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Post by Wolfblood7 on Feb 8, 2024 20:03:08 GMT -5
Here's something to think about- does it really matter whether you win or lose in a game? The matchmaking is so 「fluffernutter」ed these days that people who were in expert before the silver rush are now getting matched with the humpbacks. 99% of games I play are either me on my own or me and the guy in second scoring 8-14 million damage, while the rest of our team gets about 1 million each. I know there's no way we're going to win in that particular situation, so nowadays I just focus on damage and kills. Whether we win or lose, I still get a ton of silver if I play that way. Take this game for example, from my other thread. I scored more damage than my whole team combined, and more kills than all of them. SOMEHOW WE STILL LOST.  I still got a hefty silver payout though. So technically I won. Or did I? Officially, we lost. But I had a great game, and didn't even mind the loss. So is there any point in playing this game as a team anymore? Or is it just every man for himself? |
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Post by Typhon Johnny on Feb 8, 2024 21:17:30 GMT -5
It has always been every man for himself.... This is quite clear if you step back and watch.
Team play works in deathsquads.... Perhaps squad vs squad.
When doing timedrops i noticed that even when teamed up with like minded and quality players our " teamwork" had little effect on the matchmaking and the almost seemingly pre determined outcomes.
There are indeed those game tho that you feel you climbed the mountain and perhaps did indeed beat the pre determines mathematical algorithm working against you. Lol
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Post by killmenow on Feb 9, 2024 5:14:49 GMT -5
ahuh ....this is getting very boring now , tedious is more like it so might take a break for a while because matchmaking is the worst it's ever been .....and winning means literally nothing because ranks mean nothing  |
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Post by killmenow on Feb 9, 2024 7:33:18 GMT -5
just had this game and it was the definition of dumb.......game was going fine getting kills here and there then FIVE enemies spawned newtons , i was in a crises and so where most of my team and they kept taking shots at newts only to get one shot ... we where ahead anyway so i had to go around to each of our team and tell them no in the in game kind of way (shaking side to side lol) newtons can't do shi... to crisis in stealth so wait them out and its won unless they wanna throw away a freshly spawned newton x5 lol  |
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Post by BB on Feb 9, 2024 8:12:39 GMT -5
It was established here long, long ago by many veteran players that every aspect of this game is absolutely rigged.
Winning or losing never matters to me, Iâm just looking for a challenging and stimulating experience. The moment I realize that the MM has dropped me into an impossible bowl of 「dookie」, I simply leave and enter the next match.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Feb 9, 2024 8:35:30 GMT -5
In every screenshot I see here, the losing team has a tanker. Someone scoring less than 200k.
That instantly turns the game into a 5 on 6. That extra bot either flips beacons unopposed or helps ensure constant 2v1 battles that lead almost every time to the inevitable defeat.
Sometimes you are with the winners, sometimes the losers.
Pixonic could identify and ban/suspend/whatever them so easily. They would stick out like a sore thumb in any sort of database query versus the match results you know Pix has.
But they don't care, not even the slightest.
I have finished 58 matches in my current Every Bot War. 36 have been ruined by some combo of tankers and seal clubbers on either side leaving 22 real games.
That's 66.7% of matches ruined. And yet my winrate is still 55.6%.
Pixonic!
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Post by killmenow on Feb 9, 2024 8:50:32 GMT -5
In every screenshot I see here, the losing team has a tanker. Someone scoring less than 200k. That instantly turns the game into a 5 on 6. That extra bot either flips beacons unopposed or helps ensure constant 2v1 battles that lead almost every time to the inevitable defeat. Sometimes you are with the winners, sometimes the losers. Pixonic could identify and ban/suspend/whatever them so easily. They would stick out like a sore thumb in any sort of database query versus the match results you know Pix has. But they don't care, not even the slightest. I have finished 58 matches in my current Every Bot War. 36 have been ruined by some combo of tankers and seal clubbers on either side leaving 22 real games. That's 66.7% of matches ruined. And yet my winrate is still 55.6%. Pixonic! just for the record (and i know you ain't saying it to me) i'm no seal clubber i'm master 2 very close to M1 (will be my first time in master1) with almost full mk2 hanger no mk3's at all in my lineup , the only reason i opt out of a match is if i see .......multiple ocho's or curie rushing our spawn (happens often when matched with champs) because you know right away it's an instant loss ...and sometimes if there's multiple easy mode titans you know which one because it's game over anyway might as well move on. what i have noticed A LOT of is expert and master hangers filled with level 6-8 bots sometimes new bots sometimes older fodder many of them have 50% win rate should not be anywhere near these leagues ....these are the ones often just sat idle watching the games or leaving after 1 bot because there is no way they can manage , i've come to the conclusion they are fake accounts because i've monitored these and they'll spawn in head straight over to the enemy fire a little bit and that's it for them and they ALL do the same thing (and by fake account i mean AI generated by pix to be fodder) and why i suspect they are bots is as explained but also they never ever move rank they stay in master or stay in expert no matter how much they lose. |
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Post by Typhon Johnny on Feb 9, 2024 10:40:38 GMT -5
Crimmons has it right. Super easy to spot the cheats.... I look at win streak and games won.
Top non cheaters 25k games won...win streak.... Around 16 or so
Cheaters have win steaks in the 30s or 40s.... With 1k to 40k wins.
Alot of tanking is like bots ...the player has his computer run the game for him... One bot runs firing .... Once dead... Computer waits and runs it again... The pc can be made to run the games in a limited fashion.
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Post by milty72 on Feb 9, 2024 16:07:39 GMT -5
It was established here long, long ago by many veteran players that every aspect of this game is absolutely rigged. Winning or losing never matters to me, Iâm just looking for a challenging and stimulating experience. The moment I realize that the MM has dropped me into an impossible bowl of 「dookie」, I simply leave and enter the next match. Thats my thoughts. It's about the challenge. Like running an all Reaver Bolt hangar in Champs and getting a Wrampage. We won and I didn't come in 6th and I didn't bot out or run my Titan. That was a fun pretty even needle in a haystack game that keeps me coming back.  |
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 9, 2024 16:19:16 GMT -5
Crimmons has it right. Super easy to spot the cheats.... I look at win streak and games won. Top non cheaters 25k games won...win streak.... Around 16 or so Cheaters have win steaks in the 30s or 40s.... With 1k to 40k wins. Alot of tanking is like bots ...the player has his computer run the game for him... One bot runs firing .... Once dead... Computer waits and runs it again... The pc can be made to run the games in a limited fashion. Horrible metrics to use. I'd say patently false on almost every count.
This is not how to spot a cheat with any degree of accuracy.
By your reckoning, this account would be owned by a cheater.
It is not.
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Post by Wolfblood7 on Feb 9, 2024 17:20:52 GMT -5
Crimmons has it right. Super easy to spot the cheats.... I look at win streak and games won. Top non cheaters 25k games won...win streak.... Around 16 or so Cheaters have win steaks in the 30s or 40s.... With 1k to 40k wins. Alot of tanking is like bots ...the player has his computer run the game for him... One bot runs firing .... Once dead... Computer waits and runs it again... The pc can be made to run the games in a limited fashion. Horrible metrics to use. I'd say patently false on almost every count.
This is not how to spot a cheat with any degree of accuracy.
By your reckoning, this account would be owned by a cheater.
It is not.
I usually base cheating assumptions on these things: A player who's ability cooldown is almost non existent Last stand lasting way longer than it should Shooting back to full health out of nowhere That last sliver of health that remains even if you are shooting them Example of the last one - |
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 9, 2024 17:23:25 GMT -5
Horrible metrics to use. I'd say patently false on almost every count.
This is not how to spot a cheat with any degree of accuracy.
By your reckoning, this account would be owned by a cheater.
It is not.
I usually base cheating assumptions on these things: A player who's ability cooldown is almost non existent Last stand lasting way longer than it should Shooting back to full health out of nowhere That last sliver of health that remains even if you are shooting them Example of the last one - I respect those metrics. |
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Post by moses on Feb 9, 2024 17:43:09 GMT -5
I was the second lowest scorer in this game. The highest scorer in the game has 34k victories, is someone I think I have seen playing for the better part of ten years , definitely knows what he is doing and red had another 2-3 champs. I won this game and I enjoyed it a lot more than some of the 3-4MM point games.  |
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Feb 9, 2024 20:00:47 GMT -5
In every screenshot I see here, the losing team has a tanker. Someone scoring less than 200k. That instantly turns the game into a 5 on 6. That extra bot either flips beacons unopposed or helps ensure constant 2v1 battles that lead almost every time to the inevitable defeat. Sometimes you are with the winners, sometimes the losers. Pixonic could identify and ban/suspend/whatever them so easily. They would stick out like a sore thumb in any sort of database query versus the match results you know Pix has. But they don't care, not even the slightest. I have finished 58 matches in my current Every Bot War. 36 have been ruined by some combo of tankers and seal clubbers on either side leaving 22 real games. That's 66.7% of matches ruined. And yet my winrate is still 55.6%. Pixonic! just for the record (and i know you ain't saying it to me) i'm no seal clubber i'm master 2 very close to M1 (will be my first time in master1) with almost full mk2 hanger no mk3's at all in my lineup , the only reason i opt out of a match is if i see .......multiple ocho's or curie rushing our spawn (happens often when matched with champs) because you know right away it's an instant loss ...and sometimes if there's multiple easy mode titans you know which one because it's game over anyway might as well move on. what i have noticed A LOT of is expert and master hangers filled with level 6-8 bots sometimes new bots sometimes older fodder many of them have 50% win rate should not be anywhere near these leagues ....these are the ones often just sat idle watching the games or leaving after 1 bot because there is no way they can manage , i've come to the conclusion they are fake accounts because i've monitored these and they'll spawn in head straight over to the enemy fire a little bit and that's it for them and they ALL do the same thing (and by fake account i mean AI generated by pix to be fodder) and why i suspect they are bots is as explained but also they never ever move rank they stay in master or stay in expert no matter how much they lose. I’m in Diamond, I’m definitely not pointing fingers. I see the same patterns over and over. Most of the time these poor ‘disconnected’ pilots have thousands of wins, thousands of winged cups and max damages north of 5 million. On top of their hangars, there’s no way they should be in Diamond. Many use a scripted Hurricane Typhon to throw damage down range to make it appear they played. I report them all the same. I also push them into enemy fire or acid pits or off edges so they will get no tickets. North of 90% of them are from China or Mexico in their pilot profiles. You’d think they would be ashamed to out their countries like that. |
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Feb 9, 2024 20:04:51 GMT -5
Crimmons has it right. Super easy to spot the cheats.... I look at win streak and games won. Top non cheaters 25k games won...win streak.... Around 16 or so Cheaters have win steaks in the 30s or 40s.... With 1k to 40k wins. Alot of tanking is like bots ...the player has his computer run the game for him... One bot runs firing .... Once dead... Computer waits and runs it again... The pc can be made to run the games in a limited fashion. Horrible metrics to use. I'd say patently false on almost every count.
This is not how to spot a cheat with any degree of accuracy.
By your reckoning, this account would be owned by a cheater.
It is not.
Of course not. They're winning 86% percent of their games. Theyâre a monster. Now if they had a 12% winrate, 18k average damage, 6k winged cups and 8mill max damage in Diamond, well, those are the 「female dog」es I see all the time. |
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Post by gus169 on Feb 9, 2024 20:14:18 GMT -5
Nice perspective in the OP Wolfblood7I stopped caring long ago, but I've never stopped having fun. It might have even helped in that. Little wins can come in many forms other than a green scorecard |
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Post by Typhon Johnny on Feb 9, 2024 22:44:39 GMT -5
Thunderkiss ..as a quick reference ill use what metrics i like. The couple i mentioned are where i look first, then i dig. Id rather believe the person is not a cheater and that his set up is good and refined. In your example 245 straight wins i would certainly consider suspicious.... Either whaled up and went on a rampage or more likely tanked like a mofo and goes on streaks..... Tanking down and seal clubbing while not specifically cheating .. Bro is still a douche But id prolly concede the point if no tanking and its an uber whale. Its your alt isnt it... Lol The best way to catch a cheat is video playback and your metrics and others mentioned are also good. The take no damage etc....so many many ways peeps are cheating. Cheating in every aspect of this game is rampant. 245 straight wins...lol. Yeah thats normal .granted not impossible but also not normal..... So when not normal i may look deeper and these and others noted are exactly the metrics that could be easilly pulled and examined to spot the fing losers who are allowed to cheat while pixo charges me for the privalage. To get butt 「grape」.
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Post by Typhon Johnny on Feb 9, 2024 23:02:56 GMT -5
Wolfblood7 i also found the OP intriguing..... In a game that records wins and losses you the player seemingly have rather limited impact in the result. Predominantly it seems other factors have more impact.... I wont go into more as i best think about what i may say first.... But for a long time damage and kills have been what appears to matter most to many players. Winning isnt the goal....silver is...... Tanking and other things done for this reason perhaps. Remember king of the hill..... Removed cuz peeps just used it to farm silver... Anyway i do enjoy your posts and your tubes.... Props
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 10, 2024 8:31:42 GMT -5
Thunderkiss ..as a quick reference ill use what metrics i like. The couple i mentioned are where i look first, then i dig. Id rather believe the person is not a cheater and that his set up is good and refined. In your example 245 straight wins i would certainly consider suspicious.... Either whaled up and went on a rampage or more likely tanked like a mofo and goes on streaks..... Tanking down and seal clubbing while not specifically cheating .. Bro is still a douche But id prolly concede the point if no tanking and its an uber whale. Its your alt isnt it... Lol The best way to catch a cheat is video playback and your metrics and others mentioned are also good. The take no damage etc....so many many ways peeps are cheating. Cheating in every aspect of this game is rampant. 245 straight wins...lol. Yeah thats normal .granted not impossible but also not normal..... So when not normal i may look deeper and these and others noted are exactly the metrics that could be easilly pulled and examined to spot the fing losers who are allowed to cheat while pixo charges me for the privalage. To get butt 「grape」. As a quick reference, feel free to use whatever metrics you like, however stupid or wrong they are. It's a good thing modern science doesn't use faulty logic such as this or we'd all be in the dark ages still, burning witches because they float.
Buy hey, you do you.
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Post by Typhon Johnny on Feb 10, 2024 15:59:49 GMT -5
Thunderkiss i apologise for the tone at the start of the last post there Ive been looking into and was attempting to explain where i see anomalies. Id have to agree i didnt think it out or state it very well. Why dont you tell us how you got 245 wins.....
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Post by botgamer3 on Feb 10, 2024 18:31:38 GMT -5
As somebody once said the battle is won or lost before any combatants enter the fields of battle. So the MM has already decided who wins or loses before the match has begun.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 10, 2024 19:49:23 GMT -5
Thunderkiss i apologise for the tone at the start of the last post there Ive been looking into and was attempting to explain where i see anomalies. Id have to agree i didnt think it out or state it very well. Why dont you tell us how you got 245 wins..... Early days of FBGR. Very insulated environment, individual effort went a LONG way, and if you squadded, it went even further.
I've since lost that account, facebook got hacked.
Those days are LONG gone now.
I apologize as well. I didn't need to be so hostile, it's just a game after all.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 10, 2024 19:51:52 GMT -5
As somebody once said the battle is won or lost before any combatants enter the fields of battle. So the MM has already decided who wins or loses before the match has begun. The MM can't decide anything.
It can encourage, but not decide.
Your fate is your own.
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