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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Aug 4, 2023 6:41:01 GMT -5
Oliver must regret being such a good Quantum Radar salesman, as non-maxed Lokis are still struggling a little at the moment. I am still running one though and it is fun, just hit or miss. I'm running Quantum Radar on my Crysis just to keep the stealthers from getting too close & evaporating me shooting blind strait shots while I'm cloaked.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Aug 4, 2023 10:58:41 GMT -5
After all these years, I feel the most optimal (and the most fun!) Loki is when run with Jump Unit. The JU: - Increases longevity, especially against Scorpions or enemies with low set weapons; - Increases mobility over distance, assisting evasion, and granting quicker arrival to a beacon or ambush point - And allows us to access places we cannot while ground-bound; dare I say for me it has a very similar play style to the Rog Im not saying other module builds arent functional, just that Ive found the jump Loki the most optimal. With repair or phasing Loki, even though it helps longevity, you are still bound to the ground and speed limits of your build, far more susceptible to low set weapon strikes and hot pursuit from enemies, so it is far more difficult to evade taking damage, and you dont have the greater versatility access to escape routes, beacons, and ambush points as jump Loki. You do you, but my logic is sound and based on way too much Loki time. Last point is, and Im forgetting the pilot skill name, but I think its Dodger - you want the skill that reduces cooldown time for active module. Oliver Kloesov you posted about what pilot skills to refine before the update - I am examining the Loki skills very closely today and will report this evening.
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Post by 079 on Aug 4, 2023 15:05:32 GMT -5
After all these years, I feel the most optimal (and the most fun!) Loki is when run with Jump Unit. The JU: - Increases longevity, especially against Scorpions or enemies with low set weapons; - Increases mobility over distance, assisting evasion, and granting quicker arrival to a beacon or ambush point - And allows us to access places we cannot while ground-bound; dare I say for me it has a very similar play style to the Rog Im not saying other module builds arent functional, just that Ive found the jump Loki the most optimal. With repair or phasing Loki, even though it helps longevity, you are still bound to the ground and speed limits of your build, far more susceptible to low set weapon strikes and hot pursuit from enemies, so it is far more difficult to evade taking damage, and you dont have the greater versatility access to escape routes, beacons, and ambush points as jump Loki. You do you, but my logic is sound and based on way too much Loki time. Last point is, and Im forgetting the pilot skill name, but I think its Dodger - you want the skill that reduces cooldown time for active module. Oliver Kloesov you posted about what pilot skills to refine before the update - I am examining the Loki skills very closely today and will report this evening. Yeah, both approaches are valid and I think it comes down to preference. Jumping Lokis are the king of the “beacon hopping” strategy and are often responsible capping both of the enemy’s beacons when they are not attentive, while Tank Lokis like Oliver’s make one beacon nigh inaccessible and distract several enemies for minutes, giving its team an easy three or even four cap. It is a matter of reliability (Tank Loki) versus maximum potential (Jumping Loki) and which you prefer. I am glad to see another Jumping Loki after tons of Tank Loki support though!
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Aug 4, 2023 15:48:51 GMT -5
079 ѻﻭɼﻉWell, this got fun all of a sudden. I have VERY few jumps to my credit in any bot let alone Loki. So I won't claim a well-informed opinion. Buuuut, how I like to play Loki is grab a beacon turn it blue then re-assess the situation. Hold this one or move on? I run two Immune Amplifiers and one Repair amplifier, so this ground-bound Loki isn't all that slow. There are definitely times when a jumping loki can be awesome: Like on top of CB on Moon. And we can say the same for Tank Loki: Like on the red home beacon on Carrier. It can be devastating. I go on and on about how I like to hold beacons instead of give them up right away. Unfortunately I've had some high beacon count losses lately so I think I need to do a better job of assessing the situation. And of course the fun factor mandates you play any bot as you see fit. One more thing, a heal module on a Loki gives you more of a prayer of brawling now and then. Jump module I assume not-so-much. ANYWAY... I'm glad Loki isn't dead. It's a fun PitA.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Aug 4, 2023 18:28:47 GMT -5
Oliver KloesovThese are the skills I use. I was going to add Stubborn Speedster, but decided against it because usually when my Loki gets down to less than 30% hp I will ditch it unless its really important to keep on going. I also tend not to have skills dependent on the other team, but my main drop time for Loki is mid-match when the enemies are largely distracted by skirmishes with teammates, so ARH comes in handy.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Aug 5, 2023 22:47:07 GMT -5
My Tank Loki:
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Aug 7, 2023 9:18:07 GMT -5
8/3/2023 - Update So, more than once in a while Loki is a MASSIVE counter to the Mighty Rook [or Luchador!]. The above is worth repeating. This morning: Factory, grab the red back beacon,turn it blue, and hold it basically forever. (and to be accurate, 3 or 4 minutes? 5? Feels like forever. The really smart Titan player will move on to someplace else and not even bother with me. The inexperienced ones will waste a jump/zoom over to me, stooge around for a minute or so, finally realize they are totally powerless and then they zoom away.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Aug 9, 2023 9:35:30 GMT -5
So, Springfield this morning, I watched a red Luchador jump off of their Farm beacon. I was in a Loki on CB with one or two blues. He didn't jump directly at CB so I figured now's my chance. I zipped over to Farm, turned it blue, the Luchador jumped back on to the farm and all he could do was jump straight up, I hit heal, and then he lands. They had us 3-2 for a while but having their farm kept the pressure on in the right direction. I eventually attracted one or two more Titans and maybe a bot. (That's an awful lot of tonnage drawn away in the wrong direction for them and they finally got me. I put my Rook up for around 1 minute and it was a win.
A late game Loki can pin-down red bots in the weirdest of ways, especially Titans. This massive, now lately quite OP vehicle either has to stay on the red beacon to keep it red or try to kill me on a blue beacon which can often take a while.
Damage? Schmamage. Mine is at like 800k lately, yikes! I'll get in a 7 million game now and then but my average is awful. Lately wins are at 50% but that's mostly because I've been playing solo evenings more than usual and the wolves come out at night.
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Post by Poopface on Sept 14, 2023 20:25:43 GMT -5
Fun trick. Can't kill those 「fluffernutter」ers. Might as well screw with them.
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Post by dinnerplain on Sept 15, 2023 19:14:51 GMT -5
A late game Loki can pin-down red bots in the weirdest of ways, especially Titans. This massive, now lately quite OP vehicle either has to stay on the red beacon to keep it red or try to kill me on a blue beacon which can often take a while.
Quantum Radar & QS are undervalued on beacon games.
On a separate note, on a recent test server I ran Loki with the speed boosting drone. I had to move at less than full speed in many maps because Loki was so fast the terrain's undulations would cause it to jump up and lose traction!
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Post by Poopface on Sept 15, 2023 20:19:47 GMT -5
A late game Loki can pin-down red bots in the weirdest of ways, especially Titans. This massive, now lately quite OP vehicle either has to stay on the red beacon to keep it red or try to kill me on a blue beacon which can often take a while.
Quantum Radar & QS are undervalued on beacon games.
On a separate note, on a recent test server I ran Loki with the speed boosting drone. I had to move at less than full speed in many maps because Loki was so fast the terrain's undulations would cause it to jump up and lose traction!
Speed drone?
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Sept 16, 2023 0:52:05 GMT -5
Quantum Radar & QS are undervalued on beacon games.
On a separate note, on a recent test server I ran Loki with the speed boosting drone. I had to move at less than full speed in many maps because Loki was so fast the terrain's undulations would cause it to jump up and lose traction!
Speed drone? There are a few that add speed for different reasons. Discus used to be the poor man's absorber drone, is now a pure speed drone methinks...
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Post by dinnerplain on Sept 16, 2023 3:21:07 GMT -5
Quantum Radar & QS are undervalued on beacon games.
On a separate note, on a recent test server I ran Loki with the speed boosting drone. I had to move at less than full speed in many maps because Loki was so fast the terrain's undulations would cause it to jump up and lose traction!
Speed drone?
Showdown. That's the drone I want to pair up with my Loki.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Sept 16, 2023 6:07:15 GMT -5
Showdown. That's the drone I want to pair up with my Loki.
Same, I’m mentally putting together a Frustration Hangar. Speed, stealth and/or t-port are a central theme.
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Post by Poopface on Sept 16, 2023 6:40:38 GMT -5
Showdown. That's the drone I want to pair up with my Loki.
Same, I’m mentally putting together a Frustration Hangar. Speed, stealth and/or t-port are a central theme. In these parts, we call that a FU Hanger. Same goals, same dream. 👍😃👍
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Sept 21, 2023 19:49:33 GMT -5
Same, I’m mentally putting together a Frustration Hangar. Speed, stealth and/or t-port are a central theme. In these parts, we call that a FU Hanger. Same goals, same dream. 👍😃👍 Now, if we could just get a 25% or 40% Drone upgrade discount
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Post by 079 on Sept 21, 2023 20:41:54 GMT -5
In these parts, we call that a FU Hanger. Same goals, same dream. 👍😃👍 Now, if we could just get a 25% or 40% Drone upgrade discount Hey, Rollo’s in the house! Nice to have you here!
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Post by dinnerplain on Oct 27, 2023 1:28:12 GMT -5
My current Loki builds have at least 1 Needle to provide an aegis shield ability. Since the aegis shield is active all the time, it helps reduce incidental damage while you're in stealth mode.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Oct 27, 2023 2:49:28 GMT -5
My current Loki builds have at least 1 Needle to provide an aegis shield ability. Since the aegis shield is active all the time, it helps reduce incidental damage while you're in stealth mode. Great idea...the Aegis just got buffed as well, at the cost of some damage...At this point even a full Needle or Harpoon/Sonic mix Loki does not sound bad. Fortifier/Afterburner/Immune Amp. Needle Loki might be worth a go eh? Besides we can't let Oliver Kloesov have ALL the Loki fun by himself.
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Post by dinnerplain on Oct 27, 2023 4:59:36 GMT -5
My current Loki builds have at least 1 Needle to provide an aegis shield ability. Since the aegis shield is active all the time, it helps reduce incidental damage while you're in stealth mode. Great idea...the Aegis just got buffed as well, at the cost of some damage...At this point even a full Needle or Harpoon/Sonic mix Loki does not sound bad. Fortifier/Afterburner/Immune Amp. Needle Loki might be worth a go eh? Besides we can't let Oliver Kloesov have ALL the Loki fun by himself.
Yup, I'm doing Harpoon/Sonic mix.
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Post by Wolfblood7 on Oct 27, 2023 13:10:01 GMT -5
The new Seeker drone will be the end for Loki. Needs a serious buff already imo
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Post by 079 on Oct 27, 2023 15:58:11 GMT -5
The new Seeker drone will be the end for Loki. Needs a serious buff already imo Bold statement given that titan Quantum Sensor and Quantum Radar spike due to Lynx each only caused temporary dips in Loki numbers. Getting too close to meta bots already often spelled death due to most being able to hit Loki without targeting, so I doubt this will change much. Even if Seeker deals another blow to Loki, it will probably come back like the cockroach it is!
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Oct 27, 2023 18:12:42 GMT -5
I definitely noticed the announcement of the Seeker drone. A: Lynx and Ophion pilots with Quantum Radar hurt but I still run two Lokis. B: Quantum sensor on Titans is surprisingly rare. C: Ocho’s ability being able to damage Loki sucks. D: Seeker drone will be another problem but the whales will have them first and whales are already a problem and yet I persist with the Lokis.
So… I’ll kinda wait and see. I love being a beacon guy so I may run 3 or 4 Skyros instead.
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Post by dinnerplain on Oct 27, 2023 19:38:20 GMT -5
I definitely noticed the announcement of the Seeker drone. A: Lynx and Ophion pilots with Quantum Radar hurt but I still run two Lokis. B: Quantum sensor on Titans is surprisingly rare. C: Ocho’s ability being able to damage Loki sucks. D: Seeker drone will be another problem but the whales will have them first and whales are already a problem and yet I persist with the Lokis. So… I’ll kinda wait and see. I love being a beacon guy so I may run 3 or 4 Skyros instead.
A. Why does a Lynx pilot run Quantum Radar? Ophion hurts more than just Loki. B. I put it on all my Titans because I play Domination. I get a LOT of Loki/Lynx/Roach kills.
C. Ocho sucks. D. Yes, seeker drone will be a problem, but only if you're within 200m of it.
In other words, live long and play Loki.
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Post by dinnerplain on Oct 27, 2023 19:40:21 GMT -5
The new Seeker drone will be the end for Loki. Needs a serious buff already imo
An ultimate Loki that came with Mechanic capability or just a 25% boost to active module duration. Now you're talking.
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Post by Wolfblood7 on Oct 28, 2023 1:07:19 GMT -5
The new Seeker drone will be the end for Loki. Needs a serious buff already imo Bold statement given that titan Quantum Sensor and Quantum Radar spike due to Lynx each only caused temporary dips in Loki numbers. Getting too close to meta bots already often spelled death due to most being able to hit Loki without targeting, so I doubt this will change much. Even if Seeker deals another blow to Loki, it will probably come back like the cockroach it is! I tried running mine for a video a while back in Champion league and its impossible lol. There's so many extra hazards now, the Lynx and Ophion have built in Quantum Radar, as you said more people are running it to counter Lynx and Crisis, Ochokochi and Anglers AOE ability, and the worst, Seraph. At least the Crisis can shoot during its ability. Loki should be tweaked like that.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Oct 28, 2023 7:49:48 GMT -5
Bold statement given that titan Quantum Sensor and Quantum Radar spike due to Lynx each only caused temporary dips in Loki numbers. Getting too close to meta bots already often spelled death due to most being able to hit Loki without targeting, so I doubt this will change much. Even if Seeker deals another blow to Loki, it will probably come back like the cockroach it is! I tried running mine for a video a while back in Champion league and its impossible lol. There's so many extra hazards now, the Lynx and Ophion have built in Quantum Radar, as you said more people are running it to counter Lynx and Crisis, Ochokochi and Anglers AOE ability, and the worst, Seraph. At least the Crisis can shoot during its ability. Loki should be tweaked like that. 12 second reload on Reaper. That’s Loki/Whiteout killing time. Got a Crisis this morning and he even had Quantum Radar! Boom! You and This EXO guy run QS, nobody else. Thankfully. I exaggerate, but it is rare out there.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Oct 28, 2023 8:01:01 GMT -5
Wolfblood7. Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not delusional (much), Loki can be a blast still but it takes a team as always. If the reds have all the Ochos it’s going to be a quick game.
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Post by dinnerplain on Oct 28, 2023 8:45:01 GMT -5
I tried running mine for a video a while back in Champion league and its impossible lol. There's so many extra hazards now, the Lynx and Ophion have built in Quantum Radar, as you said more people are running it to counter Lynx and Crisis, Ochokochi and Anglers AOE ability, and the worst, Seraph. At least the Crisis can shoot during its ability. Loki should be tweaked like that. 12 second reload on Reaper. That’s Loki/Whiteout killing time. Got a Crisis this morning and he even had Quantum Radar! Boom! Yeah, I've been getting some of that action with my Loki too You and This EXO guy run QS, nobody else. Thankfully. I exaggerate, but it is rare out there. I was doing 2*QS in my Metz with 2*800m to take out the other Metzs floating with stealth.
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Post by Wolfblood7 on Oct 28, 2023 10:54:59 GMT -5
Wolfblood7 . Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not delusional (much), Loki can be a blast still but it takes a team as always. If the reds have all the Ochos it’s going to be a quick game. I genuinely miss running the Loki - I leveled mine too late. I have the experimental one at 2.12 and a decently leveled pilot, but it just doesn't run like it used to.
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