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Post by gareth on Apr 20, 2017 16:41:14 GMT -5
My first post here so my apologies if in the wrong place. The issue of "leavers", "tankers", "ditchers", "clubbers" and the like seems to have been covered over and over again within the forum, however, thought this may be of interest to some, whether or not you fall into any of those categories. There also seems to have been plenty of debate as to whether or not skipping a map within the initial 15 seconds before a battle commences land you in the "leavers queue"...well hopefully this clears things up.
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Post by mijapi300 on Apr 20, 2017 16:43:59 GMT -5
That implies they do not know how their own Leaver's Queue works. It's been proven that leaving during the initial 15 second timer repeatedly gets you in the queue.
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Post by gareth on Apr 20, 2017 16:47:03 GMT -5
I think the keywords in there are "should not" which is kind of vague so yes, would indicate they don't really have a clue and despite the "room" being live he says they are still "experimenting".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 16:49:21 GMT -5
"However leaving during the first 15 seconds should not haven an influence on it"
Is this some intern tasked with replying emails or what? That Pixonic representative clearly does not know what he is talking about.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Apr 20, 2017 16:56:27 GMT -5
"However leaving during the first 15 seconds should not haven an influence on it" Is this some intern tasked with replying emails or what? That Pixonic representative clearly does not know what he is talking about. Well at least we got a response.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Apr 20, 2017 17:42:44 GMT -5
"However leaving during the first 15 seconds should not haven an influence on it" Is this some intern tasked with replying emails or what? That Pixonic representative clearly does not know what he is talking about. Unless they've decided to do it differently on iOS. Stranger things have happened.
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Post by iKily on Apr 20, 2017 18:57:43 GMT -5
"However leaving during the first 15 seconds should not haven an influence on it" Is this some intern tasked with replying emails or what? That Pixonic representative clearly does not know what he is talking about. Unless they've decided to do it differently on iOS. Stranger things have happened. Like that time in Pokémon Go when Niantic response was a mere "r"
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Post by BLYTHE on Apr 20, 2017 19:05:48 GMT -5
Sure, remaining inactive will get you potentially penalized but anything beyond that will be difficult to assess. For instance, a player who caps a couple beacons, fires a few shots, and then leaves will likely not suffer any penalties.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Apr 20, 2017 22:38:11 GMT -5
Hmmm. So I may never have been in LQ after all. I thought it was odd that I'd get full 6-vs-6 balanced matches and then get a a seriously lopsided match (any match with less than 4 pilots on any one side). I'd think you'd consistently get lopsided matches if you were in LQ until such a time when they let you out.
I've stopped skipping, but according to Pix it would have made no difference.
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Post by zeus on Apr 21, 2017 0:59:04 GMT -5
So we now have official word that map skippers aren't supposed to be in the LQ, since the system nor intent of developers isn't meant for map skippers since there's a 15s approved window of opportunity for players to skip the map.
I still suspect late replacements are the ones getting caught in the LQ because the system doesn't recognize their 15s of freedom to choose a map, that or Pixo's LQ isn't that refined.
This message is certainly less ambiguous than "chronic leavers" being penalised which I suppose can now be taken to mean just that, ditchers and not 15s skippers.
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Post by amidf on Apr 21, 2017 1:01:01 GMT -5
Besides the map skipping claim, there's another nugget in there. Seems the mismatches in the LQ are due to tiny player pool rather than a "some at each level" matchmaker. If true, this would severely undermine the wishful claim here that the LQ is nearly or as popular as the regular queue. It must be radically smaller. Of course, with the imagined mass exodus of players that may change soon with the game being dead and all.
-Amid
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Post by Firebeard on Apr 21, 2017 1:42:54 GMT -5
I'm guessing "should not" is in reference to leaving before your Mecha drops onto the battlefield or the Match starts. Also, Pixonic already stated that "repeated skipping" could land you in LQ.
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Post by gareth on Apr 21, 2017 3:36:54 GMT -5
I'm guessing "should not" is in reference to leaving before your Mecha drops onto the battlefield or the Match starts. Also, Pixonic already stated that "repeated skipping" could land you in LQ. They did which is what makes this statement all the more farcical. But perhaps you are correct in your "should not" theory. I've seen there are members here that have proven if you skip a number of maps in a row it'll land you in the leaver doldrums but in reality, most will only skip long or short maps so the chances of you skipping more than 10 maps in a row should be fairly small.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 12:31:56 GMT -5
"However leaving during the first 15 seconds should not haven an influence on it"
Could it be that map skipping is an acceptable method of play, but the LQ is catching people for it even though it shouldn't? If that is the case, so much for the righteous condemnation from the holier-than-thou let-me-tell-you-how-this-game-is-supposed-to-be-played 「bum-bum」 hats that reveled in map skippers being LQ'd.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Apr 21, 2017 12:41:02 GMT -5
A person late filling a map skipper is at very measurable disadvantage, as is the team that must bear the brunt of it. The current LQ criteria and filter is just fine for me in this regard. Until the competitive and non competitive leagues are fully fleshed out this is going to have to be how it is.
We need Pix to finish the game modes...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 12:50:55 GMT -5
If the author of the letter in the OP from Pix is really qualified to represent that map skipping is okay, I think Pix is not realizing how short sighted that approach is, and the possible impact this could have on the game. Yes, most of you on the forum that skip maps don't do it to gain an advantage, you just don't like boring maps, walking, etc, and you run the same hangar when you skip that you would run otherwise. But there are others that will tailor their hangars to just maps, and they will have an advantage.
For example, on moon map day, Pilot ABCDE will run 3 Thunder/Ork Lances and 2 aphid pattons. On Yam day, he will run a Gareth, 2 Trident Furys, and 2 Zeus Carneys. On DC day, its 3 ancilots and 2 DB Griffs. You get the picture. You still get to play all the maps, just on different days with different custom tailored gear.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 21, 2017 12:53:41 GMT -5
If the author of the letter in the OP from Pix is really qualified to represent that map skipping is okay, I think Pix is not realizing how short sighted that approach is, and the possible impact this could have on the game. Yes, most of you on the forum that skip maps don't do it to gain an advantage, you just don't like boring maps, walking, etc, and you run the same hangar when you skip that you would run otherwise. But there are others that will tailor their hangars to just maps, and they will have an advantage. For example, on moon map day, Pilot ABCDE will run 3 Thunder/Ork Lances and 2 aphid pattons. On Yam day, he will run a Gareth, 2 Trident Furys, and 2 Zeus Carneys. On DC day, its 3 ancilots and 2 DB Griffs. You get the picture. You still get to play all the maps, just on different days with different custom tailored gear. When you said: it conjured the phrase " Do you even Yam, bro?" to my mind! LOL
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Post by mechtout on Apr 21, 2017 12:59:48 GMT -5
well not sure if that muddies the water more on the ethics of skipping maps when pix says you should not be penalized, but you are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 13:03:23 GMT -5
it conjured the phrase " Do you even Yam, bro?" to my mind! LOL LMAO ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48. Never skip Yam day! We need to make T shirts.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 21, 2017 13:04:16 GMT -5
well not sure if that muddies the water more on the ethics of skipping maps when pix says you should not be penalized, but you are. As much as I hate map skipping... I feel less inclined to hate that than I do the sandbagging/ditching/leaving/AFK folk.
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Post by mechtout on Apr 21, 2017 13:08:34 GMT -5
If the author of the letter in the OP from Pix is really qualified to represent that map skipping is okay, I think Pix is not realizing how short sighted that approach is, and the possible impact this could have on the game. Yes, most of you on the forum that skip maps don't do it to gain an advantage, you just don't like boring maps, walking, etc, and you run the same hangar when you skip that you would run otherwise. But there are others that will tailor their hangars to just maps, and they will have an advantage. For example, on moon map day, Pilot ABCDE will run 3 Thunder/Ork Lances and 2 aphid pattons. On Yam day, he will run a Gareth, 2 Trident Furys, and 2 Zeus Carneys. On DC day, its 3 ancilots and 2 DB Griffs. You get the picture. You still get to play all the maps, just on different days with different custom tailored gear. You have good points, but if playing every map makes it a drag to a point that a player will quit the game, then skip away. The things about the large maps that are agony, the slow long walk to get to anything and less control when the blues are horrible, especially with this mm. Been playing every map and have gotten out of the LQ after a day, but map selection option would definitely be more enjoyable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 13:17:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I do agree with this. Better to fine tune than to quit. But I post what I do in these threads so that people know what the behavior could lead to. If it gets out of hand, everyone will be forced to map skip to only play their ideal hangar for each given map.
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Post by loren on Apr 21, 2017 13:26:38 GMT -5
A person late filling a map skipper is at very measurable disadvantage, as is the team that must bear the brunt of it. The current LQ criteria and filter is just fine for me in this regard. Until the competitive and non competitive leagues are fully fleshed out this is going to have to be how it is. We need Pix to finish the game modes... I agree this is close enough, time to move on. I understand that if I skip to many maps I get dumped into the LQ. Since the MM change, matches have been more balanced player wise. Still get the odd 12/12 hangar blowing through on their way back up but it is no different then clubbing of old. Not enough to be an issue for me to care, I would rather move on to the premature aphid explosion. Starting to remind me of the teen years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 15:12:52 GMT -5
Skip yam no more! With the new power of the fun and (massively) upgraded Cossack, the dash mk1 can make its way through yam in mere seconds!
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Post by Thumpmonkey1 on Apr 21, 2017 15:15:24 GMT -5
Have we considered that skipping a map where you are already a late replacement might be what's slipping through the cracks? I mean the ones where your timer jumps from 15 to 3 and then you start playing, already like 5 seconds behind everyone else. If you skip these all you'll see is the plenty of time left, but maybe pix considers you already in the match since it has actually begun? Just a thought...
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