than from a defeat. If you win - that means you are doing something right, do not change what you do. Do not try anything new. Stick to your plan. Repeat old strategy once more. If you loose - you are doing something wrong. You need to figure out what it is and change something. Try out something new. Change your plan. So basically "many victories = stagnation"; "many defeats = you need change of plans, experiment" Yes, but you learned something , doesn't matter if you learned less or more, you learn even if you win.
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Post by Russel on May 17, 2017 9:56:00 GMT -5
Far less than from a defeat. If you win - that means you are doing something right, do not change what you do. Do not try anything new. Stick to your plan. Repeat old strategy once more. If you loose - you are doing something wrong. You need to figure out what it is and change something. Try out something new. Change your plan. So basically "many victories = stagnation"; "many defeats = you need change of plans, experiment" Yes, but you learned something , doesn't matter if you learned less or more, you learn even if you win. Well, basically you learn to control bots\shoot better in your victories, for the most part, but yes, it is a good practice.
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Post by Vectivus on May 17, 2017 10:12:41 GMT -5
Throwing fire onto a fire doe not equal less fire. You're just passing the buck on to someone else when you tank. "My experience sucks, so I'm going make someone else's experience suck so that mine doesn't suck as much." It's NOT A SINGLE PLAYER GAME. You're playing a game with FIVE OTHER PEOPLE. It's NOT JUST YOUR GAME. If you're so unhappy with a team-based game that you're willing to screw over teammates in order to have more fun with it, you either need to reevaluate your priorities, or stick to single-player games. Either way, stop walking all over -my- fun. ?poo-poo? flows downhill. It's a very difficult argument to make to any given individual, that they should, when they get ?poo-poo? on from above, to not pass it on and ?poo-poo? on others beneath them. Volunteering someone else to take one for the team, to eat ?poo-poo? so someone else can benefit, is a tough sell. I'm not volunteering anyone to do anything, though. You click that button, you enter a tacit agreement to participate in a battle on a TEAM. The game is 6v6. Someone else not having the ethics of a potted plant doesn't give you license to do the crappy things that they do. If someone finds the game unplayable without resorting to screwing over their teammates, then they either take their lumps and increase their skill, or they walk. Anything else is crapping all over other folks trying to have their fun AND helping others to do the same.
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Post by spawnreaper on May 28, 2017 21:50:54 GMT -5
I think the overwhelming amount of people saying go back to old mm speaks for itself. If you knew anything about gaming ud know this mm has been used for years by other companies and still being fixed....we're about 2 years behind them though. Current mm supports tanking even gives them a special place to farm. Even low lvl accounts can tank by switching hangers to a lower hanger to do less damage. All those leagues are pretty well pay to win. ....so really what's your point with them? Nor do they use a elo system for matchmaking. And players do tell pixonic what they want...which if you weren't so lazy yourself ud see for yourself in these forums The old mm could have been fixed easy ....again with what info you could find in these forumns. And when you start paying for my games you can tell me how to play....till then learn to play yourself and squad up so tanking isn't a problem for you. I had typed up a response to this before, but the thread was moved before I could post. I'm coming back to this now because, I'm still frustrated. I really tried to write something that would push some positive energy (I started negatively, but brought it around) into the board and into this group of people and you really ran with it in the opposite direction. I'm going to address your points here: I think the overwhelming amount of people saying go back to old mm speaks for itself. If you knew anything about gaming ud know this mm has been used for years by other companies and still being fixed....we're about 2 years behind them though. Current mm supports tanking even gives them a special place to farm. Even low lvl accounts can tank by switching hangers to a lower hanger to do less damage. All those leagues are pretty well pay to win. ....so really what's your point with them? Nor do they use a elo system for matchmaking. And players do tell pixonic what they want...which if you weren't so lazy yourself ud see for yourself in these forums The old mm could have been fixed easy ....again with what info you could find in these forumns. And when you start paying for my games you can tell me how to play....till then learn to play yourself and squad up so tanking isn't a problem for you.New Response: You actually have no idea what I do and do not know about gaming. These forums aren't Pixonic forums, so posting here is NOT telling them what we think. We have no idea how much they do or do not pay attention to the content. You have no idea whether or not I'm lazy, but I'm really not sure why you would think I'm so frustrated if I hadn't been reading these forums. Seriously, did you think I just got a bee in my bonnet one day, then created an account in here and posted that? You continue to trumpet ELO as if it were the answer to all problems, but fail to address any of the problems it will introduce. Namely that the Risk/Reward profile for ELO means that your top players are dis-incented to play as it's far FAR easier to loose points than gain them, given the number of players that are below you in rank vs those at or above your rank. This became a serious issue for a number of competative circuits. So: Old matching making system - drives away new players due to seal clubbing. ELO - drives away top tier competitive players interested in holding high ranks. Pixonic NEEDS to try something else. So draw it up for us. Tell me all the answers. I've played FPSs with competitive clans. I've played sports at the provincial and national level. I've studied game theory. I'll be able to understand. Finally - I DO pay for your game. I've bought things in this game with money I've earned at work, but more importantly I PAY WITH MY TIME - EVERY TIME I PLAY. I came in to check if game got fixed when I came across this. First of all how you conclude I trumpet the new elo mm is beyond me. I hate the new mm in fact it's why I quit playing this game. I quit because new game is boring, frustrating, inflexible, and stagnant. To me this new mm sucks. It's a broken toy to be thrown away. Yes old mm had problems with seal clubbing but it could have easily been fixed forums are full of ideas how. New mm is worse for seal clubbing add tanking and fading to that and imbalanced gameplay and it has a lot more problems. Somehow you think I advocate tanking, I don't but it is part of the gameplay now as long as mm is based on damage . But I don't blame people for tanking either as this is how people farm this game now. Pixonic was well aware of this problem before they implemented this mm since all other games that use it suffer from tanking and fading problems. But main reason I stopped playing is how it became impossible for me to play with friends and family because of different hanger scores and nothing in War Robots future changes convinces me that I'll be back soon. As for you paying for my game with your time and a money. Are you for real? Apparently one of the sports you played involved a broken helmet. I played for my own accounts as well as several family members accounts. Not to mention donations I made to clanmates. The times we had were well worth the money I paid, but for us time to move on as game no longer works for us. As for gaming and sports backgrounds I'm pretty sure I can match yours plus some not even sure why you would even bring that up unless your insecure. So enjoy playing with your broken toy, I've moved on so should you. I won't be back unless game gets fixed proper.
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Post by Dredd77 on May 28, 2017 21:53:35 GMT -5
Moving on from this thread. Locked.
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