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Post by Sybill on Nov 26, 2016 15:48:25 GMT -5
Yes, I'm choosy! I choose not to go to war with an overdose of Zenites, Noricums, Ecus and Natashas at my side.
Therefore I hate it when matchmaker drops me into an ongoing battle with no option to quit during countdown (I would not drop out of running games). Home beacon is already taken, and 2nd beacon will be soon. So no easy gold for me from capping.
Also, why is it that sometimes my team-mates start walking while im still seeing the countdown? I have to have a word with that freaked-out matchmaker one day.
Thank you for listening!
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Post by Muhlakai on Nov 26, 2016 16:06:43 GMT -5
Yes, I'm choosy! I choose not to go to war with an overdose of Zenites, Noricums, Ecus and Natashas at my side. Bad news! You'll probably never have a win rate over 75% and you'll likely never be a member of a successful tournament team. That said, we all have different goals.
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Post by Sybill on Nov 26, 2016 16:27:25 GMT -5
Err... No. Now you can start giving me names.
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Post by noname on Nov 26, 2016 16:28:53 GMT -5
I feel your pain, hate the late starts too. MM dropped me in several today.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 26, 2016 16:35:30 GMT -5
Err... No. Now you can start giving me names. well, with that hangar it doesn't matter who is on your team, so I don't see why you won't go into battle with Nashas, just gives you an even higher chance of earning medal of capture.
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Post by noname on Nov 26, 2016 18:41:32 GMT -5
It does matter with a hanger like that (occassionally), I wiped a Styx clan member out with a full gepard hanger today. Had that poor soul had any team help, they would have the win.
No, I don't gep. I have two and rarely use them.
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Post by Muhlakai on Nov 26, 2016 19:47:45 GMT -5
Err... No. Now you can start giving me names. A full Gep hangar including two full of Aphids and two with magnums? You'll find no sympathy from me for any reason. Also, when you start telling me you're choosy with a hangar like that I'm inclined to double down on my "no tournament victories bound to happen" suspicion.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 26, 2016 19:50:56 GMT -5
It does matter with a hanger like that (occassionally), I wiped a Styx clan member out with a full gepard hanger today. Had that poor soul had any team help, they would have the win. No, I don't gep. I have two and rarely use them. if you wiped out a gep player without geps in bronze without he aid of another experienced player/gep pilot, they are bad.
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Post by boomsplat on Nov 26, 2016 21:44:24 GMT -5
Yes, I'm choosy! I choose not to go to war with an overdose of Zenites, Noricums, Ecus and Natashas at my side. Therefore I hate it when matchmaker drops me into an ongoing battle with no option to quit during countdown (I would not drop out of running games). Home beacon is already taken, and 2nd beacon will be soon. So no easy gold for me from capping. Also, why is it that sometimes my team-mates start walking while im still seeing the countdown? I have to have a word with that freaked-out matchmaker one day. Thank you for listening! You're the victim of other players who dropped out of the match for whatever reason, and you are the last minute backfill....I think nothing more than that. The only way to get around it is to run in a squad - harder for MM to drop you into ongoing matches as backfills when there are 2-6 of you seeking a match. regarding your other question on why some start walking before you, I occasionally run into the same situation even when 6 of us drop as a squad. We had some hypotheses but nothing proven on why. cheers
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Post by Neg0Pander on Nov 27, 2016 0:42:11 GMT -5
It does matter with a hanger like that (occassionally), I wiped a Styx clan member out with a full gepard hanger today. Had that poor soul had any team help, they would have the win. No, I don't gep. I have two and rarely use them. if you wiped out a gep player without geps in bronze without he aid of another experienced player/gep pilot, they are bad. Cuz theres no way he could have outplayed them?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 4:24:16 GMT -5
It does matter with a hanger like that (occassionally), I wiped a Styx clan member out with a full gepard hanger today. Had that poor soul had any team help, they would have the win. No, I don't gep. I have two and rarely use them. if you wiped out a gep player without geps in bronze without he aid of another experienced player/gep pilot, they are bad. Or maybe the Gep pilots team was worse?
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Post by Sybill on Nov 27, 2016 4:25:44 GMT -5
A full Gep hangar including two full of Aphids and two with magnums? You'll find no sympathy from me for any reason. Also, when you start telling me you're choosy with a hangar like that I'm inclined to double down on my "no tournament victories bound to happen" suspicion. I see. Those geps must have given you a really bad time, blasting you from the map whenever they showed up. Well, skill can not be earned, but with a lot of training one can adopt some successful patterns for the game. You made the right decision moving to a higher tier, at least you are safe from geps there now. You'll get there one day. Keep it up!
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Post by Sybill on Nov 27, 2016 4:36:48 GMT -5
It does matter with a hanger like that (occassionally), I wiped a Styx clan member out with a full gepard hanger today. Had that poor soul had any team help, they would have the win. No, I don't gep. I have two and rarely use them. Yes, it does matter. If hostiles now what they are doing and you got enough campers on your team, you get sweaty fingers just from keeping all the beacons from turning red same time. And it just is so much more fun when you have team mates taking the battle to the enemy together with you. That is one of the good things about clans, or when you have some friends to platoon with. If one has never been in a really good clan, I can only encourage to try hard and get an invite from them. The welcoming alone is great. Just make sure you speak their language (...my russian was somewhat nonexistent at one time). Right now, I personally do not feel ready for one of those top-10-clans I got invited to. Tried, but as their weapons were all maxed-out to lvl. 12 I did not score that much damage as they did and felt less worthy. Working on it, but it takes so much time.
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Post by Muhlakai on Nov 27, 2016 7:54:27 GMT -5
Those geps must have given you a really bad time, blasting you from the map whenever they showed up. Well, skill can not be earned, but with a lot of training one can adopt some successful patterns for the game. You made the right decision moving to a higher tier, at least you are safe from geps there now. You'll get there one day. Keep it up! Well, you've lurked some, but not enough if you think I ever have problems melting Geps in battle. Also, if you think I'm not seeing Geps in every game then you think I'm in a different tier than I am. The reason you get no sympathy is that you've intentionally armed yourself with the most OP combos in the game and then came in here saying, "Woe is me! Some matches just get too hard because my teammates are crappy!" That shows the precise lack of determination that would allow you to succeed in an open, unfiltered environment like a tournament. Fundamentally, you're scared of those other bots and you tried to turn my objective evaluation into a slam back at me because it hit just a little too close to home. Seriously, you took basically exactly what I said and simply made it overtly patronizing. Ridiculous.
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Post by boomsplat on Nov 27, 2016 10:35:25 GMT -5
Those geps must have given you a really bad time, blasting you from the map whenever they showed up. Well, skill can not be earned, but with a lot of training one can adopt some successful patterns for the game. You made the right decision moving to a higher tier, at least you are safe from geps there now. You'll get there one day. Keep it up! shows the precise lack of determination that would allow you to succeed in an open, unfiltered environment like a tournament. Hi Muhlakai pardon my ignorance, but are there tourneyments you are competing in with War Robots? The only tourneyment I can think of is the clan tourneyment in the spring....I don't think you are referring to matches. I'm trying to understand your point about gep drivers lacking the determination to do well in tourneyments when I'm not aware of any such thing nor any data. if you are referring to an open tourneyment without tiering, then I would agree that a squad of gep drivers maxed for silver would most likely get wiped by a squad of max gold bots....but I don't know if that is related to the determination of the pilots. I've been in silver squads where MM put us up against maxed gold hangers because someone left a gold bot in by mistake and we fight tooth and nail to win. I've had other gold bot drivers fold and die at the sight of a gep....is that determination? You have interesting posts so trying to understand the basis of your conclusions since you are castigating an entire group of bot drivers. cheers
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Post by zeus on Nov 27, 2016 11:38:03 GMT -5
I have experienced this too. Also lag and watching the timer shut me down from escaping the horrible horde of zenit Natashas, treb spiders, Destriers and Molot Griffins/rhinos around me. I'm fine with the lag or late insertion though, I don't usually skip maps or bad teams, in fact, sometimes I sit back and watch them struggle really hard because they are just so bad, it becomes funny to watch, lol.
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Post by Muhlakai on Nov 27, 2016 13:22:01 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand your point about gep drivers lacking the determination to do well in tourneyments when I'm not aware of any such thing nor any data. You have interesting posts so trying to understand the basis of your conclusions since you are castigating an entire group of bot drivers. cheers Not an entire group, boom, just this guy. Feel free to read again for clarification. I don't think all Gep drivers lack determination; there are good drivers in Geps and bad drivers in Geps, just like any other frame. I'm saying that quitting because he just doesn't like playing with certain teammates is a delusion of good driving. His determination has nothing to do with his preferred frame at all. My win rate is typically 80-90%. I don't skip any maps and I play every match I'm given, regardless of whether I spawn next to five arty Nats or next to 5 knife fighters. (Note that what I have in my hangar has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.) He's skipping maps if he thinks he might have a handicap from the randoms who spawned with him. If you only knew that single difference about our two driving styles, which one would you put your money on if you were forced to bet? To top it off, he brags about a long win streak. What does that win streak mean, exactly? It means nothing more than he's correct about playing only when he's fairly certain that he's got an overwhelming advantage. So it's clear that he has a large *desire* to win, but not the *determination* to learn how to win no matter what. I can carry a team of randoms to victory under almost all conditions, regardless of who does or doesn't have Gepards dropping into their side. He can tell, with an extraordinary degree of success, whether it's going to be a tough battle and avoids every single such instance. Which one of us has the determination to overcome any challenge on our way to victory? Even if we were both running clubbing hangars it wouldn't change the fact that one of us has much less determination than the other. Does that clarify things?
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Post by boomsplat on Nov 27, 2016 14:02:58 GMT -5
Thanks Muhlakia....I just misinterpreted a "you." Thank you for the clarification of which I agree with....go all out to win for the blue team no matter what bots You're driving. To do less would be a waste of your time and a disservice to your teammates no matter what their skill level. While I don't understand Random team mates sometimes, I try not to blame them for losses as this game takes a bit to understand how to win in different game situations. If I have to do more to win, great...someone did that for me when I was a beginner. Sometimes the competition is overwhelming or we make a mistake....who cares. MM throws us all together regardless of skill level.....I just hope they have a good time playing their game style and/or learn something that will bring greater enjoyment down the road. Thank you Cheers!
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Nov 27, 2016 16:32:57 GMT -5
I see. Those geps must have given you a really bad time, blasting you from the map whenever they showed up. Well, skill can not be earned, but with a lot of training one can adopt some successful patterns for the game. You made the right decision moving to a higher tier, at least you are safe from geps there now. You'll get there one day. Keep it up! You are trying to look down on somebody, you don't know anything about, when all you do, is clubbing newbies, while just having the best equipment, money can buy? I don't see the skill in that. It's like bragging, how good you can drive a car, when racing with a mercedes against a bycicle. And then you are picky about your teammates? Sorry, but in my book, this is so low...
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Post by noname on Nov 27, 2016 19:27:10 GMT -5
It does matter with a hanger like that (occassionally), I wiped a Styx clan member out with a full gepard hanger today. Had that poor soul had any team help, they would have the win. No, I don't gep. I have two and rarely use them. if you wiped out a gep player without geps in bronze without he aid of another experienced player/gep pilot, they are bad. Decent pilot, but I got in his/her head. After the first encounter with a sneakier cossack, they came back hunting me, I died, spawned and finished them off after a jog. Third encounter I got it from a distance, 4th encounter they did a rage march into a hiding Taran then got me, but took significant damage. I knew then I had it. We were at blue spawn. Thunder schutze to the face immediately took it down. I still had 1 more bot and was on the hunt... Had their randoms been better, or closer to as good as mine, it probably would have ended different. My #2 did a great job on the rest of red while I worked on the 5x trimags. Not sure why, but I can't seem to get a second or third screen capture to upload showing hangers.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 27, 2016 23:16:28 GMT -5
My #2 did a great job on the rest of red while I worked on the 5x trimags. Ah yeah that explains it then. The gep pilot did not pilot his bots carefully, and you were ready for the fight. I tend to not pilot very carefully either when I'm in Gepards tbh, if I lose all my bots then oh well, on to the next game. When you are in Gepards you are aiming to get the 10 gold as fast as possible most of the time, so if you have to cornershoot in engagements then it's not really worth the time. Good job though, you'd be pretty happy that you didn't have to clear the remaining reds by yourself.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Dec 4, 2016 21:59:08 GMT -5
Yes, I'm choosy! I choose not to go to war with an overdose of Zenites, Noricums, Ecus and Natashas at my side. Bad news! You'll probably never have a win rate over 75% and you'll likely never be a member of a successful tournament team. That said, we all have different goals. You won't do much better with these bots and weapons. in fact, you'll be a handicap.
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Post by Muhlakai on Dec 5, 2016 6:36:19 GMT -5
You won't do much better with these bots and weapons. in fact, you'll be a handicap. You missed the point. I wasn't saying I used such atrocious equipment, but that the disservice was quitting just because his teammates were.
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Post by Sybill on Dec 5, 2016 6:55:10 GMT -5
You won't do much better with these bots and weapons. in fact, you'll be a handicap. You missed the point. I wasn't saying I used such atrocious equipment, but that the disservice was quitting just because his teammates were. Hmmm. You really got me pondering this now. But I did not get your point yet: If your team-mates are obviously ill-equipped (and maybe there are clan-tags on hostile's team) making it a very unbalanced game - you still choose to try win that match? Watching the Nori-Pattons being torn apart by Thunder Golems and the Zenit-Schütze's shredded in meele? In my opinion the unbalanced games are the least fun, no matter in whose favor it is.
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Post by Muhlakai on Dec 5, 2016 11:17:30 GMT -5
If your team-mates are obviously ill-equipped (and maybe there are clan-tags on hostile's team) making it a very unbalanced game - you still choose to try win that match? In my opinion the unbalanced games are the least fun, no matter in whose favor it is. Heck yes, I do! I never skip a game and I never skip a match. - Blues are arty and the Reds are mostly Raze/Ruin? Done it. (Nearly won it too.) - No one else grabs beacons? Done it. Won it. - Blues spawn with multiple Destriers and Reds are low Gold tier? Done it. Won it. - Playing solo and Reds clearly have voice comms? Done it. Won it. I typically have an 80-90% win rate, I've never spent money on the game, I've never owned a Gep or a Rog, and I tackle everything from the MM head on. I'm not looking to win Points (er, Player) of the Hour; I want the "Holy crap on a stick that guy is a beast on the field" award. I also often find that games I thought would be fun aren't and vice versa. ...so does that help?
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Dec 5, 2016 12:30:33 GMT -5
The only matches I quit are those with tri-Mag or tri-Aphid Gepards on my side, and I always wait until after the match begins, so that I can shoot at them a few times first, and also in the off chance that being one bot short slightly lowers the probability that they'll win, but I doubt it really does.
I agree that the unbalanced games are the least fun, but in my experience, most of the unbalanced games are due to Gepards. But not always. I'm 4/6-7 with 600 victories, and yesterday there was one guy with 5 Golems and 1,250 victories, 4/7-9, everything from Thunders, Hydra, Orkans, and Aphids, to Tridents, Magnums, Tarans, and Zeus. I took him out twice, but with only 4 slots to his 5, that was one that was over 5-0 AND all bots destroyed with no casualties at all on their side. I think a lot of that was because my teammates were all 3-slotters (I was the last one in my 2nd-to-last bot).
It was, actually, a fairly fun match (albeit still on the short side, with only a total of 13 beacon takes), up to the point I realized all my teammates were gone. We even had the beacon lead for quite a while there. So, I'd play it all over again, keeping closer tabs on that guy. He snuck up on me when I was in my quad-CRV Pin bot. My mistake for not keeping him prioritized #1 after he got me with the Trident. Every time I've faced a 5-Gepard hangar, it's over much more quickly than that. I can take out 1 or 2, but when I'm down to 2 bots left and one is a midrange support, that's pretty much all she wrote.
I find it hilarious that a 5-Gepard hangar pilot would be terrified of having Natashas as teammates. It's only mildly disappointing to me, and my hangar isn't ridiculously OP.
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Post by josette2 on Dec 5, 2016 12:35:24 GMT -5
Who cares just play and have fun. Why do people care so much about win Rate. You don't even lose alot of silver from losing.
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Post by Muhlakai on Dec 5, 2016 15:42:08 GMT -5
Who cares just play and have fun. Why do people care so much about win Rate. You don't even lose alot of silver from losing. It's clear we aren't playing the same kind of game. I'm highly competitive. Don't worry, though: when you're Blue I'll quite happily carry your weight.
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Post by Sybill on Dec 5, 2016 16:08:15 GMT -5
If your team-mates are obviously ill-equipped (and maybe there are clan-tags on hostile's team) making it a very unbalanced game - you still choose to try win that match? In my opinion the unbalanced games are the least fun, no matter in whose favor it is. Heck yes, I do! I never skip a game and I never skip a match. - Blues are arty and the Reds are mostly Raze/Ruin? Done it. (Nearly won it too.) - No one else grabs beacons? Done it. Won it. - Blues spawn with multiple Destriers and Reds are low Gold tier? Done it. Won it. - Playing solo and Reds clearly have voice comms? Done it. Won it. I typically have an 80-90% win rate, I've never spent money on the game, I've never owned a Gep or a Rog, and I tackle everything from the MM head on. I'm not looking to win Points (er, Player) of the Hour; I want the "Holy crap on a stick that guy is a beast on the field" award. I also often find that games I thought would be fun aren't and vice versa. ...so does that help? Very, thanks. So I misjudged you on your first posts to this thread and apologize for having de-evaluated you in my post of Nov 27, 2016 at 10:25.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 16:20:02 GMT -5
Who cares just play and have fun. Why do people care so much about win Rate. You don't even lose alot of silver from losing. It's clear we aren't playing the same kind of game. I'm highly competitive. Don't worry, though: when you're Blue I'll quite happily carry your weight. You're highly competitive? I would have never guessed...? That will serve you well when you move up and sport a true gold hangar. It's a humbling experience (at least it was for me). How's it going with the Griffins?
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