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Post by NexusBlade on Aug 25, 2024 23:34:12 GMT -5
Thanks to some info I have received from a source that wishes to remain anonymous, I am unfortunately gifted with the knowledge of what is plausible to happen to all these modules we have built up over the years, certain specifics aren't available yet and obviously nothing is officially announced yet... but this should give us a good idea of what will happen, so take it for what you will. I have my own theories, in any case here is what to expect:
1. All current modules, and yes that includes all your stockpiles of Last Stands, NA's RA's and IA's, likely also Titan Modules... All of it gone.
2. Existing modules will be converted into a new currency at an abysmal conversion rate.
3. Each bot will have its own individual built in upgrade tree for module like boosts, and they are non transferable.
"4." This part is purely my own speculation, I have a feeling the skills will be non identical as to compound with the effects of Intel, so older bots will get mediocre boosts, and newer bots get boosts better than anything before them with no way of customizing the way a bot works further like you can now... Thinking of what they did with Drones.
So yeah... In summary, we're 「fluffernutter」ed... well I guess triple 「fluffernutter」ed at this point. Woo?
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Post by Wolfblood7 on Aug 26, 2024 1:35:22 GMT -5
Source?
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Post by NexusBlade on Aug 26, 2024 2:02:54 GMT -5
They prefer not to be named and asked I not mention them as I could get them in trouble, so unfortunately I can't give the exact source, Whether you consider this all likely or dismiss it is up to you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But I have seen the concept renders and the primary leaker handled several prior leaks so I'm tentatively trusting the specifics I've heard for now, and I figured the community deserves to know roughly whats coming. Whether the final rework turns out like this or not is a matter of time, again take it for what you will. |
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Post by gus169 on Aug 26, 2024 3:33:45 GMT -5
thanks NexusBladeI'm glad I've been so slack about upgrading modules |
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Aug 26, 2024 4:33:16 GMT -5
So pretty much what we have come to expect considering the previous incarnations of "no Vaseline" antics from pixonic with drones, boosters, mothership turrets etc. etc.
Which also reminds me when motherships were first released how they promised they would be easily avoidable and now they have one where the laser blast follows you wherever you go.....
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Post by Wolfblood7 on Aug 26, 2024 6:10:05 GMT -5
They prefer not to be named and asked I not mention them as I could get them in trouble, so unfortunately I can't give the exact source, Whether you consider this all likely or dismiss it is up to you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But I have seen the concept renders and the primary leaker handled several prior leaks so I'm tentatively trusting the specifics I've heard for now, and I figured the community deserves to know roughly whats coming. Whether the final rework turns out like this or not is a matter of time, again take it for what you will. It's just to know how reliable it is. Pixonic employee? Random discord user? Reddit? Any official war robots accounts? |
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Post by dinnerplain on Aug 26, 2024 7:04:00 GMT -5
They prefer not to be named and asked I not mention them as I could get them in trouble, so unfortunately I can't give the exact source, Whether you consider this all likely or dismiss it is up to you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But I have seen the concept renders and the primary leaker handled several prior leaks so I'm tentatively trusting the specifics I've heard for now, and I figured the community deserves to know roughly whats coming. Whether the final rework turns out like this or not is a matter of time, again take it for what you will. It's just to know how reliable it is. Pixonic employee? Random discord user? Reddit? Any official war robots accounts?
Your mother. Stop asking a question that nobody wants answered except Pixonic spies.
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Post by dinnerplain on Aug 26, 2024 7:13:56 GMT -5
Thanks to some info I have received from a source that wishes to remain anonymous, I am unfortunately gifted with the knowledge of what is plausible to happen to all these modules we have built up over the years, certain specifics aren't available yet and obviously nothing is officially announced yet... but this should give us a good idea of what will happen, so take it for what you will. I have my own theories, in any case here is what to expect: 1. All current modules, and yes that includes all your stockpiles of Last Stands, NA's RA's and IA's, likely also Titan Modules... All of it gone. 2. Existing modules will be converted into a new currency at an abysmal conversion rate. 3. Each bot will have its own individual built in upgrade tree for module like boosts, and they are non transferable. "4." This part is purely my own speculation, I have a feeling the skills will be non identical as to compound with the effects of Intel, so older bots will get mediocre boosts, and newer bots get boosts better than anything before them with no way of customizing the way a bot works further like you can now... Thinking of what they did with Drones. So yeah... In summary, we're ãfluffernutterãed... well I guess triple ãfluffernutterãed at this point. Woo?
It's more about control. Pixonic controlling the game. Controlling what attributes a bot can and can't have. They'll sell it as "Now you know what to expect when facing XYZ", but it all comes down to control. Just like it was with drones. They don't want us to build or use what feels right for us and suits our game style, they want us to use robots that they will decide for us.
You want to use a robot that does phase shift? Well then you need to use robot X. If you want to use a robot with extra speed, you have to use robots Y or Z.
I'm surprised they haven't decided that T3 robots can't use T4 weapons, ultimate weapons can only be used on ultimate robots, and so forth. And make up some arbitrary excuse about why T4 weapons no longer work on T3 robots.
Part of this is economic (non-transferable), part of this is (I suspect) just Russian mentality where the government decides things and you just go along with it because the government knows best. Whereas being able to customise things democratized things by empowering players to decide how they wanted to play, that decision making is being taken away from players and Pixonic decides how you will play (or not play.)
And if this wasn't all, in a total 「fluffernutter」-you to players, they've recently started selling modules in the daily specials to encourage people to spend money now and then again after the rework goes live. The people that run this game are complete and utter 「multiple bum-bums」. Wish they'd all end up conscripts to fight in Ukraine.
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Post by munkeeee on Aug 26, 2024 7:57:04 GMT -5
hahaha, this game is soooooooo 「fluffernutter」ed.
this is gonna push even more folks out the door.
damn shame.
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Post by gus169 on Aug 26, 2024 8:22:37 GMT -5
Cartman- Bring out yer dead! (CLANG) Bring out yer dead! (CLANG)
Punter- Here's one.
Cartman- Nine pence.
Game- I'm not dead.
Cartman- What?
Punter- Nothing. Here's your nine pence.
Game- I'm not dead!
Cartman- 'Ere. He says he's not dead.
Punter- Yes he is.
Game- I'm not!
Cartman- He isn't.
Punter- Well, he will be soon. He's very ill.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Aug 26, 2024 9:02:37 GMT -5
Well fortunately, I have it directly from Pix that they review feedback and prioritize issues with multiple submissions, so if we all submit feedback that we hate this idea, I'm sure they'll scrap it, right?  Right??? |
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Post by dinnerplain on Aug 26, 2024 10:15:33 GMT -5
2. Existing modules will be converted into a new currency at an abysmal conversion rate.
If I were Pixonic, I'd have learned from the module rework and the initial plan for conversion would be disastrous so that when I negoiated a better conversion for players, I'd still be screwing over the players but letting them feel like they'd "won" something.
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Post by Eradicator1 on Aug 26, 2024 11:23:01 GMT -5
I’m sure as always it was done to grab more cash. But maybe this will work out for the good. Like with the near removal of all the purple panties that were absolutely everywhere a few years ago. Those things were everywhere and it was getting crazy with how much you could not shoot anything. One things for sure, with all the stuff pix changes and adds, the play style never gets dull.
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Post by munkeeee on Aug 26, 2024 11:47:47 GMT -5
I’m sure as always it was done to grab more cash. But maybe this will work out for the good. Like with the near removal of all the purple panties that were absolutely everywhere a few years ago. Those things were everywhere and it was getting crazy with how much you could not shoot anything. One things for sure, with all the stuff pix changes and adds, the play style never gets dull. sadly, the purple, blue, yellow, red, and every other color in the rainbow shields are back, and with a vengeance. At least before they were timed. Now its like every damn bot has one, and they last FOR-EVER!!!! |
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Post by 0megaman on Aug 26, 2024 12:28:57 GMT -5
The module rework is related to the bigger plan, of which intel is a big part of. Pigsonic has to level-set and re-baseline everything currently in play, so that everything that comes after (that spenders will dump cash into) doesnt have to worry about competing against older equipment that was thoughtfully and strategically setup for effectiveness.
Modules are a huge mess, and some of their features are damn inconvenient for Pigsonics plan. The best way to deal with that mess is to simply take all of them away from everyone, and make everyone start over with whatever BS becomes available... which of course will NOT be readily available to F2P in any way, and the legendary spenders will again have the run of the field.
I expect older drones and motherships to be revisited again, whether announced or stealth nerf'd.
Pigsonic will, of course, try to spin all of it as "We rebalanced the entire game just for YOU, our BELOVED Commanders! See how much we care about you!". F2P is intentionally being chased off, that much is clear to me. I still wouldnt be surprised if at some point Pigsonic goes to a minimum subscription model just to even play the game.
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Post by killmenow on Aug 26, 2024 13:29:11 GMT -5
The module rework is related to the bigger plan, of which intel is a big part of. Pigsonic has to level-set and re-baseline everything currently in play, so that everything that comes after (that spenders will dump cash into) doesnt have to worry about competing against older equipment that was thoughtfully and strategically setup for effectiveness. Modules are a huge mess, and some of their features are damn inconvenient for Pigsonics plan. The best way to deal with that mess is to simply take all of them away from everyone, and make everyone start over with whatever BS becomes available... which of course will NOT be readily available to F2P in any way, and the legendary spenders will again have the run of the field. I expect older drones and motherships to be revisited again, whether announced or stealth nerf'd. Pigsonic will, of course, try to spin all of it as "We rebalanced the entire game just for YOU, our BELOVED Commanders! See how much we care about you!". F2P is intentionally being chased off, that much is clear to me. I still wouldnt be surprised if at some point Pigsonic goes to a minimum subscription model just to even play the game. here's the problem or some of them at least. they are attempting to get rid of f2p that's pretty clear and has been for a while or at the very least force people into spending more and more (which i wont do) BUT they also need free to play because they need something to put the spenders against in most cases hence clear game rigging. so lets say the push out the remaining f2p .....the spenders who love love love to win and will except nothing less will now have to face competitive champions who actually enjoy fighting other actual skilled players , so now those who pay for everything to get that ego fix of winning and slaughtering entire teams will have to face people CAPABLE of fighting back and will obviously lose in the process so they are start to dwindle (i paid to win not to lose right!!!!) why would they bother staying ......so again the player base takes another large nosedive which in turn means longer waiting times ever increasing to the point there will be none. the p2win crowed that paid to actually win and now start losing against EVEN TEAMS (the ones that stay at least) will hack even more than they are doing already and many are...and thus you got looong wait times ....for actual decent players for them to join games with never ending hackers. DEAD GAME! |
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Post by munkeeee on Aug 26, 2024 14:10:39 GMT -5
The module rework is related to the bigger plan, of which intel is a big part of. Pigsonic has to level-set and re-baseline everything currently in play, so that everything that comes after (that spenders will dump cash into) doesnt have to worry about competing against older equipment that was thoughtfully and strategically setup for effectiveness. Modules are a huge mess, and some of their features are damn inconvenient for Pigsonics plan. The best way to deal with that mess is to simply take all of them away from everyone, and make everyone start over with whatever BS becomes available... which of course will NOT be readily available to F2P in any way, and the legendary spenders will again have the run of the field. I expect older drones and motherships to be revisited again, whether announced or stealth nerf'd. Pigsonic will, of course, try to spin all of it as "We rebalanced the entire game just for YOU, our BELOVED Commanders! See how much we care about you!". F2P is intentionally being chased off, that much is clear to me. I still wouldnt be surprised if at some point Pigsonic goes to a minimum subscription model just to even play the game. here's the problem or some of them at least. they are attempting to get rid of f2p that's pretty clear and has been for a while or at the very least force people into spending more and more (which i wont do) BUT they also need free to play because they need something to put the spenders against in most cases hence clear game rigging. so lets say the push out the remaining f2p .....the spenders who love love love to win and will except nothing less will now have to face competitive champions who actually enjoy fighting other actual skilled players , so now those who pay for everything to get that ego fix of winning and slaughtering entire teams will have to face people CAPABLE of fighting back and will obviously lose in the process so they are start to dwindle (i paid to win not to lose right!!!!) why would they bother staying ......so again the player base takes another large nosedive which in turn means longer waiting times ever increasing to the point there will be none. the p2win crowed that paid to actually win and now start losing against EVEN TEAMS (the ones that stay at least) will hack even more than they are doing already and many are...and thus you got looong wait times ....for actual decent players for them to join games with never ending hackers. DEAD GAME! Summed it up perfectly, with a bow and a side of thanks. 「fluffernutter」 this game |
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Post by NexusBlade on Aug 26, 2024 15:19:09 GMT -5
thanks NexusBladeI'm glad I've been so slack about upgrading modules Yeah no problem, Granted I presume maxed modules will probably yield more "modules" Yes I know stupid name for the currency... However Im not sure if the ratio will be much better, and any numbers at this point would be subject to change anyways especially given no one is supposed to know about this to begin with lol. My expectations in the end is a large stockpile of maxed modules for multiple hangers will give you enough to maybe max a couple bots in one hanger, but only time will tell. |
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Post by Thunderkiss on Aug 26, 2024 15:29:09 GMT -5
So pretty much what we have come to expect considering the previous incarnations of "no Vaseline" antics from pixonic with drones, boosters, mothership turrets etc. etc. Which also reminds me when motherships were first released how they promised they would be easily avoidable and now they have one where the laser blast follows you wherever you go..... Oh there's vaseline involved..... too bad it's full of 「fluffernutter」ing sand. |
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Post by easystrider on Aug 26, 2024 17:20:18 GMT -5
Does anybody else get a feeling like they gave up on being creative and just redoing 「dookie」?
Sure, there was always OP meta but at least you were always curious what new unique capability it would have. Now you have curie, been there done that with mars, dagon, just more shields and weapons, shenlou, recycled scorpion idea and etc. What the heck did intel add to the game? How is the module rework going to change your playing experience other than trying to replace 「dookie」 you already had? You also have fifty thousand different weapons with many of them working in similar, if not the same way. And more of them coming for sure.
They clearly have run out of the ideas if module rework is the most important thing they can think of to do.
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Post by dinnerplain on Aug 26, 2024 17:53:14 GMT -5
Modules are a huge mess, and some of their features are damn inconvenient for Pigsonics plan. The best way to deal with that mess is to simply take all of them away from everyone, and make everyone start over with whatever BS becomes available... which of course will NOT be readily available to F2P in any way, and the legendary spenders will again have the run of the field.
This. 1000% this. If there's anything that I learned from the drone rework it is that drones (or the ones worth having) are much harder to get for F2P. Well even for P2W, the good new drones are always from "random prizes" or ocassionally special offers, never available in the "store" to buy.
Is this game heading towards P2P? ( Pay 2 play) With the amount of ads being served up daily, it pretty much already is.
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Post by killmenow on Aug 26, 2024 18:10:34 GMT -5
Modules are a huge mess, and some of their features are damn inconvenient for Pigsonics plan. The best way to deal with that mess is to simply take all of them away from everyone, and make everyone start over with whatever BS becomes available... which of course will NOT be readily available to F2P in any way, and the legendary spenders will again have the run of the field.
This. 1000% this. If there's anything that I learned from the drone rework it is that drones (or the ones worth having) are much harder to get for F2P. Well even for P2W, the good new drones are always from "random prizes" or ocassionally special offers, never available in the "store" to buy.
Is this game heading towards P2P? ( Pay 2 play) With the amount of ads being served up daily, it pretty much already is.
i doubt it will go P2P simply because they make far more from the p2win crowed , if you add p2win and then top it off with P2P then the cost outweighs the benefits by a mile ....since they will never remove the p2win factor more and more would leave right away as the overall cost would be excessive. as we know they never fix anything beyond the money factor (if it's causing trouble and losing them money) they ignore the massive amount of problems that exist and have existed for a long long time you'd expect MORE from them if you have to pay to play and we know full well that wont happen. there's tons of games that have made a bundle on the monthly sub factor , this monthly sub gets you stable fair gameplay regular updates/fixes new things released and hackers dealt with fast , all of it included in this monthly sub with no extra cost and pixonics greed wouldn't do any of that. |
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Post by killmenow on Aug 26, 2024 18:16:39 GMT -5
Does anybody else get a feeling like they gave up on being creative and just redoing 「dookie」? Sure, there was always OP meta but at least you were always curious what new unique capability it would have. Now you have curie, been there done that with mars, dagon, just more shields and weapons, shenlou, recycled scorpion idea and etc. What the heck did intel add to the game? How is the module rework going to change your playing experience other than trying to replace 「dookie」 you already had? You also have fifty thousand different weapons with many of them working in similar, if not the same way. And more of them coming for sure. They clearly have run out of the ideas if module rework is the most important thing they can think of to do. i said that ages ago they where lacking in idea's lol .....the very first thing i said when mars came out ....was....well that's a reskinned leo lol practically identical there's others too.... |
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Post by easystrider on Aug 26, 2024 19:01:46 GMT -5
Is this game heading towards P2P? ( Pay 2 play) With the amount of ads being served up daily, it pretty much already is.
I don't think there will be anything new in that regard. If you want to be competitive in Champions League and above you have to pay, it's been like that for a while. And in lower leagues you'll be able to compete without paying and even have fairly good W/L rate as you advance. It's that "free sample" to get you hooked. I think this business model has served them well and they'll stick with it. The issue is, imo, is that they don't know where else to take this game without causing more lags, performance problems and of course heck of a more work for themselves. They could, for example, add tanks to the game or smaller robot swarms and etc but it will make game even more complicated and run even worse. So their solution is, it seems, is to just sell you the same crap over and over again. What is the ultimate robot/weapon collection? Just the same thing you already have repackaged. They just boosted the stats, slapped on new paint jobs and voila, they have a new item to sell without having to work too much. What was the drone rework? Again, just selling you the same thing again. |
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Post by munkeeee on Aug 26, 2024 19:23:12 GMT -5
after being a little disgruntled about things, I HOPE I have found a silver lining. F2P will just get knocked down the ladder, without purposely tanking, and the whales can have their champs league back. The champs league symbol should be changed to a golden rotating money sign of your present or home countries designation and let them throw their wallets at each other. I am already teetering on champs again, occasionally getting knocked back down to masters. Not that it matters much, but at least it's a little easier to manage instead of being whale food.
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Post by hereforprizes on Aug 26, 2024 19:51:53 GMT -5
If this goes ahead this will be the last straw for me and I suspect a lot of players. If you can’t customise a bot to your liking a little or have a (misplaced?) sense of retaining/ transferring value somehow then there are plenty of alternative shooter games that are just as limited, so why pay Pix a premium? And people are just tired of being screwed by Pix. The fact that I’m now in Legend League, despite not running the latest bots or paying that much shows just how many players, particularly P2win have left already. The game has been severely dumbed down already, and is in real danger of being just another shooter game. I can get that free elsewhere.
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Post by Jeb on Aug 26, 2024 20:14:41 GMT -5
Does anybody else get a feeling like they gave up on being creative and just redoing 「dookie」? The creators left a long time ago. |
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Post by easystrider on Aug 26, 2024 22:49:02 GMT -5
Does anybody else get a feeling like they gave up on being creative and just redoing 「dookie」? The creators left a long time ago. Supposedly some of them are making a new robot game, Armor Attack. I'm optimistic but also mindful of the fact that their other efforts such as Battle of Titans went nowhere. I am done with War Robots for now though. Not in a mood for the same reheated dish over and over again. |
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Post by dinnerplain on Aug 27, 2024 2:39:15 GMT -5
If this goes ahead this will be the last straw for me and I suspect a lot of players. If you can’t customise a bot to your liking a little or have a (misplaced?) sense of retaining/ transferring value somehow then there are plenty of alternative shooter games that are just as limited, so why pay Pix a premium? And people are just tired of being screwed by Pix. The fact that I’m now in Legend League, despite not running the latest bots or paying that much shows just how many players, particularly P2win have left already. The game has been severely dumbed down already, and is in real danger of being just another shooter game. I can get that free elsewhere.
As an FYI, when I (and many others) started playing there were no modules. But that was before the age of "latest meta". When all that you've got is T1 and T2 robots & weapons, you can have very challenging games and not really miss modules/pilots.
But once they started with the T3 abilities, modules were required. Other robots need capability to counter the native ability of the oppposing robot. That was, however, before pilots.
As I've said before, War Robots is now an advertising platform where the owners make more money from ads than they do p2win.
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Post by hereforprizes on Aug 27, 2024 3:03:35 GMT -5
If this goes ahead this will be the last straw for me and I suspect a lot of players. If you can’t customise a bot to your liking a little or have a (misplaced?) sense of retaining/ transferring value somehow then there are plenty of alternative shooter games that are just as limited, so why pay Pix a premium? And people are just tired of being screwed by Pix. The fact that I’m now in Legend League, despite not running the latest bots or paying that much shows just how many players, particularly P2win have left already. The game has been severely dumbed down already, and is in real danger of being just another shooter game. I can get that free elsewhere.
As an FYI, when I (and many others) started playing there were no modules. But that was before the age of "latest meta". When all that you've got is T1 and T2 robots & weapons, you can have very challenging games and not really miss modules/pilots.
But once they started with the T3 abilities, modules were required. Other robots need capability to counter the native ability of the oppposing robot. That was, however, before pilots.
As I've said before, War Robots is now an advertising platform where the owners make more money from ads than they do p2win.
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