Dion (UK)
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Post by Dion (UK) on Apr 20, 2017 11:12:53 GMT -5
I have my 13k wsp points, cant decide on fujin or carnage, i t would be a LONG time till i could get 2 or even 1 zeus for carnage but i would be retiring my vityaz which has 1 lev 6 thunder so would be an extra thunder purchased. For fujin i would prob start off with 2x level 6 molot mk2 and something else. I dont buy gold and really only play for fun, so any ideas?
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Apr 20, 2017 11:19:02 GMT -5
Carnage. It's more effective and is cheaper to outfit than the Fujin.
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Post by critter667 on Apr 20, 2017 11:28:42 GMT -5
Carnage comes equipped stock with 2 level 5 Thunders. You would not need to buy any.the fujin comes with 3 punisher mk2s.
As for the choice, my vote is the carnage. It is a much better choice and has 3 main uses that work even in higher tiers.
Start with the thunder carnage and save your WSP. Eventually you can buy 2 Tridents and use the Carnage as a mid range sniper. You could use zeuses instead but those are gold items and may be slow to acquire.
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Post by Scuzzbopper on Apr 20, 2017 11:33:36 GMT -5
Carnage. Watch adriannnnnn 's video about the Fujin (and Raijin)
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Apr 20, 2017 11:40:46 GMT -5
Here's the Math. To outfit a Fujin properly you will need at least 3 hydras or Tarans which would cost you another 16,950 WSP or 3 Orkans which is 3600 au.
The Carnage comes stock with 2 thunders which are useable right off the bat. 2 Tridents will cost you 15000 WSP which is still cheaper than 3 Tarans.
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Post by CLU 1.1 on Apr 20, 2017 11:50:52 GMT -5
What ^^^^they^^^^ said:
Carnage
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Apr 20, 2017 11:54:36 GMT -5
Here's the Math. To outfit a Fujin properly you will need at least 3 hydras or Tarans which would cost you another 16,950 WSP or 3 Orkans which is 3600 au. The Carnage comes stock with 2 thunders which are useable right off the bat. 2 Tridents will cost you 15000 WSP which is still cheaper than 3 Tarans. Why not use three Tulumbas?
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Apr 20, 2017 11:56:08 GMT -5
Here's the Math. To outfit a Fujin properly you will need at least 3 hydras or Tarans which would cost you another 16,950 WSP or 3 Orkans which is 3600 au. The Carnage comes stock with 2 thunders which are useable right off the bat. 2 Tridents will cost you 15000 WSP which is still cheaper than 3 Tarans. Why not use three Tulumbas? If you are going to use (yuck!) Tulus why not the RDB? The RDB is a silver bot.
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Post by Scuzzbopper on Apr 20, 2017 11:59:34 GMT -5
Why not use three Tulumbas? If you are going to use (yuck!) Tulus why not the RDB? The RDB is a silver bot. Slow reload and the Fujin is slow and wide. Your profile is gonna get you 「bum-bum」 hanging out to get shot up. 1 or 2 volleys until a plasma Grif eats your lunch.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Apr 20, 2017 12:01:05 GMT -5
Why not use three Tulumbas? If you are going to use (yuck!) Tulus why not the RDB? The RDB is a silver bot. I do use the RDB Griffin. I do not have a spider bot, so I just asked...
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Post by Dejnov on Apr 20, 2017 12:48:15 GMT -5
So I'm going to voice the other side and state the fujin is a great starting bot to buy. Punishers can do damage and disrupt anciles out to 500m and, when you have Au or more WSPs, you can replace them with Tarans and/or Orkans. This makes it a solid platform now and later in the game.
But the biggest reason to get the fujin vs. the carnage is that it forces you to buy medium slot weapons (tarans/orkans/punishers). These are the most versatile and used weapons in the game. You will use them continuously through to legend league play. With the pending introduction of the dash bots (and updated Rogatka)... they may move from being the majority right now to nearly 80% of all weapons in use.
Thunders, tridents, and Zeuses are more situational... they are also only used on 1 slot of your 5 (may be less with the introduction of the moon map) and don't translate to the other standard bots in the meta well (Griffins, Galahads, and Lances). For the Lance, you're going to probably want the Ancile instead, as Ancilot is the most used Lancelot in the meta right now, and that isn't useful for a carnage. Buying the Carnage forces you to buy and equip weapons that deviate time and Ag from broad applicability. Since neither bot is strongly in the meta, both bots are transitional platforms to stronger bots.
In summary: Buy the Fujin in anticipation of buying Tarans and Orkans down the road and eventually mounting them on other platforms. You'll get decent bang for your buck now and you'll work to upgrading weapons that have broad applicability down the road.
Dejnov.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Apr 20, 2017 12:56:39 GMT -5
So I'm going to voice the other side and state the fujin is a great starting bot to buy. Punishers can do damage and disrupt anciles out to 500m and, when you have Au or more WSPs, you can replace them with Tarans and/or Orkans. This makes it a solid platform now and later in the game. But the biggest reason to get the fujin vs. the carnage is that it forces you to buy medium slot weapons (tarans/orkans/punishers). These are the most versatile and used weapons in the game. You will use them continuously through to legend league play. With the pending introduction of the dash bots (and updated Rogatka)... they may move from being the majority right now to nearly 80% of all weapons in use. Thunders, tridents, and Zeuses are more situational... they are also only used on 1 slot of your 5 (may be less with the introduction of the moon map) and don't translate to the other standard bots in the meta well (Griffins, Galahads, and Lances). For the Lance, you're going to probably want the Ancile instead, as Ancilot is the most used Lancelot in the meta right now, and that isn't useful for a carnage. Buying the Carnage forces you to buy and equip weapons that deviate time and Ag from broad applicability. Since neither bot is strongly in the meta, both bots are transitional platforms to stronger bots. In summary: Buy the Fujin in anticipation of buying Tarans and Orkans down the road and eventually mounting them on other platforms. You'll get decent bang for your buck now and you'll work to upgrading weapons that have broad applicability down the road. Dejnov. If this is your argument then why buy the Fujin at all? Why not just buy griffins and then use the WSP for Tarans and magnums? The Griffin is more meta than the Fujin in both DB and plasma setups and is cheaper to outfit as well.
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Post by Dejnov on Apr 20, 2017 13:04:04 GMT -5
Won't disagree... I've suggested to my wife (who's just starting) to run a Griffin/Golem hangar (two of each) with punishers as her bronze hangar. Buy Tarans/Orkans as she levels up. (and the 5th slot of course).
Some people get bored running the same bot for their whole hangar (which is why she also gets golems). And a lot of people initially hate the Griffin. It's slow, jumps into walls, gets shot has no defense... etc. It definitely takes skill to learn how to use. But the best starting hangar is probably all Griffins or 3 Griffins and a Golem/Fujin.
I believe the magnums are fairly low on the list, but are easily purchasable at a later date given time and WSP needed.
Dejnov.
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Apr 21, 2017 6:10:42 GMT -5
My first WSP was a fujin, now i run my fujin with tarans (i have carnage also), i kill carnage thunders with my tarans and i kill fujin tarans with my carnage thunders lol.
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Post by frunobulax on Apr 21, 2017 7:28:40 GMT -5
I have my 13k wsp points, cant decide on fujin or carnage, i t would be a LONG time till i could get 2 or even 1 zeus for carnage but i would be retiring my vityaz which has 1 lev 6 thunder so would be an extra thunder purchased. For fujin i would prob start off with 2x level 6 molot mk2 and something else. I dont buy gold and really only play for fun, so any ideas? Depends on the rest of your hangar. Do you have enough Tarans, Magnums and Tridents? Do you own a Carnage? If you answer yes to all these questions, then I'd recommend Fujin
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Dion (UK)
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Post by Dion (UK) on Apr 21, 2017 7:34:24 GMT -5
I went for the carnage, more level up impatience incoming lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 7:40:21 GMT -5
I went for the carnage, more level up impatience incoming lol I recommend 6/6/6 before you permanently add it to your hangar. It's speed tops out at 9 which is another good upgrade goal.
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Dion (UK)
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Post by Dion (UK) on Apr 21, 2017 7:58:40 GMT -5
I recommend 6/6/6 before you permanently add it to your hangar. It's speed tops out at 9 which is another good upgrade goal. Almost there
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