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Post by Shahmatt on Apr 18, 2017 21:23:11 GMT -5
Looking at the numbers it seems that the Punisher Mk2 can be more damaging than Orkans.
But at a range of 300m, is it any good?
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Apr 18, 2017 21:28:21 GMT -5
Punishers are inconsistent above 200M, Orkans deliver the burst damage quicker so you can unload and hide faster than Punishers.
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Post by Shahmatt on Apr 18, 2017 21:38:55 GMT -5
Punishers are inconsistent above 200M, Orkans deliver the burst damage quicker so you can unload and hide faster than Punishers. Hmmm. For hit and run yes, but maybe for head on brawlers like the Boa or Lancelot, the Punisher might be more effective. Consider this: After 14 seconds, and at level 8, the Punisher Mk2 delivers 83600 damage, while the Orkans are only 46800 (assuming that they are fired continuously). That's a lot more damage. At 200m then I think they can be quite devastating. |
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Post by sonofsam on Apr 18, 2017 21:41:19 GMT -5
If you are using punishers vs orkind stay above 325m run backwards if you have to. At that range punishers do 70-80% of possible damage orkins do 0 damage.
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Post by zman on Apr 18, 2017 22:50:49 GMT -5
I run Punisher Ts on two bots, no they don't stand up rob orkans head to head, but the ability to put out lots of damage at up to 500m even if it's only half or a quarter the full spread is quite useful. Ironically, both Lances lost Orkans to gain their Punisher Ts and i don't really regret that decision. My Puncillelot easily takes out Trident Furies at 499m. And Linisher Ts can really take out a Leo or Griddin in short order.
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Post by 0ppressor on Apr 18, 2017 22:55:36 GMT -5
To those posting things like 'punisher is only doing x% damage @ y meters', where are you getting this data from?
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Post by Shahmatt on Apr 18, 2017 23:06:50 GMT -5
I run Punisher Ts on two bots, no they don't stand up rob orkans head to head, but the ability to put out lots of damage at up to 500m even if it's only half or a quarter the full spread is quite useful. Ironically, both Lances lost Orkans to gain their Punisher Ts and i don't really regret that decision. My Puncillelot easily takes out Trident Furies at 499m. And Linisher Ts can really take out a Leo or Griddin in short order. Thanks for the input. Also, the autocorrect on your device is hilarious! The Linisher T's must be extremely effective against Griddins, these Griddins no doubt being a mythical beast perhaps sighted in the "Strange Bots Seen in the Wild" thread. war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/666/strange-bots-wild |
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Post by hyderier on Apr 18, 2017 23:38:17 GMT -5
To those posting things like 'punisher is only doing x% damage @ y meters', where are you getting this data from? Numbers like that are generally pulled out of ones 「bum-bum」. So you gotta know the 「bum-bum」 to know how accurate they might be. |
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Post by DAKKA on Apr 19, 2017 6:30:22 GMT -5
To those posting things like 'punisher is only doing x% damage @ y meters', where are you getting this data from? That data is mined here warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/WeaponsKnowledge is Powa! |
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Post by zman on Apr 19, 2017 13:33:52 GMT -5
I run Punisher Ts on two bots, no they don't stand up rob orkans head to head, but the ability to put out lots of damage at up to 500m even if it's only half or a quarter the full spread is quite useful. Ironically, both Lances lost Orkans to gain their Punisher Ts and i don't really regret that decision. My Puncillelot easily takes out Trident Furies at 499m. And Linisher Ts can really take out a Leo or Griddin in short order. Thanks for the input. Also, the autocorrect on your device is hilarious! The Linisher T's must be extremely effective against Griddins, these Griddins no doubt being a mythical beast perhaps sighted in the "Strange Bots Seen in the Wild" thread. war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/666/strange-bots-wildAhh, screws the "f" and give them the "d" instead... Bahahaha |
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Post by 0ppressor on Apr 19, 2017 15:05:09 GMT -5
To those posting things like 'punisher is only doing x% damage @ y meters', where are you getting this data from? That data is mined here warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/WeaponsKnowledge is Powa! Interesting, I've been using this site: faq.Walking War Robots.mobi/hc/en-us/categories/200476591-Knowledge-base |
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Apr 19, 2017 15:06:12 GMT -5
No. The same reason Molots don't campare to Tulumbas.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Apr 19, 2017 15:23:51 GMT -5
The thing is , you have to be pickier with your targets with punishers. Not so much with orkans. Shielded bots are a non starter. I mean, you'll Nick them up, but orkans will just straight up dead them. So with punishers, you're always searching for squishy targets.
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Post by vigusfatbelly on Apr 19, 2017 16:12:27 GMT -5
Maybe it's just a matter of the platform one plays on, but in iOS, Punishers all the way. I've stated it before, several times.. given the same bots of equal level, the one with Punishers will beat the one with Orkan's, hands down.
The Orkan's close range puts you in retaliation danger pretty consistently. The punishers keep you mostly out of range of the damage of others retaliation strikes. But even up close, it's still punishers over orkans. Yes, Orkans do splash, but after the initial burst, it's over. Especially at higher levels.
when you mount them on things like a Griffen, or a Fujin, then you are pouring a massive amount of lead downrange at bots, and that's a win right there.
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Post by mijapi300 on Apr 19, 2017 17:29:19 GMT -5
To those posting things like 'punisher is only doing x% damage @ y meters', where are you getting this data from? That data is mined here warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/WeaponsKnowledge is Powa! Knowledge certainly is power, but nowhere on the site does it show statistics for damage potential at certain ranges for the weapons. |
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Apr 19, 2017 17:49:04 GMT -5
Maybe it's just a matter of the platform one plays on, but in iOS, Punishers all the way. I've stated it before, several times.. given the same bots of equal level, the one with Punishers will beat the one with Orkan's, hands down. The Orkan's close range puts you in retaliation danger pretty consistently. The punishers keep you mostly out of range of the damage of others retaliation strikes. But even up close, it's still punishers over orkans. Yes, Orkans do splash, but after the initial burst, it's over. Especially at higher levels. when you mount them on things like a Griffen, or a Fujin, then you are pouring a massive amount of lead downrange at bots, and that's a win right there. That maybe so but the Orkans are more popular not because of damage but because of Brit bots. These days brit bots are everywhere especially the Gary and the Galahad. Rocket splash are the hard counter for these bots. |
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on Apr 19, 2017 18:25:09 GMT -5
Maybe it's just a matter of the platform one plays on, but in iOS, Punishers all the way. I've stated it before, several times.. given the same bots of equal level, the one with Punishers will beat the one with Orkan's, hands down. The Orkan's close range puts you in retaliation danger pretty consistently. The punishers keep you mostly out of range of the damage of others retaliation strikes. But even up close, it's still punishers over orkans. Yes, Orkans do splash, but after the initial burst, it's over. Especially at higher levels. when you mount them on things like a Griffen, or a Fujin, then you are pouring a massive amount of lead downrange at bots, and that's a win right there. What if the bots are 2 Galahads? |
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Post by Shahmatt on Apr 20, 2017 1:21:38 GMT -5
Don't the punishers do some damage to the exposed areas around the shield? Are they totally ineffective against shielded bots?
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Post by ΜØØSE on Apr 20, 2017 1:29:24 GMT -5
Punishers are inconsistent above 200M, Orkans deliver the burst damage quicker so you can unload and hide faster than Punishers. Hmmm. For hit and run yes, but maybe for head on brawlers like the Boa or Lancelot, the Punisher might be more effective. Consider this: After 14 seconds, and at level 8, the Punisher Mk2 delivers 83600 damage, while the Orkans are only 46800 (assuming that they are fired continuously). That's a lot more damage. At 200m then I think they can be quite devastating. 14 seconds is an eternity in knife fight. If I'm blowing orkans and my opponent still exists after 8 seconds I'm doing something wrong. |
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Post by er1k on Apr 20, 2017 1:52:58 GMT -5
Yes, they do slight damage to shield bots (just like Thunders). However, you will still mainly hit the shield and you need to break it, before you can actually inflict significant amounts of damage.
You might be able to kill an almost dead shield bot that way though. I sometimes do that with my Thunder Carnage.
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Post by Shahmatt on Apr 20, 2017 2:10:55 GMT -5
14 seconds is an eternity in knife fight. If I'm blowing orkans and my opponent still exists after 8 seconds I'm doing something wrong. So the way the Orkans fire the initial damage is higher. So at around 3 seconds the Orkans have delivered around 32k damage but the Punisher only 22k. But at 5 seconds the Punisher damage is about equal to the Orkans: 35k to 34k. And after 5 seconds it just widens considerably. So if you can last 5 seconds you'll be doing the same damage as Orkans, and if you want to keep at it you'll be doing even more. |
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Post by tekkamanblade on Apr 20, 2017 2:17:33 GMT -5
Damage on paper, of course the longer exposure weapon,shorter range weapon will win. It is a must to keep the game balance.
You are exposing yourself risking your life for more damage output.
Otherwise, a fury can just unload weapon X at 1000m in 2 sec and one shot someone and game will be unplayable.
Game balance requires
1.Time to unload a clip| longer, total damage higher(tdh)
2.Time to fully reload | longer, tdh
3.Max distance | longer, tdlower
4.Bullet spread or not | spread wider, tdh
5.Area damage or not | yes, tdlower
6.Energy shield ignore or not | yes, tdlower
Compare to punisher
Orkan damage should be 1.lower 2.higher 3.higher 4.lower 5.lower 6.even
Some parameter outweight others
Enough for my crap, back to question
At any distance <300m no hiding no move full hp, punisher better.
hiding and move and half hp, Orkan better, it will damage your weapon in 2 sec and you lose your punisher guns.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 3:14:46 GMT -5
Punishers do not turn bots to slag in seconds, Orks do!
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Post by vigusfatbelly on Apr 20, 2017 15:07:58 GMT -5
Maybe it's just a matter of the platform one plays on, but in iOS, Punishers all the way. I've stated it before, several times.. given the same bots of equal level, the one with Punishers will beat the one with Orkan's, hands down. The Orkan's close range puts you in retaliation danger pretty consistently. The punishers keep you mostly out of range of the damage of others retaliation strikes. But even up close, it's still punishers over orkans. Yes, Orkans do splash, but after the initial burst, it's over. Especially at higher levels. when you mount them on things like a Griffen, or a Fujin, then you are pouring a massive amount of lead downrange at bots, and that's a win right there. What if the bots are 2 Galahads? Brit bots can be a problem, but I'm starting to find that as long as I pay attention to them, they are not as bad as they used to be. Yes, the shield presents some issues. But with some adroit piloting, they can be overcome. The thing is, really, you have to judge the bot you are driving in regards to the bot you are attacking. For instance, if you are in a Rog and are just flat out attacking a brit bot because you are armed with Orkans, then that's just stupid. The Orkans don't do enough damage on their own to take out the Brit bot. For that matter, no single bot armed with just Orkans is a match for a brit bot. None. BUT, in the case of (I use this often) the Griff, you can arm it with just punishers and PunisherTT's, and you *can* take out a brit bot. Any of the three, even if they are at full health. It's just a matter of using your bot and it's load out correctly. Granted, in my experience the only bot armed with just Punishers that *can* take out a brit bot is the Griff. But that's because of the amount of lead it throws down range. |
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