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Post by dalek on Apr 20, 2017 7:52:00 GMT -5
Hello,
for the sake of diversity i want to get something that's not another griffin and i'm thinking about a
3x aphid + thunder leo
but since i haven't seen many of them i'm wondering whats the opinion about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 7:55:18 GMT -5
It's good, but one of the Aphids will explode on launch.
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Post by [apotheosis] on Apr 20, 2017 7:56:18 GMT -5
I ran pothead leo [aphid ancile] for quite a while. The problem is a firing bug. If you hit the big red button one aphid salvo always detonates as it fires off. If you single fire the bug is less common, but still happens.
With the thunder youll be holding that big red button down and consistently losing a third of your aphids.
Its not a bad build at all, just plagued by a bug.
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Post by dalek on Apr 20, 2017 8:29:28 GMT -5
hm.. bummer.
I was not aware of this bug, and its why i was considering a leo ( like a "3 slot aphid patton" with a thunder and loads more hull ).
Losing one slot voids the whole idea.
If i understood the issue its a slot positioning issue? The 2 light slots on one side are too close each other and the missiles hits each other?
Then its better replace one aphid with a magnum:
1x thunder
1x magnum ( in the light slot closer to the thunder)
2x aphid
but at this point maybe its better dropping the leo for a Natasha:
2x aphid
2x thunders
any thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 8:35:17 GMT -5
No. Just don't use them in general. You are better off using Aphids on a Griffin along with 2 Tarans or 2 Orkans.
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Post by dalek on Apr 20, 2017 8:49:43 GMT -5
No. Just don't use them in general. You are better off using Aphids on a Griffin along with 2 Tarans or 2 Orkans. I'm not saiing i don't see your point, and i knew this would come. that's why I statedI would like something that's not a griffin setup. Just for the sake of a change. its all: tulumbas+pin griffinor orkan+pinata griffinor orkan+magnum griffinor taran+magnum griffinor taran+aphid griffinWTH!!!! The more i play and read and the more it seems that everything else is crap, unless we start talking about lancelot. Its just sad ... I have already 2 griffins and would like to get something different. ( please do not suggest a rogatka ) Maybe i should just save the gold and stick with the silver builds i have now. |
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Post by boomsplat on Apr 20, 2017 8:50:55 GMT -5
dalek I run a 9/11 thunder aphid Leo in Expert 1 on iOS. Every time I think about swapping it out, I have yet another good run with it. While it is slow, it is a tank. I've been able to slug it out with a lot of other bots like ancelots because the Leo has the HP to go toe to toe. I use the thunder to drop shields and then pound them with my l12 aphids - you do have to cycle them off to avoid the premmie detonation. Using cover especially on Dead City allows me to use those aphids to wallop some red bots. This setup was supposed to be temporary but I've been running it for 5 months - will be replaced with a Lancelot that I still need to upgrade and the aphids will go to a Griffin. So I've been pleasantly surprised by it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 8:52:17 GMT -5
The I think you should use a Galahad or a Gareth. Those are fun if that's what you are looking for. I would never put Thunders on a Natasha and Aphids on a Leo are good, but only if all of them shoot.
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Post by frunobulax on Apr 20, 2017 9:07:18 GMT -5
Aphids were nerfed further a month ago. With the lower flight path I find that they are just not reliable enough. I run one Stuka Griffin, but my second pair of Aphids collects dust. Aphids are just too situational. You can avoid them by hugging a wall, you can reduce damage by stepping sideways, and even a Galahad can evade them completely by running sideways.
Thunder is of course recommended to go with the Aphids to take down the many Anciles you'll see.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 20, 2017 9:28:30 GMT -5
Other Aphid combos that aren't Griffs that I have used that worked for me, some are prolly not common, but just to give ya ideas:
Thunder Aphid Leo - Boomsplat laid it out nicely how this is best used so nothing to add.
Ork Aphid Galahad - Use it for the Aphids first and Orks once they decide to chase the Aphid bot and come to you... 1 ork alone is not enough burst to always use this guy as an aggressive alternative to Pinata Ork Gala. It is a sneak a peek bot that you use as both a destroyer of Targets of Opportunity and as a tag along to a Thunder or Ancile bot. Flank with it and you should be seeing decent success. Just a little tricky to manage the range differences, at first.
Taran Aphid Galahad - Similar to the Ork but you can stand and deliver some sustained Plasma when needed, as a secondary weapon. Still, use it as an Aphid bot... not a Taran bot, and it will do well.
Zeus Aphid Natty - This one is situational, but I have used it and I liked it... just not enough to run it continuously. I would rather Puns in the light spots on this build. It is nice when on short maps, get a bit of elevation and you can hit with the Zeus out to range, and pelt them with Aphids as they close. Zeus and Aphids together make a fearsome short range setup in a pinch... not great, but enough to either make them hurt enough to break off an attack or to take a good bit of damage before closing in on you and getting you with short range weapons.
Aphid Patton - 4 Aphids will cause pain. Bring the pain. Spread it. Revel in it. But don't get shot, or you will shatter like glass.
Aphid Jesse - A Patton on speed. Don't get hit by homing missiles and you can do a good bit of damage with it.
Aphid Gep - Fast Aphid boats that can do a surprising amount of damage, even up in the higher leagues. It helps to be a good Gep pilot, but even a scared one can do a lot of damage with 3x Aphids. Shoot and scoot applies, as does the warning for guided missiles. The Aphid Jesse and the Aphid Gep should be played very similar.
Aphid Stalker - Fast beacon thief that can pop enemies from cover and then stealth and run to new cover once closed with. Not to be ignored even if I have to let it go for a bit. When you drive one, you are always trying to get a beacon and always looking at the Battle around you for targets. Try not to get bogged down in a fight though, use the Aphids to make them hesitate to get you, then bail after firing. If Beacons are good or too defended, then stay on the fringes and pop into range, fire, and bail. Don't stick around to try and keep fighting.
IMO, YMMV
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Post by Prowler on Apr 20, 2017 9:36:05 GMT -5
Aphid short range, Leo slow hmmm. Unless you enemy gets close quickly o no aphid no good against fast bots.
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Post by Russel on Apr 20, 2017 10:31:20 GMT -5
Topmost Aphid is exploding, most probably due to hitting Hardpoint weapon.
If you want - you can mount two of Aphids, just don't use topmost slot.
However, I find this setup arguable at best.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 17:39:07 GMT -5
I'm not so impressed
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 17:52:58 GMT -5
Other Aphid combos that aren't Griffs that I have used that worked for me, some are prolly not common, but just to give ya ideas: ... Aphids on Rhino, with any medium weapon you prefer. The auto-target of the Aphid works wonders when your shield is up and you can't turn much. The Aphid ability to go over cover has also allowed me to kill guys that would otherwise have slipped away to safety when their health got low. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 20, 2017 17:56:01 GMT -5
Other Aphid combos that aren't Griffs that I have used that worked for me, some are prolly not common, but just to give ya ideas: ... Aphids on Rhino, with any medium weapon you prefer. The auto-target of the Aphid works wonders when your shield is up and you can't turn much. The Aphid ability to go over cover has also allowed me to kill guys that would otherwise have slipped away to safety when their health got low. Yes I've known clanmates that use that... and like it. I just don't run the Rhino... so did not want to assume I knew what I was talking about from guessing lol. But yes, thank you for adding that in there... it is definitely a boon to the Rhino due to the lack of mobility. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 18:37:09 GMT -5
The damage of a Pinata/Thunderdome Leo is good, but the reload time is way t0olong |
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Post by boomsplat on Apr 20, 2017 21:57:26 GMT -5
Ork Aphid Galahad - Use it for the Aphids first and Orks once they decide to chase the Aphid bot and come to you... 1 ork alone is not enough burst to always use this guy as an aggressive alternative to Pinata Ork Gala. It is a sneak a peek bot that you use as both a destroyer of Targets of Opportunity and as a tag along to a Thunder or Ancile bot. Flank with it and you should be seeing decent success. Just a little tricky to manage the range differences, at first. Taran Aphid Galahad - Similar to the Ork but you can stand and deliver some sustained Plasma when needed, as a secondary weapon. Still, use it as an Aphid bot... not a Taran bot, and it will do well. The aphid Galahad is a pretty interesting set up...I'm always surprised to find out the red bot that was pelting me with APHIDS was a Galahad....softened me up and then came in for the kill. Have you run aphids on a Galahad? I should just try it but I'm like a stick in the mud when it comes to changing up my bots. I just got my Gal up to 12/12 today but haven't brought it out for a spin, yet. |
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Post by Russel on Apr 21, 2017 2:32:02 GMT -5
Ork Aphid Galahad - Use it for the Aphids first and Orks once they decide to chase the Aphid bot and come to you... 1 ork alone is not enough burst to always use this guy as an aggressive alternative to Pinata Ork Gala. It is a sneak a peek bot that you use as both a destroyer of Targets of Opportunity and as a tag along to a Thunder or Ancile bot. Flank with it and you should be seeing decent success. Just a little tricky to manage the range differences, at first. Taran Aphid Galahad - Similar to the Ork but you can stand and deliver some sustained Plasma when needed, as a secondary weapon. Still, use it as an Aphid bot... not a Taran bot, and it will do well. The aphid Galahad is a pretty interesting set up...I'm always surprised to find out the red bot that was pelting me with APHIDS was a Galahad....softened me up and then came in for the kill. Have you run aphids on a Galahad? I should just try it but I'm like a stick in the mud when it comes to changing up my bots. I just got my Gal up to 12/12 today but haven't brought it out for a spin, yet. This, story of my life :-D And on topic - I think it's decent setup, keeping in mind that Gal is not strong enough for direct confrontation, but can change battle distance very quickly. |
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Post by carnage on Apr 21, 2017 2:40:37 GMT -5
Aphids were nerfed further a month ago. With the lower flight path I find that they are just not reliable enough. I run one Stuka Griffin, but my second pair of Aphids collects dust. Aphids are just too situational. You can avoid them by hugging a wall, you can reduce damage by stepping sideways, and even a Galahad can evade them completely by running sideways. Thunder is of course recommended to go with the Aphids to take down the many Anciles you'll see. Honestly, I agree.
Aphids are very, very underwhelming at this point. Completely useless against Gareths/Galahads that are too fast (and even when you connect, you get very little damage anyway), completely useless against newer bots which are fast also (including new Rog), not very useful against Anciles, in the end there is really not a lot of situations in which Aphids are really at their best.
I bought a few of them, and I regret it. They are not worth gold anymore, at this point.
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Post by hyderier on Apr 21, 2017 2:58:34 GMT -5
Aphids were nerfed further a month ago. With the lower flight path I find that they are just not reliable enough. I run one Stuka Griffin, but my second pair of Aphids collects dust. Aphids are just too situational. You can avoid them by hugging a wall, you can reduce damage by stepping sideways, and even a Galahad can evade them completely by running sideways. Thunder is of course recommended to go with the Aphids to take down the many Anciles you'll see. Honestly, I agree.
Aphids are very, very underwhelming at this point. Completely useless against Gareths/Galahads that are too fast (and even when you connect, you get very little damage anyway), completely useless against newer bots which are fast also (including new Rog), not very useful against Anciles, in the end there is really not a lot of situations in which Aphids are really at their best.
I bought a few of them, and I regret it. They are not worth gold anymore, at this point.
Yeah, I for one agree. Aphids need either better guidance/speed (so they actually hit more often), or more damage (so it's worth it to get a good positioning and timing for a better hit). While generally I'd favor the latter (requires more skill), it would benefit those with good connections more, so on a mobile game like this I'd choose the guidance/speed improvement. A game like this needs weapons for those with laggier connections, and Aphids IMO should be among those. |
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Post by frunobulax on Apr 21, 2017 3:45:54 GMT -5
They can still be effective. I love hanging on the ramp on Yama if the beacon is blue, shooting Aphids at approaching reds before they have line of sight to fire at me, or to attack robots on the bridge shooting beneath them. Also maps like Powerplant are good for them. I still prefer Stuka Griffin over DB Griffin.
And if you have 3 Aphids you can do some serious damage.
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Post by Russel on Apr 21, 2017 4:03:23 GMT -5
They can still be effective. I love hanging on the ramp on Yama if the beacon is blue, shooting Aphids at approaching reds before they have line of sight to fire at me, or to attack robots on the bridge shooting beneath them. Also maps like Powerplant are good for them. I still prefer Stuka Griffin over DB Griffin. And if you have 3 Aphids you can do some serious damage. With Leo you have like 2.5 Aphid, because top one is exploding randomly upon launch :-D |
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Post by frunobulax on Apr 21, 2017 4:09:35 GMT -5
Yeah :-) Never tried that myself. I run an Aphid Gepard sometimes just for fun, but as my Gep is only level 4 this is really a glass cannon  |
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Apr 21, 2017 6:00:04 GMT -5
Thunder aphids leo is good but i will use thunder magnums or thunder pinatas with leo
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 21, 2017 8:22:58 GMT -5
Ork Aphid Galahad - Use it for the Aphids first and Orks once they decide to chase the Aphid bot and come to you... 1 ork alone is not enough burst to always use this guy as an aggressive alternative to Pinata Ork Gala. It is a sneak a peek bot that you use as both a destroyer of Targets of Opportunity and as a tag along to a Thunder or Ancile bot. Flank with it and you should be seeing decent success. Just a little tricky to manage the range differences, at first. Taran Aphid Galahad - Similar to the Ork but you can stand and deliver some sustained Plasma when needed, as a secondary weapon. Still, use it as an Aphid bot... not a Taran bot, and it will do well. The aphid Galahad is a pretty interesting set up...I'm always surprised to find out the red bot that was pelting me with APHIDS was a Galahad....softened me up and then came in for the kill. Have you run aphids on a Galahad? I should just try it but I'm like a stick in the mud when it comes to changing up my bots. I just got my Gal up to 12/12 today but haven't brought it out for a spin, yet. I used both types but I preferred it with Ork for the medium weapon... It felt more in sync with the hit and run style that Aphids lend themselves to. And yes, what you experienced is what I try and make happen  |
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