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Post by BLYTHE on Apr 19, 2017 20:21:38 GMT -5
Neither is any good. Get decent mid range like-- (trident/zues) + (fury/carnage) or get an RDB.
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Post by tugipus on Apr 20, 2017 3:01:27 GMT -5
I'd argue that Hydra is maybe the best setup for a Fujin. Why? (1) As for the Tulumbas Fujin, it's workable, but there are much better robots that fulfill that purpose. Fujin is not exactly a priority buy, so we're not talking about bronze league. A Trident Carnage is faster, has more range, bigger splash radius, the Ancile is active all the time and not when the robot is stationary, and the same DPS. So forgive me, but why in the world would you use Tulum Fujin over Trident Carnage? Or, if you're low on WSP, a RDB Griff is probably equal to a Tulum Fujin, as it makes up for the missing ancile with the ability to fire while jumping. I agree the trident carnage is better in open ground on yamantau. In close range maps trident carnage sucks and tulu fujin is WAY superior. Why? Because you can get out of cover, shoot and go back into cover faster and need to do it less often. With my tulu fujin i hunt plasmahads as the damage the can do in the little time they see me is much less than the damage i do to them and at distances up to 400m they pretty much cant avoid my salvo because tulu missiles are faster than orkan missiles. RDB Griff has similar versatility than the tulu fujin and thats why it is used quite often, personally i prefer the fujin for its better (transversal) speed, smaller hit frame and shield.
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Post by frunobulax on Apr 20, 2017 8:49:55 GMT -5
But Carny can outrun a Galahad, a Fujin can't. I run two Galahads, if I see a Tulu Fujin I will wait from outside 500m until it has fired, and then start running. I will get it before it gets me... The permanent Ancile, bigger range and the bigger splash radius offset the higher burst DPS, IMO. Also, Tridents have a place in the current TT meta, while Tulus don't, so I don't have to upgrade extra stuff. Of course, if you have Tulus levelled and no Tridents then Tulu Fujin is better than nothing Carny
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Post by frunobulax on Apr 20, 2017 8:54:02 GMT -5
I still wouldn't recommend using a Hydra Fujin in any other capacity as a fun robot in a changeup hangar, because I'd argue that it's not efficient enough for a top 5 robot. But as player who likes to play changeup hangars and to have fun at times, it's worh a shot. And no other robot has the same hate potential I don't think that many will try and argue that there are more effective setups... but the part that I think you seem to miss when asking is that the player may actually LIKE the bot. Just sayin I'm with you on this, brother I run all kinds of crazy stuff from time to time, when I run solo. And I levelled my Fujin a bit further recently, even though I have neither Hydras nor Tulumbas levelled. At the moment I want my core hangar (Plasma Ancilot, Plasmahad, Zeus Carnage and Stuka Griffin) at level 9-10 before I devote significant time to my pet projects And Fujin is just ultra slooooooow to upgrade.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 20, 2017 8:56:52 GMT -5
I'd go with the Tulumbas Fujin. I used this bot until I got my Fury. Awesome bot. Loved it. I tried the others, and didn't like it. Always went back to this one. It IS fun, isn't it? I used to like it more than the RDB, but now I think I like them both about the same, for different reasons. Tbh, the Moon map is why I have started using the RDB again, since Rogs and other Griffs like to perch and an RBD can hit a whole lot of that map with the 500m range and a jump. It sucks if they flank you (there are so many ways to be flanked on that map!) but if you have a good team you can pick them off with relative ease. That said... for the longest time I was Tri Carn and Zeus Carn, only, for serious play. Now, I would run any of the 4... Tulu Fujin, RBD Griff, or both Carny MR options, and not feel like I was handicapped.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Apr 20, 2017 8:58:14 GMT -5
I don't think that many will try and argue that there are more effective setups... but the part that I think you seem to miss when asking is that the player may actually LIKE the bot. Just sayin I'm with you on this, brother I run all kinds of crazy stuff from time to time, when I run solo. And I levelled my Fujin a bit further recently, even though I have neither Hydras nor Tulumbas levelled. At the moment I want my core hangar (Plasma Ancilot, Plasmahad, Zeus Carnage and Stuka Griffin) at level 9-10 before I devote significant time to my pet projects And Fujin is just ultra slooooooow to upgrade. That is deffo the truth... one of the slowest bots to level and I don't get that at all... lol
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Post by tugipus on Apr 20, 2017 9:11:30 GMT -5
But Carny can outrun a Galahad, a Fujin can't. I run two Galahads, if I see a Tulu Fujin I will wait from outside 500m until it has fired, and then start running. I will get it before it gets me... The permanent Ancile, bigger range and the bigger splash radius offset the higher burst DPS, IMO. Also, Tridents have a place in the current TT meta, while Tulus don't, so I don't have to upgrade extra stuff. Of course, if you have Tulus levelled and no Tridents then Tulu Fujin is better than nothing Carny I am not sure at how many occasions you can wait from outside 500m (on a close range map like dead city or factory or city part of springfield) to start running on that fujin. I find that 10 km/h speed advantage wont buy Plasmahads enough time to close in on me till i get around the next corner and 2 salvos will kill the Galahad, thats 20 sec (including the first salvo and one reload)
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Post by frunobulax on Apr 20, 2017 10:02:55 GMT -5
You always have to pick your battles in a Galahad. I'm just saying that the long reload makes the Fujin very vulnerable. If you just have fired you won't get the second round out until 36 seconds have passed. And depending on the map, you can try to close in and take cover again. Galahad should aways avoid midrange rockets. But I'll rather face Tulus in my Galahad than Tridents. Most Fujins don't expect me to rush them, and if they have their shield enabled I've got 2 extra seconds to close in. But if I find that they retreat and I can't get close, I'll reverse and get out of range again
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 15:18:56 GMT -5
I'm with you on this, brother I run all kinds of crazy stuff from time to time, when I run solo. And I levelled my Fujin a bit further recently, even though I have neither Hydras nor Tulumbas levelled. At the moment I want my core hangar (Plasma Ancilot, Plasmahad, Zeus Carnage and Stuka Griffin) at level 9-10 before I devote significant time to my pet projects And Fujin is just ultra slooooooow to upgrade. That is deffo the truth... one of the slowest bots to level and I don't get that at all... lol Fujin is basically a heavy bot with 1 heavy and 3 medium hard points. You need to upgrade the bot and the built-in Ancile.
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Post by tugipus on Apr 21, 2017 3:14:48 GMT -5
You always have to pick your battles in a Galahad. I'm just saying that the long reload makes the Fujin very vulnerable. If you just have fired you won't get the second round out until 36 seconds have passed. And depending on the map, you can try to close in and take cover again. Galahad should aways avoid midrange rockets. But I'll rather face Tulus in my Galahad than Tridents. Most Fujins don't expect me to rush them, and if they have their shield enabled I've got 2 extra seconds to close in. But if I find that they retreat and I can't get close, I'll reverse and get out of range again The long reload is a weakness, yes. Gives you a lot of time to check the battlefield for targets and dangers though so you wont miss a Galahad lurking nearby I also agree that tridents are worse than tulus if i play my Galahad but on the other hand, its much easier to spot the tridents on a Fury or Carnage then tulus on a fujin that peeks around a corner for 3 sec and unloads a full salvo of tulus on you...or a jumping RDB griff. Tulu fujins also never use their shield unless to persuade hydra, spiral, aphid or other missile users to shoot someone else.
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