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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 14, 2024 15:04:57 GMT -5
As the topic says, long-time player (Shocktrain Bulgasari anyone?) who left the game almost 2 years ago. Starting to get back into it as my son has decided to start playing seriously. My old Champs hangar wss sitting high in Master 1 when I left, and after playing 4-5 matches with rusty skills, no knowledge of new Bots/Equipment, and getting lost on unfamilair maps, I seem to be holding my own. Here's my hangar as it stands now: Any advise on how to cope with the current state of the game (without paying real $$$ through the nose)? Thanks!
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 14, 2024 15:41:55 GMT -5
A couple specific questions, both about my Titan.
1) Possible replacements for the Basilisk. I have a Lantern, a Gargantua, and a Baihu Basilisk, all at Level 1. Or I can hold out for a new Alpha weapon.
2) I'm 2 Victories away from claiming my first Titan Pilot. Any advise on that?
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Post by tabbylion on Jul 14, 2024 19:25:48 GMT -5
Hold out and farm keys for Blackmarket gold chests and superchest to win a replacement Titan and better titan weapons. Wait for 200x bonus and blackmarket leaderboard.
Basilisk is still good against certain opponents but Arthur is a sitting duck. Gargantua is only good for PvE mode to kill spiders.
Other than place Yang Lee in your Arthur, don’t even bother rolling any skills as it would be a waste on Arthur.
Hopefully you’ll win a Newton, Luchador or Rook soon. Those are the only 3 winnable titans for free that are competitive.
Also, replace your Hover! Free kill for the enemy!
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Post by gus169 on Jul 14, 2024 20:01:47 GMT -5
Welcome back Kamikaze. I remember you, one of our Hover guys. Most of what you've got there will still stand up. Tabby's right, the Hover will be the weak point, but lots of extra cred points if you run it. Super vulnerable in flight, you can get a scrap of shielding if you put a stabby weapon on (needle or spike), and stealth with a Beak drone, but you'll always be living dangerously. I like the emg set on the Strider, but you might do better with the 600m lockdown set. Magnetars are still really good. I'd probably put something close quarters on the heavy slot, but that's for your playstyle to decide. The Inqy and the Tyr should still be able to hold their own against most things, but there's things out there now that will wreck whatever you bring. Fenrir won't die until Ragnarok. He's gonna eat Odin. Tabby named the strong Titans, though Newton is not what it was. Your shield is still strong though. The Baihu Basilisk still does a lot of good damage, and the dazzlers are a viable option, but the damage output of the Maha Vajra is just obscene, and the Tsonics (Veyron, Evora), and the friggin' Tbendies (gaaarrgh! I hope you don't choose that path). All in all, you should be ok. You're a Hover pilot. You're used to doing it the hard way for the sake of the extra style points. Welcome back.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 14, 2024 20:35:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the early replies guys. I guess I should have provided some additional context before throwing the floor open fllor suggestions.
* * * DISCLAIMER * * * The following paragraphs consist of statements that are my opinion and mine alone,and reflect my playstyle and attitudes toward the game. I expect most here to disagree, but I have no interest in debating my convictions. Please account for my personal limitations when responding.
First, and most importantly, Hover is non-negotiable in my hangar. I decided once before that it would stay there until Pix released a decent replacement. That was 4 years ago, and nothing measures up. Call it a personal conceit if you want. Sorry!
Ok, Titans. I have Ao Ming, Murometz, and Zmej Murometz, which really never interested me. I also have 3 Luchadors which will never have a place in my hangar, as it represent everything wrong with this game.
Newton and Rook I don't know much about. Should I happen to get one of either, I'll consider them.
Glad you mentioned that Gargantua isn't as good as it looks...I was a hair away from pumping a ton of Pt into upgrading one. I'll hold out for better options.
Fenrir definitely isn't going anywhere...that thing is still a beast. Loving the Hazards so far, but open to other weapon suggestions.
Tyr, Strider, and Inquisitor are the ones I'm mostly concerned about, as all three are showing potential, but all three are having some difficulties.
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Post by gus169 on Jul 14, 2024 21:22:42 GMT -5
Unsurprised. Big respect. As I say, you can extend the Hover's lifespan with shielding (from stab weapons, drones and motherships), but you'll be aware of its limitations (and its extraordinary capabilities). Tyr's weak point is speed right now. It's difficult to keep up in support. I still like the bot, but it's not what it was. Maybe the Blazes could be switched for something midrange and you can support the brawlers? Conventional wisdom says Magnetars, but I'm picturing Pulsar lockdown, then flip out the lights and hit 'em with something else. Blast rockets or something? The 300m difference on the Blazes is tricky. I imagine they're a defensive option. I still run a Strider with a Devastator, FCudgel and a Needle (for the shield). Sometimes I replace the needle with a Klaser, depending on the current tasks. Still super capable, provided you can make the most of those dashes. I'd say keep that one in. Skill bot. The longer it's there, the better you'll get with it. The Inquisitor is also very slow these days. That loadout will still be dishing out the pain, but it won't last long when the speedfreaks get a bead on you. This one is always going to struggle a bit. Can I suggest the Ravana? Probably to replace the Inq. It's one of the older bots that has kept its relevance throughout. The layers of magic you can shed with that ability are amazing. Typhon is another option that has remained resilient. And props for boycotting the Luchador. I suspect you'll want to boycott the Rook as well, given its abilities.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 15, 2024 0:18:18 GMT -5
Unsurprised. Big respect. As I say, you can extend the Hover's lifespan with shielding (from stab weapons, drones and motherships), but you'll be aware of its limitations (and its extraordinary capabilities). Tyr's weak point is speed right now. It's difficult to keep up in support. I still like the bot, but it's not what it was. Maybe the Blazes could be switched for something midrange and you can support the brawlers? Conventional wisdom says Magnetars, but I'm picturing Pulsar lockdown, then flip out the lights and hit 'em with something else. Blast rockets or something? The 300m difference on the Blazes is tricky. I imagine they're a defensive option. I still run a Strider with a Devastator, FCudgel and a Needle (for the shield). Sometimes I replace the needle with a Klaser, depending on the current tasks. Still super capable, provided you can make the most of those dashes. I'd say keep that one in. Skill bot. The longer it's there, the better you'll get with it. The Inquisitor is also very slow these days. That loadout will still be dishing out the pain, but it won't last long when the speedfreaks get a bead on you. This one is always going to struggle a bit. Can I suggest the Ravana? Probably to replace the Inq. It's one of the older bots that has kept its relevance throughout. The layers of magic you can shed with that ability are amazing. Typhon is another option that has remained resilient. And props for boycotting the Luchador. I suspect you'll want to boycott the Rook as well, given its abilities. For context, the most recent equipment I have in my Inventory is Seraph and Bendy Guns. Anything newer than that I will have to work to acquire before using. Hover is still doing ok. I use Phase Shift for protection while flying, and a maxed Glider helps a lot. Still notnas good as the Drone build I had before the rework, but it's something to work with. I don't remember what I was thinking when I paired a Kramola with Venoms and upgraded it to that point...maybe I wanted something with a bit of range. I'm considering alternatives for that one. I have a Prototype Toxin I can start upgrading. Open to suggestions there. Tyr is...tough to judge. It was pretty beastly when I was fighting Orochis, Harpies, and even Seraphs, but it seems a little fragile currently. It's Support healing has always been weak almost to the point of insignificance...the Burst heal when switching modes is much more useful. The current weapon was designed around fighting a mobile battle at range with the Pulsars, then unleashing the Blazes in close. The range difference isn't an issue, but the shot speed can make it tough to aim both. Worked better with Shredders, but Strider is much better with Puncher/Shredders than Ember/Blazes. I'm probably going to focus on upgrading Modules over new Light Weapons, but Weapon suggestions are still welcome. I do have 8 Sheriff Magnetars sitting around at Level 1...I might try a couple and see how it feels. Strider is...Strider. Current weapons can really bring the hurt, and paired with The Eye, it can be quite effective. Will be even better once I'm able to upgrade the drone from 4 to 9. Still not sure if I have the skill to get the most out of that wild littld beastie though. Inky...yeah. He might finally be staring down the barrel of retirement. Has been for ages, but keeps *just* making the cut. I'm thinking about reviving my Redeemer Bulwark just for the giggs, but your Ravana suggestion is interesting. I have an Ivory Ravana and a Pilot. Need a third Medium Weapon for that. Considering swapping the Scorchers to Fenrir and using Hazards for Ravana, except I only have 2. For laughs, here the list of equipment I have personally boycotted, at least temporarily: Shocktrain Ares Leech Ao Jun Hawk Orochi Revenant Harpy Siren Bendy Guns Seraph Ao Ming Luchador
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Post by gus169 on Jul 15, 2024 2:11:53 GMT -5
For context, the most recent equipment I have in my Inventory is Seraph and Bendy Guns. Anything newer than that I will have to work to acquire before using. Hover is still doing ok. I use Phase Shift for protection while flying, and a maxed Glider helps a lot. Still notnas good as the Drone build I had before the rework, but it's something to work with. I don't remember what I was thinking when I paired a Kramola with Venoms and upgraded it to that point...maybe I wanted something with a bit of range. I'm considering alternatives for that one. I have a Prototype Toxin I can start upgrading. Open to suggestions there. Tyr is...tough to judge. It was pretty beastly when I was fighting Orochis, Harpies, and even Seraphs, but it seems a little fragile currently. It's Support healing has always been weak almost to the point of insignificance...the Burst heal when switching modes is much more useful. The current weapon was designed around fighting a mobile battle at range with the Pulsars, then unleashing the Blazes in close. The range difference isn't an issue, but the shot speed can make it tough to aim both. Worked better with Shredders, but Strider is much better with Puncher/Shredders than Ember/Blazes. I'm probably going to focus on upgrading Modules over new Light Weapons, but Weapon suggestions are still welcome. I do have 8 Sheriff Magnetars sitting around at Level 1...I might try a couple and see how it feels. Strider is...Strider. Current weapons can really bring the hurt, and paired with The Eye, it can be quite effective. Will be even better once I'm able to upgrade the drone from 4 to 9. Still not sure if I have the skill to get the most out of that wild littld beastie though. Inky...yeah. He might finally be staring down the barrel of retirement. Has been for ages, but keeps *just* making the cut. I'm thinking about reviving my Redeemer Bulwark just for the giggs, but your Ravana suggestion is interesting. I have an Ivory Ravana and a Pilot. Need a third Medium Weapon for that. Considering swapping the Scorchers to Fenrir and using Hazards for Ravana, except I only have 2. For laughs, here the list of equipment I have personally boycotted, at least temporarily: Shocktrain Ares Leech Ao Jun Hawk Orochi Revenant Harpy Siren Bendy Guns Seraph Ao Ming Luchador yeah, PS/Glider'll do it. I think you'll be fine. If you like DoT, wasps might work on the Hover. Maybe with one of those ShMagnetars? 600m would be a more comfortable range. and you'll be adding to your boycott list. for sure. good to see you back
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Post by tabbylion on Jul 15, 2024 3:03:34 GMT -5
Tabby named the strong Titans, though Newton is not what it was. Your shield is still strong though. The Baihu Basilisk still does a lot of good damage, and the dazzlers are a viable option, but the damage output of the Maha Vajra is just obscene, and the Tsonics (Veyron, Evora), and the friggin' Tbendies (gaaarrgh! I hope you don't choose that path). All in all, you should be ok. You're a Hover pilot. You're used to doing it the hard way for the sake of the extra style points. Welcome back. Let me clarify Newton… To me there are 4 support Titans: Nodens, Heimdall, Sirius & Newton. Newton can’t heal but it can rocket an enemy into the sky so the whole team can shoot it like a turkey and can do it at a safe distance. The 3 healing Titans can heal but aren’t fast enough to keep up with the team and don’t have the same level of firepower. Therefore, Newton is a good but winnable support titan. I forgot to mention Indra. The 3 winnable brawling Titans are Luchador, Rook and Indra. So only 4 winnable titans are worth any investment in my opinion.
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Post by tabbylion on Jul 15, 2024 3:19:21 GMT -5
First, and most importantly, Hover is non-negotiable in my hangar. I decided once before that it would stay there until Pix released a decent replacement. That was 4 years ago, and nothing measures up. Call it a personal conceit if you want. Sorry! Ok, Titans. I have Ao Ming, Murometz, and Zmej Murometz, which really never interested me. I also have 3 Luchadors which will never have a place in my hangar, as it represent everything wrong with this game. Newton and Rook I don't know much about. Should I happen to get one of either, I'll consider them. Glad you mentioned that Gargantua isn't as good as it looks...I was a hair away from pumping a ton of Pt into upgrading one. I'll hold out for better options. My reply was based on thinking that you were going the F2P path and Luchador is perfect for that. Pair Hover with a Pascal drone to give it adequate resistance if you must have a flying bot. Don’t sell Gargantua, it is very useful in a set for PvE mode which can win you good amount of rss on the harder stages. Don’t bother with Murometz, it’s also easy to take down despite being a titan. Btw, did you need a proper clan to join? We have room if you’re interested.
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Post by titando on Jul 15, 2024 9:15:18 GMT -5
Throwing in my 2 cents... Luchador is good, but not OP any more. In fact, all those bots you boycott are old news now. Of the ones you mentioned, Revenant, Harpy, and Siren are still pretty decent with the right setup, not OP. You will find that Fenrir is much squishier these days (unlike 2 years ago). That's because of the rust weapons that prevents healing. Good luck!
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 15, 2024 9:23:22 GMT -5
My reply was based on thinking that you were going the F2P path and Luchador is perfect for that. Pair Hover with a Pascal drone to give it adequate resistance if you must have a flying bot. Don’t sell Gargantua, it is very useful in a set for PvE mode which can win you good amount of rss on the harder stages. Don’t bother with Murometz, it’s also easy to take down despite being a titan. Btw, did you need a proper clan to join? We have room if you’re interested. My biggest issues right now are lack of good Drones (and Microchips to upgrade them) and Upgrade Tokens. If I invest money in the game again, it will be for those 2 resources. Performance-wise, I agree with you about Luchador. Personal feelings-wise, it's just not something I can see myself using. Support Units are clearly tough in the current game...everything is so fast and chaotic now that there simply isn't time to rally around a Support unit, except possibly in TDM. Takes a special kind of player to dedicateba lot to one of those. I think a lot of the new stuff I'm going to be stuck testing it out at Level 1 just to see how it all works and feels...at least I can Custom Match against my son now for trial purposes lol. Appreciate the Clan invite. Honestly, I doubt I'll be a serious enough player moving forward to be welcome in a "real" Clan. 90% of the reason I'm back is because my son wants to Squad with me. Beyond that, I doubt I'll be playing more than 2-3 battles/day. The game isn't nearly as much fun as it used to be. But if you'll accept a casual player (or two) I'd be happy to discuss the details by DM.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 15, 2024 9:30:30 GMT -5
Throwing in my 2 cents... Luchador is good, but not OP any more. In fact, all those bots you boycott are old news now. Of the ones you mentioned, Revenant, Harpy, and Siren are still pretty decent with the right setup, not OP. You will find that Fenrir is much squishier these days (unlike 2 years ago). That's because of the rust weapons that prevents healing. Good luck! Yeah, the Obsolescence Hammer hits everything sooner or later, which is actually another reason why I avoided most of those...history says that today's OP Cheese-Bot is next month's Over-Nerfed Doorstop, and I simply don't have the resources to constantly be replacing outdated gear. So I generally look for stuff 2-3 generations old that still holds up after rebalances. Usually easier to acquire as well. Fun Fact...the ONLY Current-Meta Bot I ever ran was Spectre lol. It's been a while since I've used any true top-shelf equipment.
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Post by gus169 on Jul 15, 2024 10:04:03 GMT -5
oh yeah. I noticed you mentioned upgrading modules there. just a heads up, they have flagged a 'module rework' in the making. if it's anything like the drone rework, it might not be great timing. I'm not entirely sure of the implications, but it might be something to consider.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 15, 2024 10:13:57 GMT -5
oh yeah. I noticed you mentioned upgrading modules there. just a heads up, they have flagged a 'module rework' in the making. if it's anything like the drone rework, it might not be great timing. I'm not entirely sure of the implications, but it might be something to consider. Damn, that could throw my whole hangar out of whack. Thanks for the heads-up, I might start banking Ag instead of shelling out for those 40M upgrades.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 15, 2024 11:31:35 GMT -5
Might retire Inky and put *this* legend back into the lineup!
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Post by Eradicator1 on Jul 15, 2024 12:13:50 GMT -5
Might retire Inky and put *this* legend back into the lineup! Set my heart a flutter why don’t ya! Lovin it. Unfortunately it will get spanked hard if you run it. Had to retire mine. Only gets to run occasionally for fun. He is not fast enough, not enough firepower, and not tanky enough. Man, if they come out with an ultimate edition one I may shell out money for it. Welcome back.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 15, 2024 12:21:17 GMT -5
Set my heart a flutter why don’t ya! Lovin it. Unfortunately it will get spanked hard if you run it. Had to retire mine. Only gets to run occasionally for fun. He is not fast enough, not enough firepower, and not tanky enough. Man, if they come out with an ultimate edition one I may shell out money for it. Welcome back. You sure? Just checked it out, and the Aegis is over 327,000 lol. I was kinda thinking about going with Decays and a Jump Module 😆 Either way, it's probably harder to kill.amd generally more capable than my poor Inky. Only Bot I ever used that scored 3 Titan Slayers in a single 7-Kill performance. But that was back in the Ao Jun era, soooooo....
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Post by titando on Jul 15, 2024 12:36:40 GMT -5
One more thing worth mentioning... Typically there is 40% off upgrades that runs once or twice/month. So you might wait for that to upgrade anything. The cost savings is huge. And I definitely would not upgrade any modules at this time. They are getting reworked and nobody knows how it may impact.
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Post by T34 on Jul 16, 2024 6:59:44 GMT -5
Shocktrain bulgasari is a monster again. So is shocktrain pathfinder. Welcome back.
I think how much you are willing to spend is the most important question before talking about gear.
But in any case, drones, modules and pilots are very important. 2 years is a long time in this game but a break is also good at times.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 16, 2024 8:39:31 GMT -5
Shocktrain bulgasari is a monster again. So is shocktrain pathfinder. Welcome back. I think how much you are willing to spend is the most important question before talking about gear. But in any case, drones, modules and pilots are very important. 2 years is a long time in this game but a break is also good at times. Spending will be limited, as I'm noot likely to be playing enough to justify it. Probably $20/month tops, likely less than that. But some Upgrade Tokens. A super sweet deal on a Drone that I need might pry some cash out of me, but that's about it. OTOH, if the offer an Ultimate Edition Hover, I'll be all over that lol. Priority right now is Drones and Microchips. I have Glider, Wasp, The Eye, 2 Nebulas, and 2 Discus. I need better considering the Bots I use. And as stated above, I don't chase Meta. I go for tried-and-true that I can keep in my hangar for the long haul. EDIT: Just got a Patron Drone.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 16, 2024 14:17:04 GMT -5
Given that I insist on using a Hover... Back before my last break, (in the height of the Orochi/Revenant/Seraph Meta) I moved my Scorchers over to Inquisitor and put Venoms on Hover, and maxed out a Midea to boost damage on DoT weapons, in order to deal with brawling vs high-defense Bots. What would be more effective in the current environment? Venoms with Midea, or Scorchers with Adrian? Or put the Scorchers on Fenrir and use Hazards on Hover?
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Post by T34 on Jul 16, 2024 18:07:42 GMT -5
Shocktrain bulgasari is a monster again. So is shocktrain pathfinder. Welcome back. I think how much you are willing to spend is the most important question before talking about gear. But in any case, drones, modules and pilots are very important. 2 years is a long time in this game but a break is also good at times. Spending will be limited, as I'm noot likely to be playing enough to justify it. Probably $20/month tops, likely less than that. But some Upgrade Tokens. A super sweet deal on a Drone that I need might pry some cash out of me, but that's about it. OTOH, if the offer an Ultimate Edition Hover, I'll be all over that lol. Priority right now is Drones and Microchips. I have Glider, Wasp, The Eye, 2 Nebulas, and 2 Discus. I need better considering the Bots I use. And as stated above, I don't chase Meta. I go for tried-and-true that I can keep in my hangar for the long haul. EDIT: Just got a Patron Drone. If Pixonic introduces the "intel" feature (look it up on this forum) the days will be numbered for tried and tested gold bots because they will be nerfed into averageness. Same goes for weapons. There will not be anomalies like the lynks or thypon. Once a month, Pix has a chain offer in the shopping cart for drones, microchip and a dorito token. Wait til that pops up since it is one of the best deals. See if you can get an armadillo, beak or hiroku from the gold chest to level (and modules). Try and get resources from extermination and buy pads right at the end of season when they are the cheapest. If you dont spend much, look out for the deals where they offer you to buy something and throw in the equivalent value of your spend in d-gems. Check the web shop if you have high value d-gem offers like "one time only" offers. Build what ever you get. Will take time to get a nice/preferred hanger together. No substitute for $.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 17, 2024 8:30:51 GMT -5
If Pixonic introduces the "intel" feature (look it up on this forum) the days will be numbered for tried and tested gold bots because they will be nerfed into averageness. Same goes for weapons. There will not be anomalies like the lynks or thypon. Once a month, Pix has a chain offer in the shopping cart for drones, microchip and a dorito token. Wait til that pops up since it is one of the best deals. See if you can get an armadillo, beak or hiroku from the gold chest to level (and modules). Try and get resources from extermination and buy pads right at the end of season when they are the cheapest. If you dont spend much, look out for the deals where they offer you to buy something and throw in the equivalent value of your spend in d-gems. Check the web shop if you have high value d-gem offers like "one time only" offers. Build what ever you get. Will take time to get a nice/preferred hanger together. No substitute for $. If Pixonic introduced the "Intel" feature, I'll most likely be finished with this game for good, since I can't afford to always have brand new everything, and there will be no other way to be even remotely competitive. I don't really plan to spend anything if I can avoid it, since I'm fully expecting a fun-killing update to happen at any time, but I'll keep that chain offer in mind. Thanks!
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Post by munkeeee on Jul 17, 2024 12:55:16 GMT -5
the intel thing is going to be a hackers dream. And sadly, if I am reading how this whole thing works, some bots are going to be spammed out of the game, while others could find the reset for intel as a hack.
I dont like my hand being forced.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 17, 2024 13:02:07 GMT -5
the intel thing is going to be a hackers dream. And sadly, if I am reading how this whole thing works, some bots are going to be spammed out of the game, while others could find the reset for intel as a hack. I dont like my hand being forced. Wanna bet you'll be able to buy an "anti-Espionage" module that will protect your hangar from the effects of Intel?
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Post by munkeeee on Jul 17, 2024 13:11:11 GMT -5
the intel thing is going to be a hackers dream. And sadly, if I am reading how this whole thing works, some bots are going to be spammed out of the game, while others could find the reset for intel as a hack. I dont like my hand being forced. Wanna bet you'll be able to buy an "anti-Espionage" module that will protect your hangar from the effects of Intel? oh its been built. They give us the disease, then force us to buy the cure. =/
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 17, 2024 14:33:53 GMT -5
I have to say, the Old Boys' Club isn't doing too shabby...
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Post by 079 on Jul 17, 2024 17:08:51 GMT -5
Set my heart a flutter why don’t ya! Lovin it. Unfortunately it will get spanked hard if you run it. Had to retire mine. Only gets to run occasionally for fun. He is not fast enough, not enough firepower, and not tanky enough. Man, if they come out with an ultimate edition one I may shell out money for it. Welcome back. You sure? Just checked it out, and the Aegis is over 327,000 lol. I was kinda thinking about going with Decays and a Jump Module 😆 Either way, it's probably harder to kill.amd generally more capable than my poor Inky. Only Bot I ever used that scored 3 Titan Slayers in a single 7-Kill performance. But that was back in the Ao Jun era, soooooo.... 330k health is nothing these days, have you seen the new weapons melting titans with close to a million health in seconds? With healing and especially gray damage healing being so common nowadays, your ability to reduce (via force field or reflector) and heal back damage matters a lot more than base health. Plus, there are modules and mothership turrets that let you increase max health during battle. It has gotten to the point that ultra-durable bots are kinda hard to explain, you just have to see all their gizmos at work for yourself.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 17, 2024 18:56:45 GMT -5
Still doing ok 👍🏻
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