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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 16, 2016 7:57:55 GMT -5
" Hey, I'm trying this interesting and slightly unusual load-out on this type of bot and it seems to work for me"
Response: " NOOOO! THATS WRONG! YOU SHOULD ONLY USE THESE BOTS AND LOAD-OUTS THAT I USE!"
"Hey, I found this aspect of the game frustrating, I think it would improve the game if PIX fixed it"
Response: "YOU ARE A STOOPID CRYBABY NOOB!"
We are better than this as a community. It's a mobile game that has been surprisingly addictive and fun to play. (I found it looking for an MWO mobile game). I play the game more than I do PC games anymore. It's got a wide range of play options and is (for the most part) well balanced. I like people trying new hangars and load-outs. I like people making constructive suggestions on improving game play and game balance. Let's stop shouting them down. Constructive criticisms, and suggestions? Awesome!
P.S. I think most of the regulars and admin don't do the above. Even Deathhilt, who I have disagreed with in the past, usually tempers his comments useful advice, but I'm seeing more and more new members doing the shout downs and I hope that we stop it as a community.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 16, 2016 8:16:03 GMT -5
NOOOOO THATS WRONG YOU SHOULD ONLY START THREADS LIKE I DO
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 16, 2016 8:40:18 GMT -5
So I should turn this into a poll?
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 16, 2016 8:44:52 GMT -5
YOU ARE A STOOPID CRYBABY NOOB!
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Post by boomsplat on Nov 16, 2016 10:09:46 GMT -5
ONLY IF YOU DESIGN THE POLL LIKE HOW I WOULD DESIGN THE POLL!
Hey, I applaud the sentiment you express, but I just don't know if you can change people....better to just keep setting the example like you are. Just like you, War Robots has become my favorite, but the game is broad with arcane formulas driving it that bring a lot of different approaches. I don't want to get in shouting matches about it, and I wonder if developers even lurk on this forum site. The rants on clubbing and wep/bot nerfs/buffs are widely known without a lot of rapid change in the game....so discuss away but just don't expect others to change - change what you can control and keep working towards making it better.
Cheers!
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Post by Vindictive999 on Nov 16, 2016 10:17:04 GMT -5
Hey I am a cry baby noob and like to be shouted at. Please dont nerf the shouting...
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 16, 2016 10:47:31 GMT -5
This thread brings to mind something I have noticed but never thought about, until reading it. I do agree that if anyone even starts to talk about a setup that is "unapproved" by the masses, it's shut down, quick. Even if the poster starts with a disclaimer like, "I know this isn't normally recommended..." or "I know the best setup would be RDB/PDB/DB* etc., but I found that XYZ works for me in _____ situation," 20 posts will follow telling them their hanger is jacked and they need to equip a RDB/DB/PDB. *Just examples... it could be whatever the common loadout is for that particular bot.*We need to remember this is fun. Or, it's supposed to be. Competition is great and all, but it's a game in the end. I had the most fun in a while playing some "troll"** configurations in low silver the other day with some clan mates. 3x Geck 1x ECU Patton, All Nori Patton, Zenit Spiral Vitz, Kwk Molot Molot-t Golums, Zeus Spiral Hydra Golum,etc. I had never used those arty weapons before. I won the Zens and Norcs in the pumpkin event and actually had a blast using them. Norcs can actually do a bit of damage... Lead the target if they are running and I actually saw health drop a bit! And on the patton, you are still able to take an undefended beacon, and can stay mobile and keep hammering them with metallic, exploding popcorn.  Zenits were still pretty much crap, but they (and the Norcs) were default level 5, so I am not expecting much. And the Geckos were actually doing a bit of good too... Surprised the heck out of me because all I see are "you're doing it wrong if you use ____" Anyway, there is a time and place for ultra competitive setups, as well as fun setups. It's easy for all of us to talk down from our high horse, without realizing we are even in the saddle. Just sayin, try to keep it in perspective. If someone wants to talk about a particular "not standard" loadout, then let's talk about that loadout with them... and try to not tell them how dumb the idea is. Especially if it is an entire thread devoted to that setup. It's a discussion board, I know, and everyone has an opinion and should feel free to express it... both positive and negative. The average player isn't trying to rule the leaderboards, and we shouldn't assume our way is the only way. Even if it is the best way  ** Am I the only person that feels that even calling alternate configurations, "troll configurations" is sad?** |
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Post by Scorpio Snow on Nov 16, 2016 11:37:18 GMT -5
Actually that does bring up some food for thought.
When someone tell about a new setup besides Plasma and Missles their idea is blown up pretty quickly..
Sometimes we forget why we plays game in the first place: to have FUN. That's probably why people hate clubbers, they are not fun, and brings with them frustration and unhealthy feelings.
So yeah, tricky said some wisdom right there: relax, laid back and have fun. There are optimised setups, and then there are some trolling ones. It might not work, but at least it reminds me why i start to play games. xD
So if you are going to argue someone, make it nice and polite, we can do that. I have dropped too many games due to toxic community (like LoL, where you sometimes need to mute chat all your team), and i really love this game. I would NOT want to drop it for that reason.
Cheers up, and most important.
Have fun.
xD
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Post by boomsplat on Nov 16, 2016 15:20:47 GMT -5
For fun, we will load up level 1 Ag weps on level 1 bots and play in low tiers....it is fun running around pecking at other red bots until you get blown away. Being obsessed about win %s and avg bots killed takes the joy out of this game....until you remember you have to have enough silver for that next upgrade of the Gold weps.
Troll configurations is a good name for it....Tie Fighter config (2 ECUs and a Gekko on a gep)....a player named Shieldbot with a Fury with three Ancilles...the list goes on and on.
Cheers!
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Post by Strayed on Nov 16, 2016 16:33:34 GMT -5
In my opinion, if you are on an advice thread or wiki page and are shut down for bringing up an uncoventional setup, you shouldn't complain. Our job is to provide the best info that we have, not unconventional info. There's a reason why certain setups have been accepted by the masses, because they have been proven time and time again to be effective.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 16, 2016 16:39:17 GMT -5
In my opinion, if you are on an advice thread or wiki page and are shut down for bringing up an uncoventional setup, you shouldn't complain. Our job is to provide the best info that we have, not unconventional info. There's a reason why certain setups have been accepted by the masses, because they have been proven time and time again to be effective. Ohhhhhh so that's why winged geps aren't 'conventional'... why'd you leave it till now to tell us?! |
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Post by Muhlakai on Nov 16, 2016 16:43:52 GMT -5
In my opinion, if you are on an advice thread or wiki page and are shut down for bringing up an uncoventional setup, you shouldn't complain. Our job is to provide the best info that we have, not unconventional info. This. Absolutely. If you ask for advice and get upset when people say that your current set up is INadvisable, then grow up. Don't ask for advice if all you want is for people to cheer your thunder/zenith Natasha as a clever twist on artillery. And likewise, if someone comes in asking for advice and you start spewing about how great your generally inadvisable but personal fave setup would fit in their hangar then move along and discuss your unorthodox setup somewhere that's appropriate, not in a thread where someone is specifically asking for tried-and-true advice. Practically speaking, though, this thread is preaching to the choir. It's unlikely to be seen by the people who most need to see it. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 16, 2016 17:10:15 GMT -5
To be clear... my post isn't aimed at "Help me with my hanger" threads. That is different and not at all what I got from the OP.
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Pilot name: [2wik] Scorpio Snow
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League: Silver
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Post by Scorpio Snow on Nov 16, 2016 18:49:49 GMT -5
Well yes, of course it's admin and moderator's job to provide the best info we have. It's just that..do it gently. I would love if someone advices me "While X have a small advantage of this, its very inconventional due to these reasons. Therefore, it would be best for your performance if you opt for setup Y. sometimes if you feels like relaxing and trolling a bit X could be a viable option, but if you want to seriously kick bum-bum and win, X would be your best choice." Unbias, friendly while still staying effective as an advice. I know opt for something like that takes time but i strongly believe that's something we could do. Much better than simplay stating plain and simple "Your setup suck." After all, when we post an advice, we want to help him advance in the game and feels good about seeing himself advancing instead of frustrates him to the point where he just quit. I have been playing with a lots of you guys and all of you are very kind and helpful to me. That's what i wish upon the others seeking for advices too. It's the community that help me get through that game with full hangar gep x6,.etc.. So overall being a little more gentle to the one seeking advice  They are not cheater nor are they rule-breaker, no reason to go harsh on the guy. Add a little reason, give him a friendly attitude and a smile surely help him understand your advice better Thnks guys. |
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 16, 2016 19:02:11 GMT -5
In my opinion, if you are on an advice thread or wiki page and are shut down for bringing up an uncoventional setup, you shouldn't complain. Our job is to provide the best info that we have, not unconventional info. This. Absolutely. If you ask for advice and get upset when people say that your current set up is INadvisable, then grow up. Don't ask for advice if all you want is for people to cheer your thunder/zenith Natasha as a clever twist on artillery. And likewise, if someone comes in asking for advice and you start spewing about how great your generally inadvisable but personal fave setup would fit in their hangar then move along and discuss your unorthodox setup somewhere that's appropriate, not in a thread where someone is specifically asking for tried-and-true advice. Practically speaking, though, this thread is preaching to the choir. It's unlikely to be seen by the people who most need to see it. I think you and Stayed may be misreading my intent. I'm not talking about either "How is my hanger ?" threads or about when members give really bad advice to other members (Who was that guy on the old forum with the weird Leo set-up that he touted as being Gold tier magic?). An example of what I'm talking about is recently a member won a Leo during the pumpkin drawings and asked for best set-ups. There were plenty of real and helpful answers but also a lot of "The best Leo is a Griffin or Galahad!". Same thing on a couple of Fujin threads. Those answers don't help. I'm running a Destrier hangar for a month for fun and I asked if people thought CRV's or Punishers would work better on a Destrier after I found out Spirals are garbage no matter how high you level them, and it blew peoples minds. (CRV's are totally the way to go BTW) |
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Post by moody on Nov 16, 2016 19:07:50 GMT -5
So, should we have a thread dedicated to this type of thing with a title of something like "what unconventional loadout works for you?" I know my thunder trident sprial natasha would end up on it.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 16, 2016 19:10:41 GMT -5
So, should we have a thread dedicated to this type of thing with a title of something like "what unconventional loadout works for you?" I know my thunder trident sprial natasha would end up on it. I'm really trying to picture that in my head....Nope...got nothing. What level Bot and weapons? |
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 16, 2016 19:14:45 GMT -5
So, should we have a thread dedicated to this type of thing with a title of something like "what unconventional loadout works for you?" I know my thunder trident sprial natasha would end up on it. I'm really trying to picture that in my head....Nope...got nothing. What level Bot and weapons? I think it was a joke, because it doesn't. |
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 16, 2016 19:16:28 GMT -5
I'm really trying to picture that in my head....Nope...got nothing. What level Bot and weapons? I think it was a joke, because it doesn't. Phew... |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 16, 2016 19:17:58 GMT -5
I think it was a joke, because it doesn't. What about my ECU/gekko/hydra/Orkan rhino? |
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Nov 16, 2016 19:19:40 GMT -5
I think it was a joke, because it doesn't. What about my ECU/gekko/hydra/Orkan rhino? Not as good as my ECU/pin/hydra/Molot T griffin |
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 16, 2016 19:20:23 GMT -5
Noricum/Magnum Destrier.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 16, 2016 19:21:14 GMT -5
Also, I'm fairly certain I've actually encountered many of these majestic rare beasts in the wilds...
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 16, 2016 19:21:30 GMT -5
What about my ECU/gekko/hydra/Orkan rhino? Not as good as my ECU/pin/hydra/Molot T griffin Those are all similar ranges, so it actually is a lot better  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 19:24:10 GMT -5
This. Absolutely. If you ask for advice and get upset when people say that your current set up is INadvisable, then grow up. Don't ask for advice if all you want is for people to cheer your thunder/zenith Natasha as a clever twist on artillery. And likewise, if someone comes in asking for advice and you start spewing about how great your generally inadvisable but personal fave setup would fit in their hangar then move along and discuss your unorthodox setup somewhere that's appropriate, not in a thread where someone is specifically asking for tried-and-true advice. Practically speaking, though, this thread is preaching to the choir. It's unlikely to be seen by the people who most need to see it. I think you and Stayed may be misreading my intent. I'm not talking about either "How is my hanger ?" threads or about when members give really bad advice to other members (Who was that guy on the old forum with the weird Leo set-up that he touted as being Gold tier magic?). An example of what I'm talking about is recently a member won a Leo during the pumpkin drawings and asked for best set-ups. There were plenty of real and helpful answers but also a lot of "The best Leo is a Griffin or Galahad!". Same thing on a couple of Fujin threads. Those answers don't help. I'm running a Destrier hangar for a month for fun and I asked if people thought CRV's or Punishers would work better on a Destrier after I found out Spirals are garbage no matter how high you level them, and it blew peoples minds. (CRV's are totally the way to go BTW) The wierd leo setup you refer to might have been the infamous right.on. who ran a triple mag ancile leo and was known to refer to it as a 'tank.' I'm really not trying to rag on him but it was a example of a related argument - you should run whatever you want and it doesn't matter what people say. BUT, the issue admins, mods etc had with him was that he was trying to prop up his unconventional loadouts as competitive, even in gold and top tier, and the newer players were unaware that his advice was questionable IF a poster was asking for help from a truly competitive standpoint. Guess I do sound like I'm ragging on him. |
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Post by moody on Nov 16, 2016 19:39:57 GMT -5
So, should we have a thread dedicated to this type of thing with a title of something like "what unconventional loadout works for you?" I know my thunder trident sprial natasha would end up on it. I'm really trying to picture that in my head....Nope...got nothing. What level Bot and weapons? No, it's real. It's a placeholder until I get something better and some other weapons levelled up. level 6 8 heavies and 7 spirals. Works beside some much more conventional griffins and a thunder mag leo. Every time I send it out it takes down at least one opponent. Not gotten many beacons with it though. It will be replaced, don't worry. |
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 16, 2016 19:59:59 GMT -5
Back before the Heavy speed bump and before I understood how Matchmaking worked, I hit a point where it seemed I was getting spawn raided a lot. To counter this, I placed a double Thunder/Spiral Natasha in my hangar. The logic being that the double thunders could make quick work of the Shuetze, Boas and Vityaz and the spirals could chase off the Gepards. It kinda worked (less so on the Gepards) but in retrospect, it probably cost me more in placing me in tougher competition than it gained me in spawn raider kills.
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Post by Muhlakai on Nov 16, 2016 20:14:23 GMT -5
I'm not talking about either "How is my hanger ?" threads or about when members give really bad advice to other members. An example of what I'm talking about is recently a member won a Leo during the pumpkin drawings and asked for best set-ups. There were plenty of real and helpful answers but also a lot of "The best Leo is a Griffin or Galahad!". Those answers don't help. I'm running a Destrier hangar for a month for fun and I asked if people thought CRV's or Punishers would work better on a Destrier after I found out Spirals are garbage no matter how high you level them, and it blew peoples minds. (CRV's are totally the way to go BTW) As the one who said that the best Leo is a Griffin or Galahad, I feel obligated to point out that what I was doing is still essentially what you're asking for. That player came looking for advice on a competitive build for a frame that doesn't have any truly competitive builds. If I started a thread asking for the best build for the Natasha that *I* (actually, honestly) won in the pumpkin chests I would expect people to steer me away from the slow, fragile frame. The player you mentioned did not ask about "common" builds but the "best" build and, frankly, a Griffin or Galahad IS a comparable and better choice for that slot in his running hangar. It's worth pointing out that I did not belabor the point or mock him. My post was clear, straightforward, and I did not lean on him any farther. In a somewhat unrelated note, I knew that Pins would beat Pinatas in your Destrier build, but didn't see the thread until you'd figured it out. More to the point, though, the difference is that you were clear that you knew you were building a noncompetitive hangar for learning purposes. The poor sap with the Leo hoped that he had struck it lucky. |
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Post by SGT D00M! on Nov 16, 2016 20:29:30 GMT -5
Fair enough. I'm really not trying to point fingers BTW.
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Zenits were still pretty much crap, but they (and the Norcs) were default level 5, so I am not expecting much. And the Geckos were actually doing a bit of good too... Surprised the heck out of me because all I see are "you're doing it wrong if you use ____"
They are not cheater nor are they rule-breaker, no reason to go harsh on the guy. Add a little reason, give him a friendly attitude and a smile surely help him understand your advice better 
