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Post by EatStinkyTofu on Sept 27, 2016 22:24:24 GMT -5
Does anyone run stalkers in gold tier? What level? I kind of miss my stalker--I mothballed it after the WSP penalty was killing my silver tier hangar and haven't touched it in a long time.
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Post by Duodec on Sept 28, 2016 11:32:56 GMT -5
People definitely run stalkers, but it seems preferred to just run a Rhino instead, especially when clanning, so you can hold that beacon you capped.
That being said, I'm no expert.
Edit: I totally forgot about the Galahad. Much more survivable than the stalker, and deadly in the right hands.
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Post by DogTrail on Sept 29, 2016 5:35:56 GMT -5
There still are Stalkers in gold tier, especially in low gold. The thing is, by this point, many (if not most/all) pilots in low gold know how to deal with and kill Stalkers. So, they've become to gold tier what Cossacks are in lower tiers - basically running around turning beacons, but not really holding any. So in small maps like Shenzen where beacons are generally easy to defend, they're very limited in my opinion.
I have a Stalker, and it's left behind in high silver (L6), gathering dust in my storage. I only maintain a low silver hangar (3/10-11 lights, 3/9 mediums) and my main/gold hangar (8/10-11). So there's no place for my Stalker anymore.
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Post by BLYTHE on Sept 29, 2016 22:17:00 GMT -5
Haven't used a stalker in a while--they don't last all that long in gold tier. plus the damage they do is minimal.
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Post by DogTrail on Sept 30, 2016 0:16:53 GMT -5
^^Damage is minimal, yes. And this probably has a lot to do with the Magnum nerf.
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Post by 《₩hirl》 on Oct 1, 2016 7:54:23 GMT -5
Hey, what exactly are the magnum's new nerf? I've noticed a significant drop in they're accuracy. I used to happily run a pair on my stalker. Now for some reason I can't hit the fat side of a barn with those things.
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Post by Duodec on Oct 1, 2016 10:50:04 GMT -5
It was actually nerfed a while back with a 10% reduced firing speed. The newest inaccuracies are very likely a bug.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Oct 1, 2016 15:31:52 GMT -5
Top end hangars simply don't have room for a stalker. The damage reduction you face when compared to having another knifer in the line up is simply too big a handicap.
A PDF or DB Rhino can easily get 1-2 kills (100k damage easily). A stalker won't get nearly those numbers. In addition the Rhino can effectively run beacons and hold them far longer than a stalker can.
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Post by DogTrail on Oct 2, 2016 22:49:50 GMT -5
It's been a while since the nerf, yes. Fire rate was slowed, and accuracy as well. you now have to kind of lead your shots like you do with rockets. Accuracy also seems to lessen with distance. The distance inaccuracy seems to apply to Tarans as well.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Oct 3, 2016 2:04:26 GMT -5
The magnum's been nerfed but the clubbers are still ever lurking...
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Post by BLYTHE on Oct 3, 2016 2:35:01 GMT -5
Top end hangars simply don't have room for a stalker. The damage reduction you face when compared to having another knifer in the line up is simply too big a handicap. A PDF or DB Rhino can easily get 1-2 kills (100k damage easily). A stalker won't get nearly those numbers. In addition the Rhino can effectively run beacons and hold them far longer than a stalker can. Exactly. I've only got 5 slots (wish I had 7 sometimes the way I play) so I'm not going to waste it on something like a stalker. Sure you can cap beacons but what's the point if you can't defend it? Besides, gold tier is about getting a lot of damage to fuel your silver-hungry hangar that's always in need of upgrading. |
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Post by DogTrail on Oct 3, 2016 3:04:24 GMT -5
Well, back when I still had my Stalker in my regular hangar, I'd use it (and only it) to achieve the task 150k damage in a single battle using a light robot. Of course, it took ages and a lot of care to get there.
I do think that Stalkers have a unique role in the game - when you're having a hard time taking or holding center beacon, it can be used to try to capture the red team's side beacon and divert their attention. The thing is, I don't see many Stalkers doing this. Most try to stand and fight, and many in gold tier have figured out how to handle a Stalker by then. Of course, any of the game's fastest bots can fit this role, but the stealth ability makes the Stalker the best one for this.
But, as said by alteregoblythe, silver farming is also very important in gold tier, and a Stalker isn't much help in that aspect.
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Post by Kinetic1 on Oct 3, 2016 4:30:29 GMT -5
^ dude, use three or four lights and knock that task out in one game!
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Post by DogTrail on Oct 3, 2016 21:27:24 GMT -5
Kinetic, that was a long time ago.  Back before I realized I could put together a silver hangar for tasks like that. |
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Post by RightOn on Oct 11, 2016 1:31:35 GMT -5
I'm starting to believe that Stalker needs aphids to remain relevant.
Sure you have like 8 seconds to peg away with mags, which is something like 60k possible damage. That's really pretty good.
But with Aphids you can deal a potential 35k all in one swoop, saving your paper thin hide from waiting behind a timer.
Goodnite
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Post by LeonF on Oct 11, 2016 5:05:47 GMT -5
I find Stalkers more of a distraction than a danger in Gold. They are far too susceptible to the bigger splash damage and effective mid/long range weapons than lower down. They are still good runners but have lower survival chances close up - and Stalker pilots generally seem to ignore the fact they aren't true knifers.
I'll admit there are a few very good ones still but many are Zeus/Trident fodder
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Post by DogTrail on Oct 11, 2016 5:20:57 GMT -5
Yeah, occasionally there is somebody who is very good with an unusual bot.
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Back before I realized I could put together a silver hangar for tasks like that.
