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Post by Daniela1 on May 16, 2022 8:58:54 GMT -5
The upcoming Titan weapons coming for next update is Gargantua and Pantagruel, named after the two giants in the book "La vie de Gargantua et de Pantagruel."
These weapons have two special features
1. They're capable of damaging multiple people in a cone in front of them. If there are two or more robots standing next to each other, these weapons are capable of hitting them all.
2. The weapon heals your Titan when it damages an enemy. These weapons heal by 20% of the damage you inflict to the enemy with it. As far as I know this does not work when you're attacking any kind of shield.
How does it work?
In-universe, Gargantuan and Pantagruel works by projecting an extremely powerful magnetic field in a cone in front of the mounted Titan. Any robot within this cone will have their Titan or robot literally torn apart, with their broken armor pieces and repair nanorobots pulled to the user and will be used to repair themselves.
Due to the unique mechanics of these weapons, they are capable of bypassing both Stealth and Blind effect. They work similarly to Cinders, if you're within the damaging radius, you will take damage regardless of whether the weapons can actually target you or not.
Advantages
1. Multi-target: Gargantua and Pantagruel can hit anyone within the damage cone area. It's extremely effective at attacking groups of enemies at mid-range.
2. Vampiric/Vacuum cleaner effect: Gargantua and Pantagruel can be used to repair yourself mid combat by damaging your enemies. The weapon will heal yourself by 20% of the damage you inflicted on the enemy.
3. Rapid mothership charge: Gargantua and Pantagruel can charge mothership at a rapid pace, even more so when you're hitting multiple targets at once. These weapons can become extremely deadly when combined with an Orion mothership.
4. Good effective range: These weapons work effectively all the way to its max range of 500m. They are better suited for midrange combat since the damage area will be larger the further it is from the user.
Disadvantages:
1. Mediocre single target damage: These weapons don't do much damage against just one target.
2. Extremely long reload time: A full reload takes 18 seconds.
3. Terrible at close range brawl: The low single target damage, along with the reload time makes these weapons terrible at close range 1v1 engagements.
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Post by xv104 on May 16, 2022 9:10:36 GMT -5
Great write up, thank you! Glad to hear that these don't bypass shields. I'll assume that as a Titan weapon they have the usual DR mitigation.
Can they be reflected?
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Post by Daniela1 on May 16, 2022 9:15:36 GMT -5
Great write up, thank you! Glad to hear that these don't bypass shields. I'll assume that as a Titan weapon they have the usual DR mitigation. Can they be reflected? Reflected shield works as usual against these weapons. The healing effect scales with how much damage you can deal to the enemy so the self healing effect is also weakened. |
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Post by fiat on May 16, 2022 9:50:54 GMT -5
I hope you are all right. When Manni played them on the test server, he was so annoyingly unstoppable, I wanted to slap him. He was killing multiple targets simultaneously and quick smart.
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Post by shawngonakillyou on May 16, 2022 17:09:06 GMT -5
This weapon wouldn't be awful if the total damage possible was simply split across multiple bots - if total damage was 10K on one bot, it would be 5K on each of 2 bots, 3,333K on each of 3 bots, etc. I do not think this is how it will work or does work - maybe Daniela1 can confirm? If it does equivalent damage irrespective of how many bots are on the field, this thing would be ridiculous (which fits the Pix model, so buckle up buttercup). Very cool that it mitigates blind effect though! |
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Post by The VVatcher on May 16, 2022 17:44:57 GMT -5
What’s the range? From what I’ve seen on YouTube, they seem to have good range. Since it’s cone shape, it hits every thing on your screen basically. This is what’s very bothersome about these weapons.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on May 16, 2022 17:49:29 GMT -5
Didn't see it anywhere, what is the max range of these?
Can see them being ultra annoying but maybe not for ultimate whales chasing damage output. Sort of like the striker range of weapons.
Ability to heal would make them viable I guess, just load up Orion and blast away at other titans whilst still being able to heal.
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Post by Daniela1 on May 16, 2022 19:03:16 GMT -5
What’s the range? From what I’ve seen on YouTube, they seem to have good range. Since it’s cone shape, it hits every thing on your screen basically. This is what’s very bothersome about these weapons. It's 500 meters. Forgot to mention it. |
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on May 16, 2022 19:15:55 GMT -5
The Crimonian Empire troops cannot even tell if they are in the throes of World War VII, an Alien Invasion, a minor battle between two Alien Empires, or the End Times themselves with Hell come to Earth.
Nothing makes sense.
Not the weapons and so called mechs they face,
Their mission objectives,
Nor the so called allied forces that High Command claims to be allied to them.
It is madness, endless madness, and none expect any of it to get better.
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Post by Daniela1 on May 16, 2022 20:28:48 GMT -5
Recommended setups with these weapons
Sharanga
Module: 4x AMR/OR or 3x AMR/OR + TAC.
Sharanga's extreme firepower capability allows it to compensate for Gargantua's mediocre single target damage. This setup has the capability to crush clustered groups of enemies on a beacon extremely quickly.
Murometz:
Module: 4x AMR/OR or 3x AMR/OR + TAC.
While not quite on the level of Sharanga, Murometz also has great damage potential. It's Stealth flight ability allows it to gain a vantage point in the air, allowing the magnetic weapons to make an even larger impact on the battlefield without sacrificing survivability. I personally think this is the best setup with these weapons.
Ao Ming
Module: 3x AMR/OR + TAC or 2x AMR/OR + TAC + Accel
Ao Ming's flight gives Gargantua and Pantagruel a larger area to work with. Do keep in mind that Ao Ming is very vulnerable mid flight, capable of being taken down very easily, even by a normal robot.
What these weapons counter:
Stealth: These weapons can hit any robot or Titan in Stealth so long as they are within the damaging cone area.
Blind lasers: Even with the targeting system disabled these weapons can still lock on to any robot within its damaging cone. These are excellent weapons to counter Blinder Murometzes.
Counters to these weapons:
Close range brawlers: The mediocre single target damage, plus the glacial reload time makes Titans with these weapons vulnerable to Titans or even normal robots at close range. Luchador, Minos, Revenants, Fenrirs and even more can easily take titans with these weapons down, so long as they can get close.
Reflector, Absorber, and Aegis shields: Gargantua and Pantagruel's healing ability depends on how much damage you can inflict to the enemy's hull. Shields stops this from happening while also protecting yourself from incoming damage.
Blind lasers:
Despite being countered, Blind lasers can still be used to counter Magnet weapons due to its range advantage (600m vs 500m). As long as you can keep your distance, you will remain unharmed by the weapons while also disabling their healing ability.
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Post by Daniela1 on May 16, 2022 23:43:33 GMT -5
This weapon wouldn't be awful if the total damage possible was simply split across multiple bots - if total damage was 10K on one bot, it would be 5K on each of 2 bots, 3,333K on each of 3 bots, etc. I do not think this is how it will work or does work - maybe Daniela1 can confirm? If it does equivalent damage irrespective of how many bots are on the field, this thing would be ridiculous (which fits the Pix model, so buckle up buttercup). Very cool that it mitigates blind effect though! Unfortunately, when firing at multiple enemies the single target damage is the same as when firing only at one player. AYGIR has confirmed this during his testing video. |
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Post by 079 on May 17, 2022 0:12:17 GMT -5
The reload may be super long, but you have to survive the onslaught of a magazine for that to take effect, so I’m not sure how much of a factor that point will be. Plus, on the live server where it will be maxed and pimped titans versus budget bots, “mediocre” damage will still incinerate a lot of players. Basically, these things will create 500 meter dead zones on the map, and I for one am not looking forward to it!
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Post by Taboga73 on May 17, 2022 2:13:01 GMT -5
If the damage is not split evenly between each enemy bot fired upon, then how is the 20% heal handled? I'm guessing it is multiplied by each enemy that is hit.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on May 17, 2022 5:58:44 GMT -5
Hilariously convenient that it hits stealthed bots without use of QS. All those Murometzesses are gonna be toast.
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Post by Thunderkiss on May 17, 2022 6:03:44 GMT -5
Hilariously convenient that it hits stealthed bots without use of QS. All those Murometzesses are gonna be toast. True story. Final death of the orochi as well? Bah, I doubt it, they'll just drop em early for beacon before this abomination can come out. |
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Post by Wolfblood7 on May 17, 2022 6:07:49 GMT -5
Hilariously convenient that it hits stealthed bots without use of QS. All those Murometzesses are gonna be toast. Best thing I've heard all day |
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Post by Wolfblood7 on May 17, 2022 6:09:48 GMT -5
I haven't tested them out yet, because for some reason I cannot access the test server on my new device. Thanks to Daniela1 now I can at least know what to expect! I think they would be useful on titans who don't have much healing - aka Sharanga, Luchador, Arthur. Those titans lack healing, but can now survive longer with the weapons. I think I will test Luchador first when I get some. |
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Post by Taboga73 on May 17, 2022 13:44:27 GMT -5
'Twas bound to happen; weapons are now providing/granting even more special abilities.
--This weapon here allows me to syphon off an enemy player's resources. I call it the Payday 3000.
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Post by shadethefluffmech on May 18, 2022 4:04:02 GMT -5
'Twas bound to happen; weapons are now providing/granting even more special abilities. --This weapon here allows me to syphon off an enemy player's resources. I call it the Payday 3000. Honestly I want that though... Being entirely f2p (not by choice) is hard as hell to get gold and don't get me started on the stupid 「bum-bum」 new even token system.. I used to get daily free gold tokens but nope it's down to 5 a day and I'm not watching 25 videos to Meyer get one good thing in an event |
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Post by dinnerplain on Jun 6, 2022 4:14:23 GMT -5
Hilariously convenient that it hits stealthed bots without use of QS. All those Murometzesses are gonna be toast. True story. Final death of the orochi as well? Bah, I doubt it, they'll just drop em early for beacon before this abomination can come out. Stealth has never stopped you taking damage from an explosion or weapon when you're in its line of fire - I used to pop Loki's with Spectre & storm before they all got nerf'd. This is largely no different. What's the angle of the cone for these weapons? is it 15 degrees? 30 degrees? 45 degrees? 90 degrees? Is it a cone that eminates from the gun? Meaning that if you're in an Orochi and next to the titan and it's aimed at something else, does the cone start at the gun and go from 0' to (say) 300' high at 0 distance from the titan? Or does the cone extend from the titan, meaning that there's a space close to the titan that the cone does not strike? i.e. is the cone a 3 dimensional cone (like the funnel used to pour gas into your car from a can) or is it a 2 dimensional cone, only varying in width and not height? |
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Post by Daniela1 on Jun 6, 2022 6:23:54 GMT -5
I believe the cone is a 3 dimensional one, extending from the weapons themselves. I've seen some footages where these weapons are incapable of hitting Stealthed targets that are directly above them, such as a Murometz that's horizontally only a few meters in front of you but flying high in the sky. Since you can't manually aim your weapons vertically, you can't hit targets right above you if your target is in Stealth or you're Blinded. I'm not sure if this also works by sitting under the Titan with a Loki or Orochi though.
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