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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Sept 28, 2022 2:25:16 GMT -5
Special thanks to darthfinny for the clarifying reply. Everyone please feel free to add to the list if you have any.
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Post by TerrorStorm on Sept 28, 2022 2:52:37 GMT -5
So... the answer is "all of the above." Hacking, Cheating, TERRIBLE matchmaking, Bots that shoot through walls or are indestructible (hear me Seraph)... all of the above. A.K.A. game is operating as designed.
Ant's looking up at the Size 10 coming at them and saying... "what is that... not fair."
(Just played CHN so this topic is fresh...)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2022 6:32:03 GMT -5
Oh i dont know.... someone said pix is working very hard to stop the hacking.
There is no infinite ammo hack!
There is no speed hack!
Both advertized as add on, downloadable hacks...btw
The seraph isnt bugged, its a feature.
Teleports are supposed to go beyond the advertized range. No targeting bug , another extra feature
Hellburners always destroy everyone at spawn, this is normal. That guy just spent more than you.
Rediculous right? just like saying pixo is doing anything to fix any of the afore mentioned garbadge.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Sept 28, 2022 9:44:03 GMT -5
Agreed with all the above but who is Keyser Soze the supreme hacker here? Pixonic. Total god mode in their buffs and nerfs that add to their coffers.
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Post by munkeeee on Sept 28, 2022 9:56:54 GMT -5
one problem is being able to decipher between meta OP and how the bot is put together with all the goodies, and a true hack, ie speed or damage hack.
the obvious ones such as flying arty or the psychotic hell burner are no brainers, but unless you are putting the game under a microscope, the subtle hacks are going to slip through most likely.
next game...
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Post by 079 on Sept 28, 2022 10:56:18 GMT -5
I define subtle hacking, or smart hacking as I have called it, to be the War Robots equivalent of “too good to be true”. People hack their equipment to have capabilities beyond what should be possible, but only give themselves “moderate” boosts to make detection difficult. As we all know, some truly insane things are completely possible in this game, so whether it is hacking or a crazy equation at work is hard to say on the fly.
Subtle hacking most commonly is thought to be durability, damage, and ability recharge boosting, with mobility being more rare due to it being more easily detected. There also are theories of hacks that cause one-way lag that for most would seem normal, but these are the hardest of all to say if they exist.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Sept 28, 2022 13:47:54 GMT -5
Most of the Subtle Hacking I see/suspect is lag oriented and players being ganged up on by players with mk3 gear and not going down. Also now that I have all MK3 stuff and I see the same bot/wep loadout go head to head with me and smoke me and he still has half is health left. I maybe wrong but after over 30k in victories and 6 years of almost daily play I feel like I know what im talking about and when stuff just "feels wrong".
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Sept 28, 2022 19:57:58 GMT -5
Most of the Subtle Hacking I see/suspect is lag oriented and players being ganged up on by players with mk3 gear and not going down. Also now that I have all MK3 stuff and I see the same bot/wep loadout go head to head with me and smoke me and he still has half is health left. I maybe wrong but after over 30k in victories and 6 years of almost daily play I feel like I know what im talking about and when stuff just "feels wrong". Yeah, I dont know much about hacks or when certain types have become available, but I remember way way back when we would encounter a certain clan I wont fully name but ends with an x lmao, despite everyone having all the same stuff, they would not merely dominate, but the timing of lag was always spot on and always in their favor. We were all really good players, so sayin it was just skills is 「fluffernutter」ing bull「dookie」. That is when we found out about lag switches, of which there is plenty of info out there, but for sure those were in use, I dont care how much they deny it. Even when later I encountered them with Vox, everyone in comms would talk about it, call bull「dookie」, talk about impeccable timing, and mention lag switches. I would even do the female combat voice assist when we would see them : “lag switch, online” lmao. At that time, when you didnt often run into hacking or suspiciously timed lag, this clan really stood out in stark contrast to the absence of that 「dookie」 when you play other good players with similar gear. It was literally EVERY TIME you encountered these guys, they dominated with perfectly timed lag support, and everyone we knew from different clans agreed, yes something is fishy about them for sure, and in the end word is Pix was hunting down a bunch of the members for also account sharing etc. Anyways, you are spot on Mark, we been around the block and know when stuff just feels wrong, though app performance these days is so 「dookie」 that I be hard pressed to always tell the difference between a hack and 「dookie」 app quality. Whatever the case, it is really difficult to enjoy this 「fluffernutter」ing game nowadays.
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Post by munkeeee on Sept 29, 2022 11:17:10 GMT -5
Most of the Subtle Hacking I see/suspect is lag oriented and players being ganged up on by players with mk3 gear and not going down. Also now that I have all MK3 stuff and I see the same bot/wep loadout go head to head with me and smoke me and he still has half is health left. I maybe wrong but after over 30k in victories and 6 years of almost daily play I feel like I know what im talking about and when stuff just "feels wrong". Yeah, I dont know much about hacks or when certain types have become available, but I remember way way back when we would encounter a certain clan I wont fully name but ends with an x lmao, despite everyone having all the same stuff, they would not merely dominate, but the timing of lag was always spot on and always in their favor. We were all really good players, so sayin it was just skills is 「fluffernutter」ing bull「dookie」. That is when we found out about lag switches, of which there is plenty of info out there, but for sure those were in use, I dont care how much they deny it. Even when later I encountered them with Vox, everyone in comms would talk about it, call bull「dookie」, talk about impeccable timing, and mention lag switches. I would even do the female combat voice assist when we would see them : “lag switch, online” lmao. At that time, when you didnt often run into hacking or suspiciously timed lag, this clan really stood out in stark contrast to the absence of that 「dookie」 when you play other good players with similar gear. It was literally EVERY TIME you encountered these guys, they dominated with perfectly timed lag support, and everyone we knew from different clans agreed, yes something is fishy about them for sure, and in the end word is Pix was hunting down a bunch of the members for also account sharing etc. Anyways, you are spot on Mark, we been around the block and know when stuff just feels wrong, though app performance these days is so 「dookie」 that I be hard pressed to always tell the difference between a hack and 「dookie」 app quality. Whatever the case, it is really difficult to enjoy this 「fluffernutter」ing game nowadays. That makes more sense now, since I always chalked it up to a combination of server issues working against code and visual rendering being insufficient for all the new magic in game. Common solution would be a restart of your system, but it persisted. I figured pix was more concerned with profit putting out new stuff and let both the code and servers weigh the game down causing lag.
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Post by spartan44 on Oct 3, 2022 1:02:58 GMT -5
Seraph = pixonic sanctioned cheating = you use it, you are a cheater
Too soon?
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Post by gus169 on Oct 3, 2022 6:28:27 GMT -5
I think this term - subtle hacking - is a disturbing development. I don't really want to discredit it, but it's a potential doorway to 'alternate facts'. There are often times I wonder what the ferg just happened, but this really introduced a big old 'grey area' to the conversation. There are so many factors in play here, it's very hard to read a hangar without a full understanding of all the capabilities and synergies. I do believe 'subtle hacking' exists, and that it is a real problem. But if the blatant stuff isn't being controlled, I can't help but see this as a secondary problem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2022 8:42:04 GMT -5
Seraph = pixonic sanctioned cheating = you use it, you are a cheater Too soon? I agree however , for high champs, to NOT use it is very difficult as your rating takes a beatdown as everyone else IS using it. In my opinion: This is one of the most annoying aspects of the game. Players complain about this or that but almost none have any real morals where they will take the loss etc to make the point and this is why Pixonic keeps doing what they do. Most use the cheats, or ANY advantage. Many 「female dog」, but fall in line like good little sheep. Baaaaaaah!
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Post by darthfinny on Oct 3, 2022 9:30:05 GMT -5
I think this term - subtle hacking - is a disturbing development. I don't really want to discredit it, but it's a potential doorway to 'alternate facts'. There are often times I wonder what the ferg just happened, but this really introduced a big old 'grey area' to the conversation. There are so many factors in play here, it's very hard to read a hangar without a full understanding of all the capabilities and synergies. I do believe 'subtle hacking' exists, and that it is a real problem. But if the blatant stuff isn't being controlled, I can't help but see this as a secondary problem. The problem is that it affects everyone. My clan has savants who know how to stack pilots, talents, weapons, drones and chips for maximum effectiveness. We have players who can routinely top 10M dmg. When we go against one of these clans and we have all maxed and synergized bots, and 3 or 4 of us all at once can’t dent one of their bots whilst it kills 2 of us something is going on. We then lose the match - not even close and lose 10 and 70 cups. It’s frustrating. We love great battles win or lose. But it’s bad when at the start of a match, based on the clan, we can tell you if it’s a fair fight or hackers delight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2022 9:42:27 GMT -5
Bottom line is there is FAR to much cheating going on in this game. Yeah, theres always tiny 「wee-wee」s out there who have no morals but they shouldnt be allowed to take over the game. They should not be a majority.
Releasing and not fixing bots that shoot through walls..... the tiny hitbox was for sure done on purpose.... this is Pixonic promoting cheating cuz they wanna hide the hacking behind bugs, cheats and magic.
You scumbag cheats have NO rank, are 「dookie」 players and are crappy people. Karma 「female dog」!
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Oct 3, 2022 9:45:47 GMT -5
darthfinny ^^^^Thanks for that.^^^^ AND.... to make matters more interesting the hacker clans don't necessarily hack all the time. Just when they feel like it. Or... Maybe when they are playing a top clan that doesn't hack (aka V0X) maybe they go easy and lose when they are hacking just so it isn't ridiculously obvious that they are.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2022 9:50:08 GMT -5
VOX has adrian a paid forand supported by Pixonic player. I call that cheating. Max everthing and you dont have to pay, yet are in regular leagues? Cheater and scumbag running 2 unknown seraphs. ( since he doesnt pay, i suppose he could run 5...seems fair. Lmfao)
Another no moral, so called skill player. Who cheats and has everything as a sponsered cheat.
Im calling out you cheaters, in your high rank clans that mean nothing cuz your cheating d-bags. You are NOT successful, you are not "skilled" you are not knowledgable.
You are tiny mind, low moral bottom feeders.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Oct 3, 2022 10:02:27 GMT -5
Cheater and scumbag running 2 unknown seraphs. Another no moral, so called skill player. Who cheats and has everything as a sponsered cheat. Please, not so hard on youtubers. It's actually against the CoC. You CAN express displeasure, just not so colorfully. I don't think Adrian hack-cheats. He may "funds" cheat but I guess anybody that spends money is cheating to some folks. Edit: FWIW, I have one unknown Seraph and i just can't bring myself to building it. Pix will nerf the Seraph and I'm not falling for that Ag trap... AGAIN.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2022 10:07:57 GMT -5
Thats a NO. Kick me if you wish. Adrian cheats, IMO. Calling out cheaters is against the COC. Thats great for Pixonic.
If it makes everyone feel better, ill place in quotes. "Cheaters are scumbags" and not direct the statement directly.
This is semantics but should satisfy the COC
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2022 10:17:21 GMT -5
Props to those that do try to be fair. I also have an mk3 seraph i dont run...... good on those who suffer and sacrifice while cheaters run rampant.
I bag on the youtubers on their channels almost every day! Except wolfblood7. Hes usually got a good positive vibe. Im trying to put some effort in to change opinions and facilitate change. You wanna be a sheep, go ahead. This guy champions change and positive improvement, i do not accept defeat. I fight harder!
The top youtubers are not helping this game. They are helping themselves. If they had any morals every vid would start with a disvlaimer like game is filled with hackers and cheats, play at your own risk. They KNOW the situation yet continue to promote cuz thats whats good for THEM!.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Oct 3, 2022 10:22:08 GMT -5
@johnny2cool OK, you've now made it "interesting."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2022 10:41:48 GMT -5
Honestly im not happy about the negativity. You have my respect Oliver....
Too many just accept and dont question...... Adrian is a good example, how does a max, sponsered player who can literally make any bot and drone combo at any minute have any resemblance to you the player? How can he possibly relate?
Too many are sitting back and not having their voice heard. Mine is just one and im sure some, perhaps many disagree.
People who influence others need to be held accountable, again IMO
How do we bring back positivity and the fun, how to we get the messageto devs?
Bring me solutions not problems..... issue here as always..... the cheaters get upset if you change or take away their cheats that were provided by PIXO
We cant agree on solutions......
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Oct 3, 2022 10:51:19 GMT -5
@johnny2cool
OK, thanks, please PLEASE keep the overt name-calling out of it.
This is OK: "I suspect Adrian might be cheating or as a minimum he's certainly very well-funded all the time."
This is not OK: "Adrian is a cheating scumbag." The language is too strong and too unprovable.
BUT! You know that I'm struggling with hackers/cheaters in our sub-culture/game-thingy and I TOO am sick of the silence. You've probably seen my ranty posts of late so all I ask is that you tone down the adjectives. If you really have the need to go full-bonkers-off-the-rails you can PM me. I'll respond and I may even agree with you. Deal?
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Post by spectre729 on Oct 3, 2022 11:11:07 GMT -5
i stopped watching manni and adrian about an year ago, had to unsubscribe to manni and will unsub to adrian soon. i got tired of watching them play with the new toys all maxed out on their battle rec account. i actually liked adrian when he and his clan ran a squad with old school bots, and i stopped when they started doing squads with newer bots.
now that i think about it, about an year/2 years ago, i was active on War Robots reddit, War Robots discord, Martian X Esport server, help maintain the Wiki, being on this forum, and was watching War Robots videos daily. manni and adrian failed to entertain me, and other War Robots stuff has too many toxic people and too many mods that would ban u for criticizing pixonic or the mods themselves
now? this forum is the only War Robots thing that i'm active in.
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Post by munkeeee on Oct 3, 2022 11:27:20 GMT -5
The big disconnect is YT folk get freebies, so they are in essence “salesmen” for pix and the new toys. Hence why I dont watch most channels other than a few forum members, or maybe something posted in here. Hopes and dreams, since folks will see the content, level it, then it gets nerfed. Back to the drawing board.
The other thing too, you aren’t going to watch the vids where they get rolled. Cherry picking good vids to show is of course what keeps their channel alive, so yes they ARE an extension of pix, and part of the sales team. Free stuff and unlimited resources IS in game currency. They may not get a check from pix but they do get benefits. In no way am I bashing them, I just choose not to indulge in their brand of koolaid. You dont see many YT channels with themed hangars or like mine with all spiders(I have pondered the idea of a channel, but sounds too much like work and I like me freedom to play as I do, for fun).
Buyer beware
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2022 11:48:45 GMT -5
I made a long winded reply, it didnt post.... any way, yes ill refrain from name calling and TRY to be positive,
I must like this game to get so charged up.
We need solutions ....not problems....... ill turn my energy that way for a time, as im a bit worried about the games future ATM.
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Post by gus169 on Oct 3, 2022 11:52:46 GMT -5
I named a tuber a while ago. and I never stopped regretting it. I'm glad this settled down so quickly. this is a good forum, and that's not common enough.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Oct 3, 2022 11:56:49 GMT -5
A: I made a long winded reply, it didnt post.... any way, yes ill refrain from name calling and TRY to be positive, B: I must like this game to get so charged up. C: We need solutions ....not problems....... ill turn my energy that way for a time, as im a bit worried about the games future ATM. A: Thanks. You da man. B: Yep, I think we're ALL a little passionate about this fluff-game. Jeesh. :eye roll: C: TBH, this weekend I did a very minor Clan Hacking rant on various discord channels to include Pix's own channel. I didn't get a lot of traction. Oh well, at least I tried a little. But yeah, the subtle Clan Hacking thing will kill this game. My spending is WAY down. Why should I worry about having 3.1 gear when they can get away with running 4.5 gear? Clan [YUME] is a huge example of Pix's non-desire or inability to do anything about hacking. *sigh*
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Post by spectre729 on Oct 3, 2022 12:01:20 GMT -5
A: I made a long winded reply, it didnt post.... any way, yes ill refrain from name calling and TRY to be positive, B: I must like this game to get so charged up. C: We need solutions ....not problems....... ill turn my energy that way for a time, as im a bit worried about the games future ATM. A: Thanks. You da man. B: Yep, I think we're ALL a little passionate about this fluff-game. Jeesh. :eye roll: C: TBH, this weekend I did a very minor Clan Hacking rant on various discord channels to include Pix's own channel. I didn't get a lot of traction. Oh well, at least I tried a little. But yeah, the subtle Clan Hacking thing will kill this game. My spending is WAY down. Why should I worry about having 3.1 gear when they can get away with running 4.5 gear? Clan [YUME] is a huge example of Pix's non-desire or inability to do anything about hacking. *sigh* ugh, YUME... i havent check for the past 2 weeks but im betting that they are still top 10 in the S clans on steam...you would think that having a hacking clan as one of the best in S league and having multiple players in the legend league means that the company would do something...
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Post by darthfinny on Oct 3, 2022 12:07:00 GMT -5
darthfinny ^^^^Thanks for that.^^^^ AND.... to make matters more interesting the hacker clans don't necessarily hack all the time. Just when they feel like it. Or... Maybe when they are playing a top clan that doesn't hack (aka V0X) maybe they go easy and lose when they are hacking just so it isn't ridiculously obvious that they are. I swear they can turn their hacks on and off in game. You can have the same bot that is invincible one minute then lets you kill them one or two minutes later.
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Post by darthfinny on Oct 3, 2022 12:15:28 GMT -5
Or... Maybe when they are playing a top clan that doesn't hack (aka V0X) maybe they go easy and lose when they are hacking just so it isn't ridiculously obvious that they are.[/quote]
I really think this is what happens. We love our battles with VOX and I can name many other clans that are skilled but do not use hacks. Those are the games that really won the day!
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