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Post by Method Games[YT] on Jun 15, 2024 17:19:17 GMT -5
I seriously cannot remember the last time I had such a high win rate as a solo player (currently sitting at 72%).
It was probably a few years ago when running my beastly hanger comprising of a couple of Boas, Stalker and Carnage.
So, alas it looks like the time has come where the game will forcibly return me to the 50% win threshold.
You know that you are being screwed over when wait times start to climb and the pixonic algorithm is trying to find you those tougher opponents and squads to force you back down to reality.
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Post by gus169 on Jun 15, 2024 17:34:56 GMT -5
Drums! Drums . . . in the deep.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 17, 2024 16:09:07 GMT -5
So, alas it looks like the time has come where the game will forcibly return me to the 50% win threshold. You know that you are being screwed over when wait times start to climb and the pixonic algorithm is trying to find you those tougher opponents and squads to force you back down to reality. This isn't a thing.
I don't know how it got started but it's really not.
I've been at 70% or more for 6 months, currently sitting at 80%.
I rarely squad.
This myth needs to die.
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Post by Eradicator1 on Jun 17, 2024 19:49:46 GMT -5
So, alas it looks like the time has come where the game will forcibly return me to the 50% win threshold. You know that you are being screwed over when wait times start to climb and the pixonic algorithm is trying to find you those tougher opponents and squads to force you back down to reality. This isn't a thing.
I don't know how it got started but it's really not.
I've been at 70% or more for 6 months, currently sitting at 80%.
I rarely squad.
This myth needs to die.
It 100% is a thing without a doubt. The only way it does not happen is when power duos squad, full s clan meta squads, and solo players with the waaaay OP unkillable metatastic stuff. You say you rarely squad...... I’ll congratulate you on your OP meta hangar then. Congrats. Bet there’s a couple Subduer Curries, a shendouche or two, don’t forget the no skill required new sappy weps, and for sure a bendy Eiffel or maybe with flames if you are really feeling froggy.
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Post by munkeeee on Jun 17, 2024 20:26:21 GMT -5
to be honest, the algorithm is all over the place. For the hell of it I been running my 3,4 and 5 hangars, mostly older spider bots, one hangar of invaders, and all the other crawlers. Not tanking, just running other stuff for a change. For a laugh, I put in all skyros and one weyland, and I would still place top 3 on the team. And thats with only 2 leveled but nothing for pilot skill or modules or drone. And majority of mk1 weps, no meta, Bare bones on all. And if I can come in first working with my all healer hangar in champs then I KNOW the algorithm is off.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 18, 2024 15:04:25 GMT -5
This isn't a thing.
I don't know how it got started but it's really not.
I've been at 70% or more for 6 months, currently sitting at 80%.
I rarely squad.
This myth needs to die.
It 100% is a thing without a doubt. The only way it does not happen is when power duos squad, full s clan meta squads, and solo players with the waaaay OP unkillable metatastic stuff. You say you rarely squad...... I’ll congratulate you on your OP meta hangar then. Congrats. Bet there’s a couple Subduer Curries, a shendouche or two, don’t forget the no skill required new sappy weps, and for sure a bendy Eiffel or maybe with flames if you are really feeling froggy. That sounds so scientific, not at all like anecdotal nonsense.
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Post by Max Bacon on Jun 18, 2024 23:49:49 GMT -5
It 100% is a thing without a doubt. The only way it does not happen is when power duos squad, full s clan meta squads, and solo players with the waaaay OP unkillable metatastic stuff. You say you rarely squad...... I’ll congratulate you on your OP meta hangar then. Congrats. Bet there’s a couple Subduer Curries, a shendouche or two, don’t forget the no skill required new sappy weps, and for sure a bendy Eiffel or maybe with flames if you are really feeling froggy. That sounds so scientific, not at all like anecdotal nonsense.
One bendy bullet Eiffel Two Subduer Curies One hokeychokie One Tesla Ravana One Tesla Raven
Empirical vs anecdotal, mmmm?
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 19, 2024 15:51:05 GMT -5
That sounds so scientific, not at all like anecdotal nonsense.
One bendy bullet Eiffel Two Subduer Curies One hokeychokie One Tesla Ravana One Tesla Raven
Empirical vs anecdotal, mmmm?
Which all means what, exactly? Please, with the utmost scientific rigor, tell me what that nonsense has to do with anything besides the false sense of superiority you are experiencing right now? Because let me assure you, it's NOT my hangar. Only 「fluffernutter」ing dunces think a meta hangar does 「fluffernutter」all
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE 「fluffernutter」 YOU ARE DOING. And if you don't care to take my word for it, go watch a few dozen of adrians vids.
He knows it too.
Because if your assertion was that meta hangar = win% then feel free to do some more investigative research of the top 10 in legend league and then come back here and apologize for spouting this idiocy.
And my hangar isn't "meta"; I have elements that are but it's far from the full on meta hangar that ding dong was espousing.
Now for gods sake go lie down and stop 「dookie」 talking about things you CLEARLY have little to no understanding of.
Sheesh....
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Post by Eradicator1 on Jun 19, 2024 18:24:14 GMT -5
Ding dong huh. I have noticed in my time throughout life that people call me names when I’m right and they are on the defensive. So thank you for that.
Now back to the issue at hand. A “meta” hangar does not in and of itself give one a higher wining percentage. Be that a partial or full hangar. One must possess a decent amount of actual skill to pull off wins that otherwise would not exist. But meta overcomes many another lesser hangars for sure.
I also did not say that you ran a FULL meta hangar. You possess the most important elements of it though. Currie and Eiffel. Fast, tough, major firepower. Plus, if you can count, I only listed 4 or possibly 5 robots. That would not be a full hangar amount. But I’m just a ding dong, so go figure.
The Currie and Eiffel are so stupidly OP that no other bots are needed in most games. And if you don’t have those two you are at a major disadvantage. All top ten legend players have both in their hangar. I wonder why that is?
Now there is no way for me/us to scientifically prove the 50% win rate theory. We don’t have access to the actual algorithm, but there is enough empirical evidence to at the very least lend itself towards a highly probable 50% win rate theory. For MOST of us.
Here’s an experiment you can do. Remove ALL of the meta in your hangar, play for 6 months the same way you have been playing and report back. I’ll bet dollars to doorknobs that your win rate will NOT be above 50% for the whole time. Yes I know that won’t “prove” anything in your eyes, but it would be the nearest that we/you could get.
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Post by munkeeee on Jun 19, 2024 19:41:04 GMT -5
we're mad at the game fellas, not each other.
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Post by Eradicator1 on Jun 19, 2024 20:00:11 GMT -5
we're mad at the game fellas, not each other. I’m not mad, just having a conversation. I suppose I came off a bit confrontational in my first post; I apologize for that, but I stand by my position.
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Post by Max Bacon on Jun 20, 2024 2:27:29 GMT -5
So Thunderkiss , you are the other Thunderkiss, the one in Expert with 3 Natashas and a Griffin? Not the Thunderkiss with close to 80% win rate and a Ravana? And I have no false sense of superiority. Maybe a true sense of inadequacy would be more like it. My main account is nowhere near f2p. Check it out - ID is ZJITQD. WHAT I was pointing out is that high win rates are highly associated with META content. Like the Legend League player with 92% win rate. Get over 60% with zero or a smattering of META content, and there is a high likelihood you will run into a serious losing streak. Add that bendy Eiffel, and voila, as if magically you win more, and start really moving up in league points. As for Adriannnn, sorry, but his statements mean nothing to me. His income is directly tied to not poking the Russian bear. Me (to save the trouble of looking). I’m currently just running hangar 2.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Jun 20, 2024 6:19:25 GMT -5
The beatdown is real. 5 losses in a row and getting games like this.....
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Post by BB on Jun 20, 2024 8:12:02 GMT -5
The beatdown is real. 5 losses in a row and getting games like this..... That’s one of the worst I’ve seen as far as the alpha demolisher getting bogged down with wet pastries for a team 😂
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Post by Max Bacon on Jun 20, 2024 9:57:24 GMT -5
The beatdown is real. 5 losses in a row and getting games like this..... That’s one of the worst I’ve seen as far as the alpha demolisher getting bogged down with wet pastries for a team 😂 But it's purely in your imagination. Pixonic and other game developers would never matchmake in such a way as to create a desire to purchase power.
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Post by gus169 on Jun 20, 2024 10:22:42 GMT -5
mmm. must . . . purchase . . . pastries
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Post by easystrider on Jun 20, 2024 14:21:10 GMT -5
One bendy bullet Eiffel Two Subduer Curies One hokeychokie One Tesla Ravana One Tesla Raven
Empirical vs anecdotal, mmmm?
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Because if your assertion was that meta hangar = win% then feel free to do some more investigative research of the top 10 in legend league and then come back here and apologize for spouting this idiocy.
... I'll take that challenge. Win percentages for steam players, top ten legend league players first: 54 62 84 82 64 84 52 64 52 90 Few players around where I'm at, Champions League 22: 88 72 50 54 42 <- That's me 68 36 56 44 40 I also took liberty to view hangars of those with >60% WL in my league above, all those are the ones that have maxed out curies, raptors and/or dagons. And btw, if somebody thinks that every legend league player should have >70% WL then I haste to inform that that's not how this process works. WL is I believe 50 game running average, so mere statistical variation dictates that even top players will have periods where the average drops. Still, anything above 50% to me is great. Edit: Holy smokes, #10 in steam's LL has a longest win streak of 371 victories.
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Post by Max Bacon on Jun 20, 2024 16:16:27 GMT -5
So an average of 68.8% win average for LL, 55% for league 22 Champs.
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Post by easystrider on Jun 20, 2024 16:35:52 GMT -5
So an average of 68.8% win average for LL, 55% for league 22 Champs.
You can say that even that is misleading, this is hangar of one of the gents with 88% win rate in Champions League 22: Possibly a person that could be in LL, just doesn't feel like playing too much. Or just got some of the bots and is in the process of climbing the leagues. Of course this is just a snapshot, to get a better view we'd need full data with some objective measure of how meta each hangar is.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 21, 2024 16:18:03 GMT -5
Ding dong huh. I have noticed in my time throughout life that people call me names when I’m right and they are on the defensive. So thank you for that. Now back to the issue at hand. A “meta” hangar does not in and of itself give one a higher wining percentage. Be that a partial or full hangar. One must possess a decent amount of actual skill to pull off wins that otherwise would not exist. But meta overcomes many another lesser hangars for sure. I also did not say that you ran a FULL meta hangar. You possess the most important elements of it though. Currie and Eiffel. Fast, tough, major firepower. Plus, if you can count, I only listed 4 or possibly 5 robots. That would not be a full hangar amount. But I’m just a ding dong, so go figure. The Currie and Eiffel are so stupidly OP that no other bots are needed in most games. And if you don’t have those two you are at a major disadvantage. All top ten legend players have both in their hangar. I wonder why that is? Now there is no way for me/us to scientifically prove the 50% win rate theory. We don’t have access to the actual algorithm, but there is enough empirical evidence to at the very least lend itself towards a highly probable 50% win rate theory. For MOST of us. Here’s an experiment you can do. Remove ALL of the meta in your hangar, play for 6 months the same way you have been playing and report back. I’ll bet dollars to doorknobs that your win rate will NOT be above 50% for the whole time. Yes I know that won’t “prove” anything in your eyes, but it would be the nearest that we/you could get. I'll do you one better.
My baby account that I MAY have spent 30 bucks on total.
You are wrong wrong wrong, and I don't have it in me to argue with the willfully ignorant so I'm out.
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Post by Max Bacon on Jun 22, 2024 15:55:06 GMT -5
I'll do you one better.
My baby account that I MAY have spent 30 bucks on total.
You are wrong wrong wrong, and I don't have it in me to argue with the willfully ignorant so I'm out.
Leveled up to MK 2.1, a drone for your Ravana, and higher pilot skills and that's a Champs hangar no sweat. Might need to swap out for a bit stronger titan though. So, I'm not sure you're proving the point that better gear doesn't mean better win rate. Note that this smurf is also 74% victory rate, and 32 out of 34 items are T4.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 23, 2024 7:27:09 GMT -5
I'll do you one better.
My baby account that I MAY have spent 30 bucks on total.
You are wrong wrong wrong, and I don't have it in me to argue with the willfully ignorant so I'm out.
Leveled up to MK 2.1, a drone for your Ravana, and higher pilot skills and that's a Champs hangar no sweat. Might need to swap out for a bit stronger titan though. So, I'm not sure you're proving the point that better gear doesn't mean better win rate. Note that this smurf is also 74% victory rate, and 32 out of 34 items are T4. If you think that THIS hangar is champion league material......
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Post by Max Bacon on Jun 23, 2024 12:35:34 GMT -5
If you think that THIS hangar is champion league material...... Oh certainly. Not at it's current levels, but absolutely at 2.1 or 1.12 with reasonably leveled pilots and drones and a brawlier titan.
The power difference between the smurf hangar and 5000 points is much smaller than between 5000 points and 10,000 points.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 23, 2024 14:46:56 GMT -5
If you think that THIS hangar is champion league material...... Oh certainly. Not at it's current levels, but absolutely at 2.1 or 1.12 with reasonably leveled pilots and drones and a brawlier titan.
The power difference between the smurf hangar and 5000 points is much smaller than between 5000 points and 10,000 points.
Just..... stop talking.
If this is what people think a champion league hangar is, it's no wonder so many people lose so much and are so unhappy with the game.
You clearly have no idea what you are doing, so I'm not arguing anymore, you've missed every elephant size point made here, it's clear this is a waste of my time.
I'm out of this one, peace out all.
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Post by easystrider on Jun 23, 2024 15:43:24 GMT -5
If you think that THIS hangar is champion league material...... Oh certainly. Not at it's current levels, but absolutely at 2.1 or 1.12 with reasonably leveled pilots and drones and a brawlier titan.
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I'd have to say that even if leveled this hangar would barely reach Champions League, and if for some reason progressed further then it would be in world of hurt. I know, because I have similar hangar (including nodens, level 124) and I'm the 20's win percentage currently with ~5700 cups. I have seen multiple hangars such as those obliterated by one maxed out curie, for example. If you are well in Champions League without at least one dagon, curie, shenlou or etc and of course decent titan then get ready to be stomped. But I think we might be arguing apples and oranges here. If somebody's solution to low win pct is to start a new account and beat up on the newbies in lower leagues by using his accumulated War Robots experience, then sure, no disagreement there. That will get your percentage up without spending much. That's not something I'd do, because I'd rather be in Champions League with bloodied lip than be a master of kiddie pool. Leaving that option aside, staying competitive in Champions League requires major spending imo. I can fully disclose that I have spent do far about 90$ in 2-3 months on upgrades to my old hangar, which was in Champions League before sliding way down. Sure, large portion of that spending was sentimental, such as buying gold/Pt to rush upgrading nodens, tyr or mender. But if anybody is curious how close to meta I am after spending that much, then I hasten to report that I just got one porthos and have about 4500 components for dagon. That's about it.
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Post by easystrider on Jun 23, 2024 18:48:07 GMT -5
My baby account that I MAY have spent 30 bucks on total. ... New account, expert league. Now I understand what you meant. If we are taking about starting a new account and having 30$ to spend on it I think you can even do better with those MK2 bot deals for ~7$ that Pixonic has, but that would probably get you through the leagues too quickly. I was just reading somebody's post on reddit about getting erebus MK2 in bronze league and getting 14 kills to his entire team's none. That's one way to get high win % but I'd rather not do it. I will work with my existing hangar in Champions League. Edit: ThunderkissWait, you actually have four almost maxed out pantagruels on your nodens? Did you get them before they were nerfed or something? I found them to be the worst weapon ever, with cycle DPS that of a crappy light weapon. My biggest regret is spending Pt to upgrade mine. What am I missing here?
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Post by Max Bacon on Jun 24, 2024 0:42:06 GMT -5
Oh certainly. Not at it's current levels, but absolutely at 2.1 or 1.12 with reasonably leveled pilots and drones and a brawlier titan.
The power difference between the smurf hangar and 5000 points is much smaller than between 5000 points and 10,000 points.
Just..... stop talking.
If this is what people think a champion league hangar is, it's no wonder so many people lose so much and are so unhappy with the game.
You clearly have no idea what you are doing, so I'm not arguing anymore, you've missed every elephant size point made here, it's clear this is a waste of my time.
I'm out of this one, peace out all.
My 5 Loki trolling hangar is now in Champs, yoyo-ing from Champs to M1 to Champs
If an utterly ridiculous hangar like that can make it, your smurf hangar when properly leveled could obviously make it. If not, well that's on you, no?
Note, I'm not saying you'll be at 7500 points at the end of the month, but would certainly sustain 5000 points. I.E. Champs...
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 24, 2024 16:32:57 GMT -5
My baby account that I MAY have spent 30 bucks on total. ... New account, expert league. Now I understand what you meant. If we are taking about starting a new account and having 30$ to spend on it I think you can even do better with those MK2 bot deals for ~7$ that Pixonic has, but that would probably get you through the leagues too quickly. I was just reading somebody's post on reddit about getting erebus MK2 in bronze league and getting 14 kills to his entire team's none. That's one way to get high win % but I'd rather not do it. I will work with my existing hangar in Champions League. Edit: Thunderkiss Wait, you actually have four almost maxed out pantagruels on your nodens? Did you get them before they were nerfed or something? I found them to be the worst weapon ever, with cycle DPS that of a crappy light weapon. My biggest regret is spending Pt to upgrade mine. What am I missing here? It was what I had, was trying to go FTP with it, but god bless the REAL ftp players, cos 「fluffernutter」 that 「dookie」. I've since changed them and it out because you are not wrong, they suck 「bum-bum」. Even the nodens, which I have kind of a soft spot for, is quite unplayable in champion league. So now it's sonic luchador.
And yes, that's exactly what happens. New players spend on things they don't understand, which let's face it, if it's on sale it likely sucks in the higher leagues, but they rise without learning how to really play the game, stuck with sub-par gear, and then get stuck on my team.
I'm sure that business model makes them a TON of money, but man, 「fluffernutter」 YOU pixonic.....
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Post by easystrider on Jun 24, 2024 17:30:45 GMT -5
New account, expert league. Now I understand what you meant. If we are taking about starting a new account and having 30$ to spend on it I think you can even do better with those MK2 bot deals for ~7$ that Pixonic has, but that would probably get you through the leagues too quickly. I was just reading somebody's post on reddit about getting erebus MK2 in bronze league and getting 14 kills to his entire team's none. That's one way to get high win % but I'd rather not do it. I will work with my existing hangar in Champions League. Edit: Thunderkiss Wait, you actually have four almost maxed out pantagruels on your nodens? Did you get them before they were nerfed or something? I found them to be the worst weapon ever, with cycle DPS that of a crappy light weapon. My biggest regret is spending Pt to upgrade mine. What am I missing here? It was what I had, was trying to go FTP with it, but god bless the REAL ftp players, cos ãfluffernutterã that ãdookieã. I've since changed them and it out because you are not wrong, they suck ãbum-bumã. Even the nodens, which I have kind of a soft spot for, is quite unplayable in champion league. So now it's sonic luchador.
And yes, that's exactly what happens. New players spend on things they don't understand, which let's face it, if it's on sale it likely sucks in the higher leagues, but they rise without learning how to really play the game, stuck with sub-par gear, and then get stuck on my team.
I'm sure that business model makes them a TON of money, but man, ãfluffernutterã YOU pixonic.....
Yup, I was asking because I did the same thing: opened some gold chests and almost immediately "won" two pantagruels. I'm not a new player but for some unknown reason instead of asking myself why Pixonic is giving them away so freely I equipped both and leveled them. Because you know, since they are tier 4 they have to be good, right? And after spending all that Pt I check the stats and realize I would have been better off sticking with 「fluffernutter」ing retaliators.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Jul 26, 2024 7:33:28 GMT -5
I feel a little dirty and it's time for a beatdown again..... to some extent.
I have been running a Raptor for the past few days and I have to say, it is pretty much single handedly raising my "skill" level. Even my ghetto spec armadillo drone makes this thing immortal, the only thing that can actually take it down is alpha titan bendy bullets and the equally stupid titan with the bow and arrow setup.
10 million + damage per game is pretty common using the one bot and a titan. Approaching 80% win rate and 8000 cups for the season.
Yes, it's kind of nice not being one tapped by all the other current meta but it is getting a little boring already.
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