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Post by Why? on Apr 23, 2017 13:39:38 GMT -5
So, I broke 50% win rate when I reached the threshold of Silver II. Now, whenever I am barely above the limit to qualify, I get a few losses in a row dumping be back into Silver II, I gather some wins and make it to the edge and again, I break 50% and boom! tougher opponents, tankers, even 1 loss resets the point threshold. See what the MM pairs me up with whenever I am near the margin So how do I get out of this rust and bust into Silver II? Or is it too much of a sharktank to even bother with?
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Post by piginapoke on Apr 23, 2017 14:05:04 GMT -5
It happens to me. When I reach a tier I get booted down until I upgrade my weapons and can keep up with the rest. Managed to hang on to gold 3 by having better guns and before I try to make it to gold 2 I want to improve my guns more. Right now I win a couple of games lose a couple then win again. I don't mind really. Just trying to hang on for dear life.
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Post by amidf on Apr 23, 2017 15:01:33 GMT -5
I suggest you play for a week without checking your league points. The easiest way to get into the next league is to do it accidentally. It's like flying. When you fall, you need to be distracted so you forget to hit the ground.
-Amid
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Post by Insane Demon on Apr 23, 2017 16:25:03 GMT -5
I suggest you play for a week without checking your league points. The easiest way to get into the next league is to do it accidentally. It's like flying. When you fall, you need to be distracted so you forget to hit the ground. -Amid I don't know how to like posts, so I'll just go ol' skool and type +1.
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Post by [apotheosis] on Apr 23, 2017 16:28:25 GMT -5
You hit the little thumbs up icon next to the icons for reporting and editing.
Tip, you can hit it again to unlike something you accidentally loked.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Apr 23, 2017 17:19:21 GMT -5
I have had this happen several times through the Diamond tier on Android. I have had several scenarios. Typical is to approach new tier and MM puts new obstacles in the way you described above.
Sometimes it has taken several run ups to break through to next tier! I have also just qualified into next tier, only to drop back into previous tier.
Where I am now, I was steady mid-high in Diamond I for 2 weeks holding my own. Then MM just turned and slowly dropped to bottom of D I. So frustrating! Then I dropped again in Diamond II - I'm pissed off. Just gotta play through it!
That was 3 days ago. I have been on Awesome run! I went from mid D II and straight through deep into D I. Went 4/5 on Challenge matches and ended with 2955 cups. I have not leveled anything in my hangar - upgrading Ancile in background. Try different routes on maps, change your lineup, follow some other blues etc... DO something different rather than EXPECT something different!! Review your play, where did F up! Do better next time!
Letting my phone cool down & charge up. Finished today just below 3100 cups & 60% War Robots. Will charge up the hill to Expert III for the 4th time tomorrow!
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Post by truechill on Apr 23, 2017 18:35:56 GMT -5
Try different routes on maps, change your lineup, follow some other blues etc... DO something different rather than EXPECT something different!! Review your play, where did F up! Do better next time! Words of wisdom.
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Post by truechill on Apr 23, 2017 18:44:04 GMT -5
Why? mind sharing a screen shot or quick type up of your hanger setup? The wise people of the forum may be able to give more personalized and detailed advice. You could also probably shoot shaolinrogue a message. He does a lot of custom advice and tips videos. In general there are a lot of good youtubers who put together pretty detailed strategy videos and guides. Maybe check some of them out and take note of the little details for their play styles and strategies. Little changes to your hanger/strategy/play style might be enough to boost you up a tier or two.
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Post by Insane Demon on Apr 23, 2017 19:07:31 GMT -5
I'm confused by this post. Where do you think you should be (league-wise)?
This is my 9th day playing War Robots, and I'm also in Silver League II (1331/1499) at level 24. I don't know if that's good or bad. My victories right now is at 56% with 165 wins. When I'm dropped into Yamantau, Shenzhen or Powerplant... I don't even play to win. I hate those maps.
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Post by 0ppressor on Apr 23, 2017 19:30:27 GMT -5
So, I broke 50% win rate when I reached the threshold of Silver II. Now, whenever I am barely above the limit to qualify, I get a few losses in a row dumping be back into Silver II, I gather some wins and make it to the edge and again, I break 50% and boom! tougher opponents, tankers, even 1 loss resets the point threshold. See what the MM pairs me up with whenever I am near the margin So how do I get out of this rust and bust into Silver II? Or is it too much of a sharktank to even bother with? Wow, you gave absolutely nothing for anyone to be able to help you. Operating system? Current bots and weapons levels? Gold level? Fifth slot? In a clan? Perceived problems other than 'MM isn't fair'? Not trying to deter you, but definately trying to cajole you into making a response that people can use to help you.
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Post by shaolinrogue on Apr 23, 2017 19:56:28 GMT -5
So, I broke 50% win rate when I reached the threshold of Silver II. Now, whenever I am barely above the limit to qualify, I get a few losses in a row dumping be back into Silver II, I gather some wins and make it to the edge and again, I break 50% and boom! tougher opponents, tankers, even 1 loss resets the point threshold. See what the MM pairs me up with whenever I am near the margin So how do I get out of this rust and bust into Silver II? Or is it too much of a sharktank to even bother with? truechill summoned me.... like Beetlejuice Same thing happens to me on both accounts when I get near a boundary. I stopped paying attention to leagues & just do my best to busy & try to win. If I lose I still get silver which I need more than anything else. If you provide a hanger shot & maybe let me know what kinds of bots you struggle with I'll see what I can come up with
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Post by Firebeard on Apr 23, 2017 20:44:00 GMT -5
I'm confused by this post. Where do you think you should be (league-wise)? This is my 9th day playing War Robots, and I'm also in Silver League II (1331/1499) at level 24. I don't know if that's good or bad. My victories right now is at 56% with 165 wins. When I'm dropped into Yamantau, Shenzhen or Powerplant... I don't even play to win. I hate those maps. That's some pretty impressive boasting. Care to share a few Tips..?
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Post by BLYTHE on Apr 23, 2017 20:58:26 GMT -5
If you can't break into a league then you may have to come to terms with the fact that you're not ready yet--no shame in that as we've all been there.
If you progress before you're ready then you'll just get dumped right back, further frustrating you.
Another possible reason is slots. Do you have 5?
I've found that to do better it's best not to be so focused on advancing as you'll likely be more apt to break routine that may in fact be holding you back.
Have fun, change the order you deploy your bots, do a different game play, and try new builds.
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Post by Why? on Apr 23, 2017 22:08:55 GMT -5
Tagging truechill shaolinrogue Insane Demon BLYTHE since you guys wanted to see! Then there is this guy for beacon capping sometimes Gold level and WSP. Platform: Android (though I use an Emulator) Perceived problems: I consistently pour out top damage 1-2 whether I win or lose, cap generally as many beacons at the top grabber or just a little less. Just that, I lose too much that makes me slide back. What league should I be in: I dunno. I see 12/12 hangars to 7/7 in Silver III-I. Also, it's not like I am playing against Silver III guys, it is usually Silver II-I I am matched up against.
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Post by Why? on Apr 23, 2017 23:00:22 GMT -5
Not really sure how to overcome this. This is a match I played a few minutes ago. These are the kind of guys in opponent. While these are my team mates. I am not kidding. I had all of these 3-2 slot guys in my team and 5 slot monsters in other. I still finished top damage+top beacon on my side, but a losing one. How do I overcome this?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 23:41:12 GMT -5
Not really sure how to overcome this. This is a match I played a few minutes ago. These are the kind of guys in opponent. While these are my team mates. I am not kidding. I had all of these 3-2 slot guys in my team and 5 slot monsters in other. I still finished top damage+top beacon on my side, but a losing one. How do I overcome this? you can't. there's an old joke that's apt. You play game, In Soviet Russia game plays you!
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Post by snk on Apr 24, 2017 0:36:41 GMT -5
Depends how long you want to keep your Thunder Carnage, if you going to use it for a while, I suggest you upgrade the thunder, 2 level 9 Thunder almost equal to 3 level 5 Thunder in damage. About the win/lose ratio, I always moving between 35%-65% or Diamond 1 to Expert 2. I would rather stay in Diamond 1 (which most people gears are similar as mine). In Expert 2, I could face all Champions League player for 10+ streak of match. I don't really care the league rank, I will be put to a rank that around my gears and skill level.
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Post by 0ppressor on Apr 24, 2017 0:41:36 GMT -5
Get your 5th slot. I cannot prove it but I swear the MM algorithm takes slots into consideration, and as you have less than max, you're getting lumped in with others that have less than max. It will also allow you to make that much more of a difference.
Level up those Thunders. Dual level 5 Thunders are not scary. Dual level 8+ Thunders are scary. Level that Carnage one or two more levels as well.
I'd say you should be in Silver II as soon as the Carnage's Thunders gets levelled and Silver I easily once you get your fifth slot.
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Post by SuperHero on Apr 24, 2017 1:02:09 GMT -5
The OP should be aware that playstyle also matters when changing leagues. As I have progressed tiers and later leagues, my playstyle and tactics had to evolve in order to survive, succeed and move forward.
What would allow you to succeed in lower levels, such as being aggressive, might be detrimental if done at the wrong timing. Positional awareness and tactical movement become way more important as you move up.
Finally, squading helps.
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Post by truechill on Apr 24, 2017 1:52:19 GMT -5
Why?Ok some thoughts on the hanger. It is pretty good. It might not make a huge difference but I would probably shuffle things around a bit. Buy a second Orkin and Griffin. Since you already have one Orkin you can replace the Leo with a DB Griffin. You use Leo's weapons, Pintatas to the DB Griffin and the thunder to your Carnage. Level up the other thunder on your Carnage. Then save for the 5th slot. That should leave you with PDB Griffin RDB Griffin DB Griffin Thunder Carnage. If you really like the Leo and want to save for you 5th before getting a 2nd Orkin then I would probably focus on getting the Thunders leveled up on your Carnage. Play style strategy tips. watch youtube guides. Phoenix, adrian, and shaolin rouge are all really helpful. Work with your team. If you are in a squishy High dps bot let your teammates be a meat shield. Play a bit conservatively. Make every bot count. Pick your targets. If the bots you are about to face are a bad matchup, go somewhere else. You won't get the value out of your bot fighting a bad match up. Pick your routes. Make sure the route you choose has terrain that favors the bot you are using. edges of the map and flanking. Some times its hard to let the enemy control the center beacon at the start while you run around to a good flank but its worth it. You will force the enemy to spread out to defend the flank or you will get an awesome ambush attack on them and take the back beacons. Even if you are just hiding or playing cat and mouse with cover. You force the enemy back which gives your team the advantage at center. Be patient. Most of your opponents will have the attention span of a gold fish. If you stay in cover long enough they will get distracted and start shooting at something else. You can pop out and erase them without taking any dmg in return. Even worst case scenario you can some times keep 2 or 3 bots distracted which is a less tangible but major benefit for your team. I don't want to ramble too long but hopefully some of that helps you.
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Post by osang on Apr 24, 2017 2:04:24 GMT -5
The higher the league, the tougher it gets.
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Post by shaolinrogue on Apr 24, 2017 10:52:50 GMT -5
The OP should be aware that playstyle also matters when changing leagues. As I have progressed tiers and later leagues, my playstyle and tactics had to evolve in order to survive, succeed and move forward. What would allow you to succeed in lower levels, such as being aggressive, might be detrimental if done at the wrong timing. Positional awareness and tactical movement become way more important as you move up. Finally, squading helps. Agreed, I had to tone the aggression waaay down once I hit high silver low gold. Try not to initiate combat, instead look for ongoing engagements you can fire into & take your time to get into a good position before you commit. Your well on your way, get your 5th slot & then save for another Orkan. I agree with the above advice to level the thunders first. In reality, whether your winning or losing is out of your control. If you don't have people to squad with it makes it extra tough. One of my accounts is around your level & I have him in HEATHEN HERETIC 's clan steel cats. My odds of winning definitely go way up when running with the clan. Sorry if it was mentioned before but if you are on Android you might want to get in touch with him.
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Post by shaolinrogue on Apr 24, 2017 10:54:16 GMT -5
Patience, let others rush the front line
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Apr 24, 2017 10:57:16 GMT -5
Try these: 1) Squad up with comms. Your chance of success increases quite a bit and reduces the chance of having a tanker on your side. 2) Try playing in a different time of day. The hard core players tend to play in the afternoon in my time zone so try late at night or early in the morning.
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Post by truechill on Apr 24, 2017 17:07:41 GMT -5
Patience, let others rush the front line That video was very helpful for me. The advice in it is pretty spot on. I would add one caveat though. I had to play a bit conservative than you did in the video. Silver and Gold league can have pretty big disparities between players bot levels. There are a lot of over leveled bots that are simply much more powerful than the OPs bots. I had to do a bit more corner shooting and targeting distracted opponents. I suppose there are also a lot of players with lower level bots and terrible hangers.. judging from the OPs pics of his recent match. Maybe it balances out.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Apr 24, 2017 18:41:18 GMT -5
So, I broke 50% win rate when I reached the threshold of Silver II. Now, whenever I am barely above the limit to qualify, I get a few losses in a row dumping be back into Silver II, I gather some wins and make it to the edge and again, I break 50% and boom! tougher opponents, tankers, even 1 loss resets the point threshold. See what the MM pairs me up with whenever I am near the margin So how do I get out of this rust and bust into Silver II? Or is it too much of a sharktank to even bother with? Please don't get hung up on league leveling. Yesterday I had made it to gold 3 again with a 65% win rate. Today I'm in top bronze with a 32% win rate. And that was using the same hanger with a 3 kill 300? damage average and grabbing any beacons I could reach. It wasn't my play style or hanger that dropped me. It was the quality of the teammates the matchmaker generated for over 17 games straight. In 12 of those I was in the top 3 players. 6 with me as lead with over 550k damage and at least 2 beacons. In one I did my max, 8 kills and 750k+ damage. Next best player on my team did 120k. Noone else even broke triple k and it was uniformly mid to high silver players. All I can say is quality of players and equipment varies and if you're soloing you roll the dice. Even while squading you may not know how someone is going to do on any given map or time. But if you squad with clanmates and friends and maybe use comms you may find better squadmates and enjoy yourself win or lose. If you squad with just people in your tier you almost always get a pretty balanced opponent lineup as well. Add just one high tiered player to your squad and be ready to see only high leveled players. Matchmaking doesn't appear to care about and balanced mixed matches unfortunately. While squading with shaolinrogue and VivaLaResistance and our high league friends I almost always end up bottom of the list in damage. I don't think I've ever even gotten 4th. Those guys are awesome players almost always with awesome equipment to boot. My equipment is just sharkbait in their swimming pool, but it's great fun and a learning experience playing with them especially when we're using comms. Love watching their YouTube vids as well, they're very instructive and helpful. Everyone should watch a few of those no matter who puts them out. The tips you get from them will dramatically change your gameplay if you're having difficulties. I stopped charging in with my hair on fire and started working the ranges. Shooting around corners, using splash damage. Loving my better scores now even if I still have a tendency to stick my head out too far now and then. That's a really bad bad habit of mine, especially when squading with high league players. I admittedly want to impress these people by killing as many bots as I can but my equipment just melts in the withering fusillades that level 10-12 weapons throw out and my weapons just tickle their bots. Even trying to hide doesn't help a lot of the time. Blooded prey just draws in the sharks. lol. Now I just try to stay out of range and help where I can. Still bottom tier but now I'm lasting through the matches instead of botting out in less than 3 minutes. It's taking me a while to upgrade everything but I'm getting there. I have four accounts. Level 30 HEATHEN CAT -- bronze 2 | 1 Carnage, 2 Leos, 1 Griffin Level 27 HEATHEN FIRE - silver 2 | 1 Leo, 1 Griffin, 2 Boas Level 24 Cat o' War --- silver 3 | 1 Destrier, 1 Schutze, 1 Vityaz, 1 Boa Level 23 Steel Cat ---- silver 3 | 3 Destriers, 1 Patton Day before yesterday I got curious about the so called "Leaver League". So I purposely left over 40 matches in a row after doing little to no damage and taking a beacon or not and I left consistently at about 2-3 minutes into the matches. The rest of the day I'd drop out of every other match and skipped certain maps not really suitable to my hanger or preferences. Yeah, yeah, I know, poor teammates. Get over it. I did this with my level 24 Cat o' War account out of curiosity and to understand what the differences are in gameplay and players between the leagues. Personally I found there was no difference. Not one bit. Same beacon ignoring 'tards, same statues, same amount of leavers and tankers, same number of lopsided hangers, same amounts of rewards whether squading or soloing. And I lost no league level either. In fact I went from bronze 2 to silver 3. I actually think Pixonic is blowing smoke up our collective 「bum-bum」es about there even being a "Leavers League" because I saw no evidence of it whatsoever.
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Post by shaolinrogue on Apr 24, 2017 20:03:51 GMT -5
Patience, let others rush the front line That video was very helpful for me. The advice in it is pretty spot on. I would add one caveat though. I had to play a bit conservative than you did in the video. Silver and Gold league can have pretty big disparities between players bot levels. There are a lot of over leveled bots that are simply much more powerful than the OPs bots. I had to do a bit more corner shooting and targeting distracted opponents. I suppose there are also a lot of players with lower level bots and terrible hangers.. judging from the OPs pics of his recent match. Maybe it balances out. Every match is different. TBH, I seem to have extremely good luck when I set out to make a video & find lots of Reds that don't seem to take much notice of me. Your spot on with the more careful approach. I am currently in Silver II with a 6/7 4 bot hanger & usually try to wait until someone ELSE has their attention then I help finish them off.
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Apr 25, 2017 1:18:03 GMT -5
From looking at your hangar, I'd say you're doing alright.
The league system naturally limits you to what your equipment can keep up with. You aren't at an equipment level to compete any higher, hence the losses. Do you want to move up further and as an extreme example, face level 12 bots and weapons?
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Post by SuperHero on Apr 25, 2017 4:56:21 GMT -5
HEATHEN HERETIC how much time do you have to play man?!?! And why 4 accounts if they are all in similar leagues? At the OP, watch some youtube guys with and see how they aim, move, scope out the battelfield and position themselves. Some of them are better with certain bots. For example, if you wanna learn about piloting Griffins, check this guys out.
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Apr 25, 2017 9:15:05 GMT -5
SuperHeroI will remain the Rhino specialist..... as I am the only one who uses them with a passion anymore. haha
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