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Post by 079 on May 8, 2023 17:47:24 GMT -5
This is one that has been a while in the making, because I really want to communicate my thoughts clearly on this. I’m sure many people hate Mars right now because it is the OP meta, but I assure you, my hatred for this bot goes much deeper, and “hatred” is not a word I use lightly. There are bots I am annoyed by, like Seraph, Behemoth (more the weapons than the bot, but still), Siren/Harpy, and Skyros, but being annoying or OP does not get a bot onto my hated list. To be hated by me, a bot has to, in my eyes, be a violation of the principles War Robots was built on. Of course this is subjective, but that is what a rant is for!
So, what is the principle that I am referring to? Well, it is the concept of one-sided battles, or “I can shoot you, but you cannot shoot me back”. Now, there is a spectrum to this idea, ranging from simple shields blocking damage to Angler’s Electric Shift ability, hence its subjectivity. But, I think we can all agree there is a difference between physical/energy shields and Electric Shift in terms of fairness. Physical shields have finite durability, energy shields are bypassed by Shieldbreaker or being close to the host bot, and both do not protect against certain damage types. Aegis and Absorber shields are a step up, but those have weaknesses too and are only really bad in certain situations. After this is when lines start to get crossed though. I personally give Phase Shift a pass because you give up a different active module, your beacon, and your ability to shoot while using it, so it is alright. Force fields are pretty bad, but do not quite bother as much as they maybe should, likely because Pixonic is introducing counters like Rust and the old drones have conditioned me to always expect mega resistance on enemy bots. I do not blame anyone for thinking I am too lenient on force fields though. But now we get to the real stinkers, my “unholy trilogy” of unfair mechanics: Scorpion, Angler, and of course, Mars. To me, these three are peak “I can shoot you, but you cannot shoot me back”.
I’ve voiced my distaste for Scorpion and Angler already, but I’ll go over them quickly for newer members and as a primer for my Mars analysis. Angler being unfair is quite easy to explain, as its ability literally is one-sided. The Angler is completely invincible while also damaging other bots and then blinding them, letting Angler score tons of basically or literally free damage. Yeah the ability is close range, but Angler’s speed and shield means it can easily catch most targets. I have talked about Scorpion before, but I express my thoughts more clearly now. Yeah Scorpion is vulnerable to Quantum Sensor/Radar and EMP, and it is kinda squishy, but that in no way justifies its (to me) broken concept. When Scorpion was introduced, the game had seen nothing even close to it. Every bot, even Pursuer and Loki, was easy to spot and track if you had enough awareness, and all had to largely obey map terrain. But Scorpion threw both of those fundamental principles out the window with its Backstab ability. As long as a forgiving 350 meters was maintained, users could instantly and without warning teleport to victims, often out of their field of view. To say Scorpion uses the element of surprise is giving it too much credit, as for the first 6 years of the game, the element of surprise was earned through good tactics, not packaged in with an ability. Again, there is no in-game warning for Scorpion attacks, and lots of bots have the camera positioned such that attacking Scorpions are not even in their field of view. It’s not surprising but simply unfair, and just because players managed to get used to it over time does not excuse it (to me). This is not even taking into consideration how users could abort the ability at any time, making what could be a risk/reward bot very forgiving in practice. Until the proliferation of EMP over the past 8 months, this option was essentially guaranteed. It’s simply laughable, if you ask me.
Scorpion sat as my most hated bot for a long time (Angler is really bad, but not quite as bad), but Mars is really starting to challenge it now. So, let’s finally get into why this stupid bot is so broken! Allow me to start by making a general description of Mars’ Remote Assault ability: Mars deploys a turret in a parabolic arc (allowing it to bypass map features) to attack enemies within roughly 350 meters that are in hard-to-reach positions. This sounds eerily similar to Scorpion’s Backstab, right? Well, I only realized this connection around a week or so ago, and it perfectly explains why Remote Assault always put me off somehow. And well, with this connection of fundamentally broken abilities realized, Mars has become my third officially hated bot! In many ways, Remote Assault is actually worse than Backstab since it presents even less risk to the user than the already relatively safe Backstab. While Scorpion and even Angler need to expose themselves to use their abilities, Mars can remain completely behind cover and thus spam Remote Assault with no consequences. And if users want to be more bold, Mars’ powerful, streamlined shield and increased speed during the ability make farming damage even easier. The speed means Mars is honestly in a stronger state than when the ability is inactive, which means the bot has no obvious weaknesses to exploit like the the others (EMP, certain active modules, or swarming it). The icing on the cupcake is of course the turret’s damage, with a full clip dealing a withering 300k damage with a full clip at mark 3 (it was 500k pre-nerf, so it used to be way worse!). So basically, users can just press a button to either heavily damage opponents (including titans and tanks) or flush them out of cover with no effort on their part. This would be more understandable if Mars was weaker without the turret or the turret itself were vulnerable in some way, but as it stands, the ability is completely unfair for the opponent. When fighting a Mars, one cannot try to squeak in a few thousand damage to a stealthed bot or a bot that blinded them, as the turret is completely invincible. One can either eat the damage or completely abandon their strategic position, with no option to fight back, in a fighting game. It is unfair and honestly stupid, and I hate it.
But it does not stop there! You see, when I called Mars broken, it was a double meaning, as Mars is broken conceptually, as well as broken in practice due to glitches. Mars’ turret is one of the most inconsistent things in this game and it is truly baffling. I say this because both of the two major bugs I have seen both revolve around it and not Mars itself. The first bug is with the turret literally teleporting after deployment. The turret is launched and slides to its final position as expected, but then suddenly teleports as much as 100 meters to it actual final position. To the game, the turret was always at the teleported-to position, which of course is very disorienting to players who think the turret is somewhere else. I have actually lost bots to turrets appearing in the incorrect positions, so this is not just some small visual oddity. The other bug is where when the turret it attached to Mars, it’s bullets do not shoot out of it, but rather materialize from nowhere someplace away from the bot. Like, I have the Mars that still visibly has its turret attached shooting its Fainters on my left, and a stream of turret bullets are inexplicably coming from my right, and it is very disorienting to say the least. Luckily this second bug is rare, with me only getting it once or twice, but the first bug happens literally every battle. Once you notice that first bug, you cannot un-notice it, and it is painful to know this is screwing up everyone.
Even though I hate these bots, they are not irredeemable. In fact, here are how I would nerf each bot to make them be more fair. Mars should be nerfed by making the turret be vulnerable (say, 200,000 hit points at mark 3) and fixing the bugs. Angler should get a speed and shield durability nerf (Pixonic nerfed the ability damage and cooldown adequately). And lastly, Scorpion should not be able to abort its ability (tapping the button during the ability ends it without teleporting back, and Scorpion automatically teleports back when the ability timer expires). With these nerfs, these three bots would need more skill to play, and more importantly, be much more fair to the opponent. I wish these bots were never invented, but I am not just gonna remove them from the game out of spite and leave owners empty-handed.
So there you have it, my case study of Mars and why it is terrible, with a good helping of Scorpion and Angler hate as well. Thanks for attending my Ted Talk, and I’m glad to have gotten this off my chest! To anyone who likes or runs these bots, please consider getting better at the game so you don’t need to run these stupid bots as compensation. That is all.
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Post by Poopface on May 8, 2023 20:12:24 GMT -5
I have a Shocktrain Mars. I like it as a troll bot.
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Post by TerrorStorm on May 8, 2023 21:32:43 GMT -5
Some good points on Mars. The Turret and "fitted" shield are problematic. I'd also really emphasize the speed of this bot. Really moves quickly and with the ROSE pilot I believe it is a 7% increase in speed. I'd also add the Fainter weapons which you see on this act a lot like Pulsar with long range and lock down. Definitely a tough bot. I guess my only real defense of Mars is I just don't them at the same level of proliferation as Angler, for example. Being in Masters I constantly face hangers full of Anglers, Seraphs and now Lynx. Seeing hanger with 3 Lynx or 3 Angler is not uncommon.
Your points on Angler are well said. This to me is the most broken bot in the game and you see LOADS of them.
Almost feels like Mars is going to end up more like Scorpion. Unless it is Nerfed brutally (Fafnir) it will remain a viable bot that you see one or two per game but not in hordes.
In full transparency I've been running my Techno Scorpion since it was introduced a couple years ago. Guilty as charged.
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Post by Taboga73 on May 9, 2023 3:26:26 GMT -5
The Mars turret is the aspect that is the issue - I have witnessed it changing location after landing on a structure or hill. It will land and then walk over about some meters to a new location. It needs to have a fixed amount of health that can be reduced by enemy damage and then cease to exist when it is destroyed. Make it a consumable item that cannot be replenished. The Mars can still keep its increased speed after losing the turret. The Sirius also has a similar setup that could fall under the same restrictions.
Scorpion is on the fence for me. I use mine to hunt Mars, other Scorpions, landing birds, annoying snipers, and enemies on cool down to include Titans.
Angler should not have the ability to blind enemies as it essentially lengthens the Electric Shift ability. That ability should be used to reload weapons and/or a chance to seek cover. Add in a hit from the Gravity Amp, EMP blast, or Lockdown and you simply have to sit there as an idiot - helpless.
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Post by airfix2 on May 9, 2023 12:25:55 GMT -5
the mars turret is ridiculously powerful. it has the dps of an orkan, but has no reload time whatsoever.
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Post by davortrogon on May 9, 2023 13:24:04 GMT -5
Personally my least favorite robots to come to the game were Siren and Harpy, which mess with the ranged aspect of destroying principles. Because they fly up at an angle, if you shoot them with 600 meter range guns on the ground, they use their ability and shoot at you with their 500 meter range bendy weapons. It was the combination of the Harpy and the bendy gun that gets me.
You can't damage it in the air, and when you had tried to use range to fight it, it is suddenly able to fight back. Then, you have to retreat about 100-150 meters only for it to teleport back and make it to cover. The Bendy weapons completely violate most covers. You can't cornershoot someone if they have these without taking all their damage; might as well not use cover. Especially round covers; you run all the way around to avoid the reach of the bullets only for them to shoot the other side and hit you anyway. Plus, the shieldbreaker on top of all this, as a pilot meaning they can also use lockdown or quantum radar. If you give up on your cover, you still can't shoot them in the air. The only way to fight these things was to run away. Or get close. If you managed to spawn near one, you get under it. If your an Ares you would use your shield just to run under it, so when you take off you have a split second of cover. And this was it. Just waiting then and their deft survivor out. And the cherry on top was the bomb effect; even if you had cover they could still hurt you.
So many violations in 2 robots. I hate these the most.
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Post by Jeb on May 9, 2023 15:06:53 GMT -5
Scorpion and Revenant are the ones I hate the most. They ruined an enjoyable aspect of the game...it no longer pays to have a fast beacon runner at the start of the game because a Red could just wait for you to arrive and teleport to you.
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Post by 079 on May 9, 2023 17:17:33 GMT -5
davortrogon Siren/Harpy do rub me the wrong way, but do not quite make my hated bots list. I agree that the ability is stupid and is guilty of many of the things I brought up in the original post, but what “saves” Siren/Harpy to me is that I do not have too hard of a time killing them. It stinks that their shields return so much damage, but at least the shields do not block a ton of damage, and the bots are quite vulnerable to corrosion. Plus, if you can one-shot them with something like Gauss or Trebuchet, none of the damage is returned, so that is cool too. They also are super vulnerable to EMP, as it keeps them from teleporting back. These bots are okay enough, but if I were to expand my list, these two would probably be first in line. Jeb That is a really good point that I completely agree with. I have had that happen several times before (me or a teammate trying to defend a beacon ironically enables Scorpion/Revenant to capture it), and am surprised I forgot to mention it. I guess what keeps Revenant off my “most hated” list is that it cannot teleport back, and it teleports in front of opponents and often has to rotate its (slow turning) hull to face it, loosing a lot of that unfair surprise factor. I still dislike this bot, but not quite hate it.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on May 9, 2023 17:19:13 GMT -5
Players would have less aggravation if they: 1) Built up hangars (very cheaply or f2p) competitive up to maybe Gold League, then either “league manage” to stay down there, or 2) Stop playing that account, start a new account and repeat #1, repeatedly With occasional exceptions you wont be dealing with most of the bs of higher leagues, especially things like your three most hated mechs, because they wont: - be proliferating - be unreasonably leveled - have leveled pilots or even have pilots - have leveled modules or even have premium modules - have leveled drones or even have drones And dont use the excuse ‘I have invested so much in my hangar already’, I sold all of my stuff, and it was mostly all mk3. Fun is more important, is it not?
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Post by davortrogon on May 9, 2023 18:05:04 GMT -5
Oh yeah by the way if you have ever run into someone who knows how to do the teleport trick then they are an absolute nightmare. Imagine seeing the scorpion 1,100 meters away on Springfield; they are near a beacon so one of your teammates are going to fight them, and suddenly they are behind you. Your empty Prisma Behemoth isn't as good as a fully loaded Havoc Scorpion. Then they go about taking the dam beacon, which you were defending from, and turning the match around.
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Post by BB on May 10, 2023 10:10:14 GMT -5
The EZ button bots will always sell and perform, delivering the illusion of superiority and achievement to their drivers.
IMO the trend will continue because pix already has the next 6 EZ button bots on the back burner. Just too dang profitable to change it up. Just remember that all these new players are immediately chasing these EZBB’s right out of the gate with no frame of reference to what actual skill looks like, and that’s a GOOD thing IMO.
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Post by 079 on May 10, 2023 10:27:50 GMT -5
Players would have less aggravation if they: 1) Built up hangars (very cheaply or f2p) competitive up to maybe Gold League, then either “league manage” to stay down there, or 2) Stop playing that account, start a new account and repeat #1, repeatedly … And dont use the excuse ‘I have invested so much in my hangar already’, I sold all of my stuff, and it was mostly all mk3. Fun is more important, is it not? Ignoring how the fact I criticized these bots from an ideological perspective (meaning I was not concerned with how powerful or actually hard to face they were, just how they stacked up to my definition of fairness) makes your practical solution a flimsy counterpoint, I wish I could just do these things and suddenly never see these bots again. Over the past three or so months, my account has been steadily falling through the leagues, with me once being Master III but now on my way to Diamond I. I have not unreasonably tampered with my hangars or playstyle at all, it is just that my preference to run whatever gear I want at 1.9 is no longer viable for the higher leagues. My outdated approach means I get to drift into more favorable circumstances with no real effort on my part. As my profile and testimony from Friday Time Drop members show, I still put in effort and adequate numbers to contribute to a team, but not enough to avoid bleeding league points. But I’m fine with that, as I am largely out if the line of fire for this insane meta. But as I shall get into, things have not turned out the way you said they would. Now that I reaching the middle leagues, I am seeing for myself what players like Cdr. Crimmins have been saying for a while now, which is that your perception of the middle leagues is only slightly true at best. In the current state of War Robots, the middle leagues (Silver League - Diamond League) do not necessarily have less powerful equipment, but just less consistently powerful equipment. Players’ hangars have equipment whose levels are all over the place, and with equally inconsistently leveled pilots or drones, but one thing is certain: these players have easy access to leveled, powerful if not fringe meta, equipment. The players in Diamond league that I see have hangars full of almost exclusively tier four equipment, specifically things released in the past couple years, making them only a bit less powerful than players in Expert or even Master League. Why is there this unusually high amount of powerful equipment in the middle leagues? Well, it is because Pixonic is letting these players build fringe meta hangars cheap with crazy offers, and as the saying goes, “When everyone is super, nobody is”, meaning these players get stuck in a gridlock where the people who feel it the most are people like me who do not have these pimped hangars. Here are some of the offers to show you how the middle leagues are being polluted: Oh, and here is an offer that includes one of my hated bots, nice! This screenshot is a bit old (offers no longer show how much of a sale they are), but this one still appears regularly. I once believed what you believe, but like many things in this game, reality paints a different picture.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on May 10, 2023 11:38:38 GMT -5
Players would have less aggravation if they: 1) Built up hangars (very cheaply or f2p) competitive up to maybe Gold League, then either âleague manageâ to stay down there, or 2) Stop playing that account, start a new account and repeat #1, repeatedly ⦠And dont use the excuse âI have invested so much in my hangar alreadyâ, I sold all of my stuff, and it was mostly all mk3. Fun is more important, is it not? Ignoring how the fact I criticized these bots from an ideological perspective (meaning I was not concerned with how powerful or actually hard to face they were, just how they stacked up to my definition of fairness) makes your practical solution a flimsy counterpoint, I wish I could just do these things and suddenly never see these bots again. Over the past three or so months, my account has been steadily falling through the leagues, with me once being Master III but now on my way to Diamond I. I have not unreasonably tampered with my hangars or playstyle at all, it is just that my preference to run whatever gear I want at 1.9 is no longer viable for the higher leagues. My outdated approach means I get to drift into more favorable circumstances with no real effort on my part. As my profile and testimony from Friday Time Drop members show, I still put in effort and adequate numbers to contribute to a team, but not enough to avoid bleeding league points. But Iâm fine with that, as I am largely out if the line of fire for this insane meta. But as I shall get into, things have not turned out the way you said they would. Now that I reaching the middle leagues, I am seeing for myself what players like Cdr. Crimmins have been saying for a while now, which is that your perception of the middle leagues is only slightly true at best. In the current state of War Robots, the middle leagues (Silver League - Diamond League) do not necessarily have less powerful equipment, but just less consistently powerful equipment. Playersâ hangars have equipment whose levels are all over the place, and with equally inconsistently leveled pilots or drones, but one thing is certain: these players have easy access to leveled, powerful if not fringe meta, equipment. The players in Diamond league that I see have hangars full of almost exclusively tier four equipment, specifically things released in the past couple years, making them only a bit less powerful than players in Expert or even Master League. Why is there this unusually high amount of powerful equipment in the middle leagues? Well, it is because Pixonic is letting these players build fringe meta hangars cheap with crazy offers, and as the saying goes, âWhen everyone is super, nobody isâ, meaning these players get stuck in a gridlock where the people who feel it the most are people like me who do not have these pimped hangars. Here are some of the offers to show you how the middle leagues are being polluted: Oh, and here is an offer that includes one of my hated bots, nice! This screenshot is a bit old (offers no longer show how much of a sale they are), but this one still appears regularly. I once believed what you believe, but like many things in this game, reality paints a different picture. Bro, my practical solution is precisely the answer to your very reasonable perspective about fairness, and I would not have bothered taking time to share all those points if I myself wasnt playing my kids low level silver league account. Everything I said is true and a perfect solution to dealing with the unfairness of leagues mid-Gold and up. You do you, Im just saying players continue to tolerate the imbalances needlessly. Playing my kids account sometimes is very similar to 6pack, with the exception of low level easily killed Fafs and Seraphs. Make a separate account and try it out before telling someone they are full of 「dookie」 lol
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Post by munkeeee on May 10, 2023 12:17:28 GMT -5
Ignoring how the fact I criticized these bots from an ideological perspective (meaning I was not concerned with how powerful or actually hard to face they were, just how they stacked up to my definition of fairness) makes your practical solution a flimsy counterpoint, I wish I could just do these things and suddenly never see these bots again. Over the past three or so months, my account has been steadily falling through the leagues, with me once being Master III but now on my way to Diamond I. I have not unreasonably tampered with my hangars or playstyle at all, it is just that my preference to run whatever gear I want at 1.9 is no longer viable for the higher leagues. My outdated approach means I get to drift into more favorable circumstances with no real effort on my part. As my profile and testimony from Friday Time Drop members show, I still put in effort and adequate numbers to contribute to a team, but not enough to avoid bleeding league points. But Iâm fine with that, as I am largely out if the line of fire for this insane meta. But as I shall get into, things have not turned out the way you said they would. Now that I reaching the middle leagues, I am seeing for myself what players like Cdr. Crimmins have been saying for a while now, which is that your perception of the middle leagues is only slightly true at best. In the current state of War Robots, the middle leagues (Silver League - Diamond League) do not necessarily have less powerful equipment, but just less consistently powerful equipment. Playersâ hangars have equipment whose levels are all over the place, and with equally inconsistently leveled pilots or drones, but one thing is certain: these players have easy access to leveled, powerful if not fringe meta, equipment. The players in Diamond league that I see have hangars full of almost exclusively tier four equipment, specifically things released in the past couple years, making them only a bit less powerful than players in Expert or even Master League. Why is there this unusually high amount of powerful equipment in the middle leagues? Well, it is because Pixonic is letting these players build fringe meta hangars cheap with crazy offers, and as the saying goes, âWhen everyone is super, nobody isâ, meaning these players get stuck in a gridlock where the people who feel it the most are people like me who do not have these pimped hangars. Here are some of the offers to show you how the middle leagues are being polluted: Oh, and here is an offer that includes one of my hated bots, nice! This screenshot is a bit old (offers no longer show how much of a sale they are), but this one still appears regularly. I once believed what you believe, but like many things in this game, reality paints a different picture. Bro, my practical solution is precisely the answer to your very reasonable perspective about fairness, and I would not have bothered taking time to share all those points if I myself wasnt playing my kids low level silver league account. Everything I said is true and a perfect solution to dealing with the unfairness of leagues mid-Gold and up. You do you, Im just saying players continue to tolerate the imbalances needlessly. Playing my kids account sometimes is very similar to 6pack, with the exception of low level easily killed Fafs and Seraphs. Make a separate account and try it out before telling someone they are full of 「dookie」 lol THIS is one of the main problems with the game. Money aside, TIME is what is really being sold. The time to mk2 anything is weeks in waiting. BUT, for the low low price of whatever, you can have it NOW... this broke the game, and showed just how Pix wants its money no mater what
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on May 10, 2023 12:50:55 GMT -5
Bro, my practical solution is precisely the answer to your very reasonable perspective about fairness, and I would not have bothered taking time to share all those points if I myself wasnt playing my kids low level silver league account. Everything I said is true and a perfect solution to dealing with the unfairness of leagues mid-Gold and up. You do you, Im just saying players continue to tolerate the imbalances needlessly. Playing my kids account sometimes is very similar to 6pack, with the exception of low level easily killed Fafs and Seraphs. Make a separate account and try it out before telling someone they are full of 「dookie」 lol THIS is one of the main problems with the game. Money aside, TIME is what is really being sold. The time to mk2 anything is weeks in waiting. BUT, for the low low price of whatever, you can have it NOW... this broke the game, and showed just how Pix wants its money no mater what Yep. I’ve seen all the cheap offers, mk2 stuff even for $3.99, but it doesnt seem to me that many players in Silver and below have bought that. I mean, occasionally theres something crazy, but I have checked hangars a bunch just to see what is going on and even though some of these people have new stuff like that Faf or Seraph, it is very low level. The account pressed into Gold league and that is where I started seeing some mk2. I league managed a bit but I dont like wasting time doing that so nearing another new account creation. I love running stuff like Gareth, Death Button and Plasma Griff, Aphid Jesse, Plasma Rog, Leadhose Griff and Leo…and a lot of those low league players dont know what hit them, theyre so clueless about basic tactics, like, dont just walk out in the open to die, lmao, so many poor decisions
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Post by davortrogon on May 10, 2023 13:20:15 GMT -5
I hate to talk as if I have anywhere near the experience of anyone else here in terms of the overall experience of War Robots, but I only wish to share this good piece of advice: enjoy death. Of course there's many immediate responses to this; people like to win, people try really hard, people like fair fights, and all the usual very solid points. The way this is meant to be interpreted is not to accept your suffering, but to enjoy learning from it. Play it like a puzzle game. Don't get too caught up by whatever gear the opponent may have; think of them as a variable and work around them. Everything in this game can die, and you can kill it. However impossible it may seem changes constantly, so adapt to the situations where you can do nothing and avoid them, and equip yourself to deal with the world in the best way you can. And have fun with it.
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Post by 079 on May 10, 2023 14:42:53 GMT -5
ѻﻭɼﻉ, I critique your solution because I was not asking for a solution. I was just ranting about a trio of bots that I wish were never invented. I just felt like typing a bunch and nothing more. But, I have come to appreciate your input after you have elaborated. I have heard nothing but bad things about the middle leagues for a couple of months now, and assumed the lower leagues were the same. After finding out you are actually in those leagues (I thought you had stopped playing), I see you were not yourself making assumptions, so my bad. I suppose a difference between the middle and low leagues is not too surprising. While the advice you offer is solid, it is not a course of action that I will be pursuing. This is not just a case of sunk-cost fallacy I should add. My account has several items in it that hold personal value to me (my old bots like my Butch, Weyland, Fenrir, and Blitz) that a new account cannot replicate, has ultra-rare items like Schutze, Golem, and Boa that I would never get with a new account, and most of all, has all of my 6 Pack gear. You say the low leagues are like 6 Pack, but since I am part of the real 6 Pack, I thus have no need to start a new account to experience that, especially at the cost of my current account. I’m glad to see you found your happy space in this insane game, but I do not need to take such measures myself. I hate Scorpion, Mars, and Angler, but they do not make me want to restart the whole game. I find enough good matches in the middle leagues and have the time drops to find fun the matchmaker, and have 6 Pack to get my fill of classic War Robots. To each their own!
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on May 10, 2023 14:49:02 GMT -5
Sure bro, vent all you like, but even in rants we discuss possible solutions, thats why I shared it. I have nothing but a solid middle finger for upper league nonsense.
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Post by 0megaman on May 10, 2023 15:07:38 GMT -5
Ya know, if you switched games, to say something like Quake 2, you wouldnt see all these issues.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on May 11, 2023 6:33:23 GMT -5
Ya know, if you switched games, to say something like Quake 2, you wouldnt see all these issues. Chess too. When Quake has giant customizable robots, let me know.
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Post by 0megaman on May 11, 2023 22:26:21 GMT -5
When Quake has giant customizable robots, let me know. No, no... Quake 2. You want Quake 2 'Devastation' mod. Giant mechs, completely customizable in 2 colors, and your choice of 2 weapon load-outs. Whats not to like?
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Post by TerrorStorm on May 12, 2023 4:14:29 GMT -5
I hate to talk as if I have anywhere near the experience of anyone else here in terms of the overall experience of War Robots, but I only wish to share this good piece of advice: enjoy death. Of course there's many immediate responses to this; people like to win, people try really hard, people like fair fights, and all the usual very solid points. The way this is meant to be interpreted is not to accept your suffering, but to enjoy learning from it. Play it like a puzzle game. Don't get too caught up by whatever gear the opponent may have; think of them as a variable and work around them. Everything in this game can die, and you can kill it. However impossible it may seem changes constantly, so adapt to the situations where you can do nothing and avoid them, and equip yourself to deal with the world in the best way you can. And have fun with it. Exactly. Play because you enjoy it. If that is F2P for you... cool. Top Champion S Clan... also cool. You've got to make your peace with this game or bail. Since 2016 I've done it all. Strong Clan. Champions League. Chased Meta. F2P and spent. I've railed against the machine, reported douche players and bailed on games with cheaters. I'm pretty content now in Masters 3. I've got some older bots that I think are fun and look cool. If a newish bot is interesting to me... cool... I'll spend some Silver. Just like I find going to a movie or having a beer with some friends entertaining... I treat this game the same way. If spending $10 now and again gives me some entertainment so be it. The moment I REALLY stop enjoying this game (all the BS, crap matchmaking, tankers and cheaters included) I'll walk away with no hurt feelings. Plus... I find this forum highly entertaining, thought provoking and filled with advice. Fight ON!
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Post by Wolfblood7 on May 12, 2023 6:00:58 GMT -5
I also hate the Mars. That shield is what gets me, you cannot damage it when it has 3 or 4 layers of it that is impossible to knock down. I say remove the shield, it would be balanced. The turret doesn't bother me, it actually counters Forcefield bots such as the Nether and Lynx, sure it is annoying but I actually kind of like it, it doesn't do me too much damage.
Angler is less strong now after the nerf, without drones and stuff, but yes they are still strong. If they removed the blindness after the Electric Shift ability it would become balanced. Then it would just have stove as its ability.
The Scorpion isn't what it used to be. Nowadays it is easily destroyed, but it can still be effective with sonics. I tried running my Scorpion the other day but the time is just not right. You either teleport to an Angler who just uses his ability, a Nether who spazzes out with dashes, or a Lynx that goes into stealth.
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Post by Jeb on May 12, 2023 10:19:16 GMT -5
That is a really good point that I completely agree with. I have had that happen several times before (me or a teammate trying to defend a beacon ironically enables Scorpion/Revenant to capture it), and am surprised I forgot to mention it. I guess what keeps Revenant off my “most hated” list is that it cannot teleport back, and it teleports in front of opponents and often has to rotate its (slow turning) hull to face it, loosing a lot of that unfair surprise factor. I still dislike this bot, but not quite hate it. I finally got my Raven's blast shotguns leveled up to a point where if a Rev pops up in front of me when I've got them fully loaded, he's most likely going to die. So that's going for me.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on May 12, 2023 11:11:53 GMT -5
The Scorpion isn't what it used to be. Nowadays it is easily destroyed, but it can still be effective with sonics. I tried running my Scorpion the other day but the time is just not right. You either teleport to an Angler who just uses his ability, a Nether who spazzes out with dashes, or a Lynx that goes into stealth. Or me. And then it's BACK TO THE GLORY DAYS! Kill Murder KJILL KILLLLIKILILIKL!!!
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Post by Method Games[YT] on May 14, 2023 19:03:07 GMT -5
I also hate the Mars. That shield is what gets me, you cannot damage it when it has 3 or 4 layers of it that is impossible to knock down. I say remove the shield, it would be balanced. I'm torn between which is better mars or ravana. I'm leaning slightly towards the Mars for the replenishing shield but it is extremely vulnerable to the nether with shield breaker pilot, harpy/siren and the lynx (or anything else) with the spike weapons. Where the Mars shines is against blindly weapons and burst weapons and that turret is still pretty OP. Looks like they modelled the ultimate orkan spectre on the turret.
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Post by Wolfblood7 on May 15, 2023 2:54:21 GMT -5
I also hate the Mars. That shield is what gets me, you cannot damage it when it has 3 or 4 layers of it that is impossible to knock down. I say remove the shield, it would be balanced. I'm torn between which is better mars or ravana. I'm leaning slightly towards the Mars for the replenishing shield but it is extremely vulnerable to the nether with shield breaker pilot, harpy/siren and the lynx (or anything else) with the spike weapons. Where the Mars shines is against blindly weapons and burst weapons and that turret is still pretty OP. Looks like they modelled the ultimate orkan spectre on the turret. The Ravana is better for brawling, the Mars has to stack up shield for ages to be good at that. The Mars is better for sniping, its fast enough to outrun OS and can deploy the turret for extra damage if attacked.
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Post by Somebody’s Mom on May 16, 2023 21:02:45 GMT -5
Oh I see what you guys are trying to do. I have a Mars but don’t play it out of respect for the game, same reason I didnt run a Shell or a Rev, when they first came out.
But I’m onto you guys. I see what you’ve done here, y’all are trying to get me to level up my Mars aren’t you? A bunch of Mars-pimpers you guys are….
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Post by 079 on May 18, 2023 13:42:05 GMT -5
For anyone wondering (if anyone is, I guess), I do not think I will be adding Crisis to my list of hated bots. It will definitely be annoying and likely broken with certain weapons (and probably be conveniently bugged), but I do not (personally) deem it unfair. It is a lot like Loki, where you cannot shoot it, but it cannot shoot you. Plus, stealth is not as reliable a defense as modern shields. I also do like how it needs to stop firing for five seconds before re-entering stealth, so users cannot just instantly re-stealth. I suspect this will end up on my annoying bots though, alongside Siren/Harpy, Seraph, Revenant, and Skyros.
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Post by donetotally on Jun 1, 2023 23:48:03 GMT -5
I know, I run Mars, mostly because it reminds me alot of an old Galahad, I like the speed and firepower and can go toe to toe with its peers.. but they did nerf it and it lost a good bit of durability, so it's not as strong as it was. Now you have to play it with caution as opposed to march out there like a Lancelot and obliterate everyone like it used to be able to do... Now i do hate meeting up with a mars and getting whacked by something, the turret or equipped weapons, i know what you mean there...
Imo a bigger beef is against that flying laser thing that kills in 3 seconds from 6 million miles away, or that stupid annoying Lynx that is in phase shift 90% of the time or any, any of the pigs newly released weapons or bots that are obviously OP... God I really do hate the 「fluffernutter」ers (pixonic) - you want to kill everyone, just buy some gold coins and you can truly have your very own bazooka.. I've been done for quite some time now, not buying anything, don't even feel like trying to win anymore and usually end up in 4th-6th place. I even changed my name to Red shirt guy... because i seem to end up on a team with 4 champ players and as a master 2 i always end up in 5th or 6th. This reminds me of the cannon fodder red shirt guys in Star Trek.. the dudes who beam down with Kirk Spock and McCoy.. You know they're screwed! Lol
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