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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 20:45:13 GMT -5
War Robots has started to lose it's luster for many, myself included, so I had to take the time to consider why.
One of the biggest stand-out issues I've come to, is Au. While I understand it's a business, and we more or less pay for time, the ability to play more for more resources was severely chokes by the league's progression system.
It isn't a measure of skill, but more of an illegitimate child of win rate and activity. Instead of bringing players to a competitive environment(personal definition: 50/50 chance at winning, equal chance for each player to score anywhere in the charts) consistent winning will drive players to a place where they are "The best of the worst" for their MM brackets (scoring towards the bottom no matter what). Shooting for Au gains through matches, almost guaranteed a gradual drop in the quality of games over the course of games played(as well as pushing one out of a place where they can earn in match Au)
Personally, I feel as though this strong-arm approach to controlling in game Au gains is what has driven so many players to purposely try to drop their scores. From a neutral standpoint, it isn't as black and white as "playing at your level like a fair chap" or "stop ditching and cheating", but several gradients of what people feel is fair.
I'm sure many have run into strings of games where they can't make a contribution, I know I have.
I would like the moral compass of ditching or whatever to remain out of this, so... Do you guys think grinding for Au is plausible in game?
Not daily tasks or league rewards, but game to game grinding.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 20:51:24 GMT -5
I feel like grinding is too limited. Previously 100 gold a day was average; 150-200 was a good day. Now even 80 is average and 100 gold a day is extraordinary.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 21:00:30 GMT -5
I voted yes. Because not only is grinding still plausible, but also necessary to generate silver, which is a much more valuable commodity than Au or WSP. Any extra Au you pick up is a nice bonus.
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Apr 14, 2017 21:08:24 GMT -5
There was never been a way to grind for Au other than clubbing. You cant really say that saving Au daily from tasks is grinding since it is SLOW. It is not worth to "grind" in a ethical form, since you have to play so much to earn almost nothing. Just wait and be patient, or farm on leaver league, although it is not worth as well to farm there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 21:18:24 GMT -5
I voted yes. Because not only is grinding still plausible, but also necessary to generate silver, which is a much more valuable commodity than Au or WSP. Any extra Au you pick up is a nice bonus. The question was geared specifically toward Au, as you're not really spending millions of Ag on Ag weapons and bots.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 21:23:24 GMT -5
I beg to differ, but it really doesn't matter. The question is grinding still plausible. The poll options are about Au. I voted yes. That is how I make my gold, is by grinding and daily tasks. The added benefit is silver, which I just spent 26 mil on an upgrade today.
But if you like I will delete my post and response to the poll.
Let me know.
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Post by ewing411 on Apr 14, 2017 21:26:04 GMT -5
This question will be a lot easier to answer when the next league reset happens and my position stays the same. In the past the two daily's and ocassional scorecard placements was enough for me. Being patient helped. Currently getting the Au on the score card has gotten pretty hard. By that I mean rare.
Add to that the only grinding I ever really did was trying to do finish missions before the next reset. This game doesn't have enough depth to make grinding interesting.
Truth be told I just want to shoot stuff up.
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Post by ewing411 on Apr 14, 2017 21:31:06 GMT -5
I voted yes. Because not only is grinding still plausible, but also necessary to generate silver, which is a much more valuable commodity than Au or WSP. Any extra Au you pick up is a nice bonus. The question was geared specifically toward Au, as you're not really spending millions of Ag on Ag weapons and bots. Aside, I wounded how many people (if any) spend Au to get Ag at the horrible exchange rate it is set at?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 21:39:32 GMT -5
I beg to differ, but it really doesn't matter. The question is grinding still plausible. The poll options are about Au. I voted yes. That is how I make my gold, is by grinding and daily tasks. The added benefit is silver, which I just spent 26 mil on an upgrade today. But if you like I will delete my post and response to the poll. Let me know. Never that, everyone is entitled to their opinion, which is the point of a poll lol
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Post by Sebenza 21 on Apr 14, 2017 21:47:13 GMT -5
What is meant by "grinding for gold"?
I thought I was grinding for gold by consistently squading, completing daily tasks and chasing beacon gold. Is that not "grinding for gold"?
Or does "grinding for gold" refer to chasing 10 Au each game?
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Post by SlowReflexes on Apr 14, 2017 21:56:09 GMT -5
It's certainly tougher than it used to be, but it's bearable.
I just bought my third Zeus today, so maybe I'm too satisfied with what I have, I dunno.
Like Old Man, I worry more about silver these days.
To go slightly off topic, I don't mind the slower gold earning so much as the other side effect of the big change.... If you play 'well', you get 'rewarded' by being made the weakest most ineffectual guy in the next match, as it were.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 22:01:56 GMT -5
What is meant by "grinding for gold"? I thought I was grinding for gold by consistently squading, completing daily tasks and chasing beacon gold. Is that not "grinding for gold"? Or does "grinding for gold" refer to chasing 10 Au each game? Unless you build a hangar specifically for, or ignore everything but beacons. You're not guaranteed beacon Au. Grinding is in terms of trying to amass any sort of substantial Au. For example old MM: 5th slot in approximately 33 days at 150Au through tasks (60 Au) And matches (20-30 matches for 90au with any "non clubber" forum approved hangar) vs 50-80 days under the current MM (via Dredd's Gepdiary.)
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Apr 14, 2017 22:02:31 GMT -5
You can use daily tasks to earn gold at a reasonable enough rate to build a hangar at a satisfying pace even if you are a casual gamer or are pressed for time. The worst are those 5,000 gold purchases, which should take no more than 3 months. That's not true of silver after a certain point.
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Post by shaolinrogue on Apr 14, 2017 22:08:45 GMT -5
There was never been a way to grind for Au other than clubbing. You cant really say that saving Au daily from tasks is grinding since it is SLOW. It is not worth to "grind" in a ethical form, since you have to play so much to earn almost nothing. Just wait and be patient, or farm on leaver league, although it is not worth as well to farm there. I never thought that having the optimized gear that is allowed within a given bracket in the old system was clubbing. The wonkey weighting system is what made it so unfair & it was poor sportsmanship using that to destroy super new players. I "Farmed" mostly at 5/7 for a long time leveling 1 of everything to that level to try out before deciding what to leave there for "Farming"/squading/having fun & what to go to L12 with. Farming & Grinding are 2 different things in progression based games. Before you could "Grind" up the resources to get some decent bots & weapons until you were at the top of that bracket. If you stopped leveling those bots and weapons you could then "Farm" at that level, gathering resources to buy and level equipment in the background while you continue to play at the top of your given "Tier". "Grinding" is the hard part where you struggle to get to a temporary high point. "Farming" is when you take your time at that point to gather resources before moving on to the next "Grind". Now with the league system, success pushes you forward ensuring you're always "Grinding" & never "Farming" & prevents you running anything but the best you have to keep from sliding back down the ladder. Since your continually being pushed up you always feel underpowered & pressured for a quick fix (Gold) I agree with the original OP that it's too aggressive & will give them a negative result to their bottom line in the long run. They could find more creative ways to encourage customers to open their wallets that wouldn't cause resentment. When I first started War Robots I was impressed that you could realistically get to end game content & have everything paying customers have for free in a very reasonable amount of time. Also, Pix has so far done a good job allowing some Ag/WSP Bots/Weapons to remain viable in end game content, making it even more accessible. The best part of all was the freedom to play at any level, with anyone, at any time & every pilot could progress at their own pace. You can always "Grind", but there really isn't any legit means of "farming" outside of Lque/Tanking. The best you can do is go all out for either beacons or damage & hope for the win. Maybe Squading to ensure an advantage over randoms is the only legit way to farm gold. I'm lucky Pix was too late to catch me up, I need silver & time now not gold.
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Post by zeus on Apr 14, 2017 22:25:38 GMT -5
I need more silver than au.
I have a gepard (misspent childhood hanging out with big boys with gepards), fury, 4 orkans and a Galahad for gold items. 3k au into my Lancelot and ancile, most of which is earned in the new MM. It's definitely harder to grind au by simply playing due to the new MM matching us with higher levelled hangars. In the old MM, half the players in high silver tend to be noobs with overlevelled destriers and Natashas. So it's a smaller competition for a win and gold. 10 gold was an occasional thing back then, now it's rare. The current au gain might be bearable for those who have older hangars filled with some toys, but it's likely not a blast for newer hangars without their 5th slot.
Not sure how viable it is to farm au in the LQ. I'm sure it was a clubbing fiesta before the LQ came on, seeing 12/12 Lancelot hangars get win streaks of 162.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 3:42:15 GMT -5
I guess you could theoretically, but it would be so incredibly slow, it wouldn't be worth it for too many. Best to just do your dailies, and get 60-70-80, then pickup whatever else, and not drive yourself mad.
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Post by hyderier on Apr 22, 2017 5:59:11 GMT -5
I'm just now grinding Medals of Capture, to get Gareth, to have it in shape for the anniversary event, so I have better chance of being able to grind for a Rog.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 6:23:15 GMT -5
I already have 2 Lancelots and pretty much most gold items I want. I still don't have 3 Zeus, 4 Gekkos, Rogatka, another Galahad, 2 Aphids, Gareth, but they can all wait. Maybe a few paint jobs too. For me, time is the biggest thing I need to grind.
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Post by cheap on Apr 23, 2017 0:50:26 GMT -5
yes its still possible. these days getting silver is more important
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 1:17:43 GMT -5
I've made a crapload of gold in leaver's queue.
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