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Post by mrhanky on Nov 15, 2021 8:37:05 GMT -5
I was already reading this forum for a while but now I created an account because I'm a bit stuck. I don't know how to continue and what are the beste steps to take. Currently my hangar looks like this
Guardian 4.4 with MR8 4.6
Panther 4.6 with LA8 and LA10
Killshot 4.5 with Jav6 3.7
Paragon 4.4 with PC8 3.7
848000 credits and 2200 coins.
I tried to run the MR8 on the killshot but at this moment the Jav6 works better voor me.
My main question is what weapons I should focus on now. I can go for the AT10 + AT6 setup but I hear mix reactions on that on. I can buy the DL8 but also I'm not sure if that's the best way to continue.
I have 80600 XP so Zephyr is still far away.
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Post by Koalabear on Nov 15, 2021 10:23:01 GMT -5
A lot depends on what you find to be fun to run. Zephyr is not bad, but I retired mine a long time ago and haven't really pulled it out for anything.
I think you need another beacon capper for late game caps, and the Zep will certainly help for a while in TDM games with small maps. I favour Shadow while some folks favour MD. Now that the Cheetah got buffed, I think it's viable too once its leveled up a bit.
If you like CQC, then the AT series may work well for you. If you prefer longer range combat (beyond 30m), then stay away from them.
If you have that many resources, I'd probably keep saving them and get the CB12 when it's available. Then, start saving for the RG16.
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Post by S1E1 on Nov 15, 2021 11:31:34 GMT -5
Killshot with Jav6s will be a dominant build for some time, and then it will stop working. The 6s will be too weak and the reload time to long. That's when to switch to MR8s. I would hold off on getting AT6s. The 10s are worthwhile but all 6EN weapons have a limit to their usefulness, with Javs lasting the longest.
You have a really good hangar going there. Weapon-wise I'd focus on upgrading what you have more than getting something new. Ultimately (and I am excluding Disc Launchers here because they are so new) the most important weapons for endgame tournament are RG16, CB12, RM12, AT10, LA10, CB10, MR8 and maybe/rarely CB8s and Jav6s. You are definitely investing in good weapons for mid-game that are also cost-effective choices so you can save up for the later stuff. I'd take the LA10 to rank 6 and the MR8, PC8 and Jav6s to R5. I didn't focus on my PC8s coming up, I got CB8s instead, but if I had to do it again I would have tried the reverse and saved the A-Coin. Once PC8s get to 5+ they are pretty solid.
Anyway, I am not saying you immediately have to upgrade these weapons, just that they are worth it. But if you're feeling extra stuck right now, my advice would be to get an Ares and run it instead of the Paragon. I don't think you need new weapons (or a beacon runner which will be expensive to upgrade) - you just need a tank with some staying power. Ares is fast, it can charge strong bots in the open, and it is a good counter to Jav6s, if you use the shield to block them. It is also the most popular 5th bot for endgame. Paragon can be fun but it is a little too squishy and it needs to dodge too much. That's also the weakness of Jav6 Killshots - they can force you to hang back too much in CPC matches when you need to grab beacons. I think that's what is likely giving you problems. One bot that needs to hang back is fine, but two even in a five slot hangar can be too limiting. I'd get an Ares now, possibly open your 5th slot just for CPC games, and then get the Zephyr when you unlock it
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Post by reconnecting on Nov 15, 2021 14:50:07 GMT -5
Replace Paragon if you can with Ares or Jugg. Upgrade LA10 and maybe 8s if you like long range sniping. Upgrade Jav6s put on Killshot. Upgrade MR8, Killshot and Panther in that order. Good luck.
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Post by deviant on Nov 15, 2021 16:27:51 GMT -5
Agree with others that the Paragon needs to be replaced - Ares would be good (and hopefully you have enough blueprints to upgrade immediately to Rank 4). You're about 3 weeks away from unlocking Zephyr, so keep some credits for that.
When you unlock Zephyr, move the MR 8s to Zephyr. I found Stasis Beam 16 and Thermal Lance 4 was a good support combo for Guardian while you wait to unlock Carbine 12. Carbine 12 and Pulse Cannon 8 is a good combo for Guardian then, and move the SB 16 and TL4 to Panther and use 2 LA 8s on Ares.
My 2 cents based on what I found worked best for me at the same stage.
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Post by mrhanky on Nov 16, 2021 1:35:44 GMT -5
Thx for the tips. I already had ares but my paragon had more energy so I could fit the 2 pc8s. Yesterday I have upgraded Ares and it's now running the pc8s. I will keep grinding credits and coins and will focus on my current Mechs and weapons and will wait with buying new stuff
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Post by Redfiend on Nov 16, 2021 6:58:32 GMT -5
Thx for the tips. I already had ares but my paragon had more energy so I could fit the 2 pc8s. Yesterday I have upgraded Ares and it's now running the pc8s. I will keep grinding credits and coins and will focus on my current Mechs and weapons and will wait with buying new stuff Your next purchase goals are the Carbine 12 and the Railgun. Honestly, even though you will unlock the Carb 12 first, do not buy it unless you have enough coins for Carb 12 AND RG saved up. Railgun is so important that you'll want to get it as soon as you unlock it. It only takes a few bad fortune vaults or tourney days to be short on coins by the time Railgun unlocks if you buy Carb 12 right away. |
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Post by mrhanky on Nov 16, 2021 9:38:43 GMT -5
I dont know the price of Carb12 and RG16 but they are both far far away for me to get. RG16 is 170K XP. That will take months to get there.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 16, 2021 12:13:32 GMT -5
I dont know the price of Carb12 and RG16 but they are both far far away for me to get. RG16 is 170K XP. That will take months to get there. I are dumb. |
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Post by S1E1 on Nov 16, 2021 14:25:34 GMT -5
Personally, I wouldn't worry as much about saving. Folks play different amounts and earn at different rates, so it's a bit hard to know what'll be comfortable for you. You're going to get stuck sometimes regardless, whether it is waiting to get gear your opponents suddenly all have, waiting for blueprints, or needing to focus on a backlog of weapon upgrades. Saving is not a bad strategy, but the extra earning power of say upgrading two bots instead might be a bit more efficient; it's hard to say. I'd play it by feel as you go.
That said RG16 is the one piece of gear where you most feel the impact it makes on your hangar. Getting it and then doubling it is the biggest tournament priority there is. Whether you save for it beforehand or not, I'd agree that you'll want to get it before a CB12. That should also make it easier to earn the price of a CB12 faster. Until then, the only new weapons I'd go for are the RM12 and the AT10, which are both very effective earners on the right maps. Otherwise, I'd just keep upgrading the weapons you have.
But take all this advice with a grain of salt. You know the pace you're going at and and can plan it out better than us. The game was more generous when a lot of us started and really most of us wasted A-Coins left and right trying out different gear. Now that the screws have tightened, I think we might be more worried about the economics for newer players than they are themselves. Also we're all War Robots veterans which means we're deeply, deeply traumatized on all this stuff. You have definitely made smart moves gearing up so far, so I wouldn't worry too much.
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Post by Redfiend on Nov 16, 2021 15:40:35 GMT -5
I dont know the price of Carb12 and RG16 but they are both far far away for me to get. RG16 is 170K XP. That will take months to get there. IIRC, CB12 is 5k ACoins. RG is 5500. So, to follow Redfiend’s advice, save up at least 10500 ACoins and make that your new 0. You may still need to wait to unlock them once you save that much if your XP is still lagging, but having the ACoins already in place is VERY helpful and worth doing. Also, remember that for both you will need to copy them. Credits, BPs, and ACoins for getting them from 5.1 to 6.1 would be even better to already have once you unlock them. Unless you are going to spend to make up the difference, definitely have to plan way ahead in this game for top tier items. Especially for Prototype gear, since their BPs are not very commonly found. Since when? Carb 12 has always been 7500 coins, RG 8275, so a total of 15775 coins. |
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Post by deviant on Nov 16, 2021 16:51:34 GMT -5
I think it's manageable to buy both the CB12 and RG16 as you unlock them, but basically you need to stop spending A Coins now and start saving them.
At 80k XP, unlocking CB 12 is at least 25-28 days of play away. That should be plenty of time to save the approx 5k more A Coins you need to buy the CB 12 (earning an average of 200 A Coins a day is achievable based on my experience with enough play time each day).
Then it's another 60k XP (at least 50 days) to unlock the RG 16. Earning 10k A Coins in that period should be achievable. Keep saving A Coins until you have the 8,275 A Coins to be able to buy the RG 16, and then only spend any additional A Coins you earn on top of that.
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Post by mrhanky on Nov 17, 2021 2:53:42 GMT -5
Personally, I wouldn't worry as much about saving. Folks play different amounts and earn at different rates, so it's a bit hard to know what'll be comfortable for you. You're going to get stuck sometimes regardless, whether it is waiting to get gear your opponents suddenly all have, waiting for blueprints, or needing to focus on a backlog of weapon upgrades. Saving is not a bad strategy, but the extra earning power of say upgrading two bots instead might be a bit more efficient; it's hard to say. I'd play it by feel as you go. That said RG16 is the one piece of gear where you most feel the impact it makes on your hangar. Getting it and then doubling it is the biggest tournament priority there is. Whether you save for it beforehand or not, I'd agree that you'll want to get it before a CB12. That should also make it easier to earn the price of a CB12 faster. Until then, the only new weapons I'd go for are the RM12 and the AT10, which are both very effective earners on the right maps. Otherwise, I'd just keep upgrading the weapons you have. But take all this advice with a grain of salt. You know the pace you're going at and and can plan it out better than us. The game was more generous when a lot of us started and really most of us wasted A-Coins left and right trying out different gear. Now that the screws have tightened, I think we might be more worried about the economics for newer players than they are themselves. Also we're all War Robots veterans which means we're deeply, deeply traumatized on all this stuff. You have definitely made smart moves gearing up so far, so I wouldn't worry too much. I also played War Robots for some time but I stopped with it because i just could not get the right gear at time, at some time the fun was just gone. At this moment i like Mech Arena but i really hope it wont go the same way as War Robots. I just opend the game and see the Battle Pass announcement.....omg here we go. Luckly its only giving skins and i really dont care about the skins. I hope we can start selling items in the future. I also wasted a-coins a few weeks ago with the event where you could buy tokens for 500coins each. The prices where skins and more acoins. I think its was the first disklauncher8 event. I dont know what i was doing but i think i wasted 2000coins. But oke back to the game. I will save up all the a-coins now as mutch as possible. When an upgrade is possible which would help me i would take it but the most coins i will just save. Then the last tip, AT10 and RM12. I can buy those but will it really help me, RM12 is not that expensive but AT10 is 2675 coins. |
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Post by S1E1 on Nov 17, 2021 14:59:02 GMT -5
Personally, I wouldn't worry as much about saving. Folks play different amounts and earn at different rates, so it's a bit hard to know what'll be comfortable for you. You're going to get stuck sometimes regardless, whether it is waiting to get gear your opponents suddenly all have, waiting for blueprints, or needing to focus on a backlog of weapon upgrades. Saving is not a bad strategy, but the extra earning power of say upgrading two bots instead might be a bit more efficient; it's hard to say. I'd play it by feel as you go. That said RG16 is the one piece of gear where you most feel the impact it makes on your hangar. Getting it and then doubling it is the biggest tournament priority there is. Whether you save for it beforehand or not, I'd agree that you'll want to get it before a CB12. That should also make it easier to earn the price of a CB12 faster. Until then, the only new weapons I'd go for are the RM12 and the AT10, which are both very effective earners on the right maps. Otherwise, I'd just keep upgrading the weapons you have. But take all this advice with a grain of salt. You know the pace you're going at and and can plan it out better than us. The game was more generous when a lot of us started and really most of us wasted A-Coins left and right trying out different gear. Now that the screws have tightened, I think we might be more worried about the economics for newer players than they are themselves. Also we're all War Robots veterans which means we're deeply, deeply traumatized on all this stuff. You have definitely made smart moves gearing up so far, so I wouldn't worry too much. I also played War Robots for some time but I stopped with it because i just could not get the right gear at time, at some time the fun was just gone. At this moment i like Mech Arena but i really hope it wont go the same way as War Robots. I just opend the game and see the Battle Pass announcement.....omg here we go. Luckly its only giving skins and i really dont care about the skins. I hope we can start selling items in the future. I also wasted a-coins a few weeks ago with the event where you could buy tokens for 500coins each. The prices where skins and more acoins. I think its was the first disklauncher8 event. I dont know what i was doing but i think i wasted 2000coins. But oke back to the game. I will save up all the a-coins now as mutch as possible. When an upgrade is possible which would help me i would take it but the most coins i will just save. Then the last tip, AT10 and RM12. I can buy those but will it really help me, RM12 is not that expensive but AT10 is 2675 coins. I'd prioritize RM12 over AT10 anyway, it will be more useful earlier on. AT10 is a later game weapon mainly for Zephyr and you haven't even unlocked that mech yet. Zephyr dominates in mid-game with 2xMR8s and then becomes less useful for a while til you get it up to Rank 6 with 2xAT10s (AT10+MR8 is a good interim build though). That's the thing on saving. You really do have a long way to go before you unlock the Railgun. I don't remember how long it took me to get from where you are to that or how many A-Coins I earned in that time (and they've adjusted both earnings and the progress path since) but you should have enough time to save for the RG16, get both those weapons, and upgrade your existing gear a whole bunch. Just my opinion though of course. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2021 4:33:49 GMT -5
What weapons are we liking on Shadow for late game drop/beacon grab? Can go Plasma4, Missile4, AC4 (I know they suck…)…other options would have to be bought.
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Post by Koalabear on Nov 18, 2021 8:36:10 GMT -5
The best weapon for the Shadow is the JR6. I haven't maxed my Shadow yet, so only have 14EN right now. I've tried DL8/JR6 and have gone back to dual JR6 because thanks to the critical chance and the ability to arc around corners, I actually do more damage with JR6 than I do with DL8. The Shadow has a tiny HP pool, so you really need to stay out of LOS. Once misstep and you will be SSK'd for sure. Still, I love the little guy and it's my fave mech.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 18, 2021 8:50:44 GMT -5
IIRC, CB12 is 5k ACoins. RG is 5500. So, to follow Redfiend’s advice, save up at least 10500 ACoins and make that your new 0. You may still need to wait to unlock them once you save that much if your XP is still lagging, but having the ACoins already in place is VERY helpful and worth doing. Also, remember that for both you will need to copy them. Credits, BPs, and ACoins for getting them from 5.1 to 6.1 would be even better to already have once you unlock them. Unless you are going to spend to make up the difference, definitely have to plan way ahead in this game for top tier items. Especially for Prototype gear, since their BPs are not very commonly found. Since when? Carb 12 has always been 7500 coins, RG 8275, so a total of 15775 coins. Hmmm… I don’t remember personally… was going by a spreadsheet I obviously didn’t read correctly lol. Will correct… |
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Post by reconnecting on Nov 25, 2021 13:03:20 GMT -5
What weapons are we liking on Shadow for late game drop/beacon grab? Can go Plasma4, Missile4, AC4 (I know they suck…)…other options would have to be bought. I know this is kind of late but, I go with one 8en weapon like MR8, or a Jav6 and whatever. |
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Post by mrhanky on Dec 6, 2021 5:06:26 GMT -5
Update on my hangar
101180 xp
Guardian 4.6 with mr8 4.7
Panter 4.7 with LA8 and LA10 both 3.6
Killshot 5.1 with Jav8 1.1
Zephyr 4.1 with PC 4.5
Also used my arachnos during the event with RM12 and Jav4
Got the Zephyr yesterday. I only could not use it because of the events where i needed to use both Guardian and Ares. I got to 3000 coins and decided to upgrade killshot to R5 because of the extra dash damage. I could also upgrade mr8 ro R5 but i thought this was better. Jav8 is nice but still very weak.
Next steps? Unlock slot 5 so i can still use my ares?
Buy Stasis Beam 16 and Thermal Lance 4 for Guardian and move mr8s to zephyr?
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Post by GenValentine on Dec 6, 2021 8:53:50 GMT -5
Update on my hangar 101180 xp Guardian 4.6 with mr8 4.7 Panter 4.7 with LA8 and LA10 both 3.6 Killshot 5.1 with Jav8 1.1 Zephyr 4.1 with PC 4.5 Also used my arachnos during the event with RM12 and Jav4 Got the Zephyr yesterday. I only could not use it because of the events where i needed to use both Guardian and Ares. I got to 3000 coins and decided to upgrade killshot to R5 because of the extra dash damage. I could also upgrade mr8 ro R5 but i thought this was better. Jav8 is nice but still very weak. Next steps? Unlock slot 5 so i can still use my ares? Buy Stasis Beam 16 and Thermal Lance 4 for Guardian and move mr8s to zephyr? JR8s wont really be usable until it reaches at least similar level to your JR6s. Stick with JR6 for the meantime, while you wait for BPs to upgrade JR8. The only challenge is that you'd probably want to stop upgrading JR6s and that means damage output will continue to be lacking as you progress your XP. As for unlocking the 5th slot, how many mechs do you go through in a game on average? In my experience that would mean 2 or 3 at most per match. So I suggest focusing on your top 3 or 4 mechs to upgrade. Be mindful of the max EN capacity of your hangar vis-a-vis your weapon cache. It happens when a player gets too excited with new shiny toys that after purchasing they would realize it doesnt fit the puzzle of the WHOLE team load out. Not just individual mechs. Regarding the next steps, what game mode do you play mostly? CPC? Tournaments? TDM? Do you squad or solo most of the time? Depends on how you play but I would move MR8s to Zephyr as he has low health and would benefit from the burst damage for shorter LOS exposure. Guardian will fare better with the PCs anyway. I cant recommend buying the SB16 unless you really want to be a 'supporting actor' to your team. Besides, doing the Fire+Ice build means you would want to use TL6 and not waste resources on TL4s. |
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Post by reconnecting on Dec 6, 2021 13:06:18 GMT -5
I second what GenValentine said above. Mostly I just use 2 or 3 bots In a match. Zephyr with MR8s is powerful.
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Post by S1E1 on Dec 6, 2021 17:23:31 GMT -5
I also agree with GenValentine. Switch the MR8s to the Zephyr, don't bother with SB16, and use your Jav6s for now as the wait for enough blueprints to upgrade Jav8s will be a long one. However you're starting to approach the point where Jav6s get less effective except on particular maps. You're not there yet, really it happens more as your bots all get the 5 and 6 ranks and then are constantly facing the same. So I wouldn't worry too much about upgrading your Jav6s past say 4.7. Unlocking a fifth slot is nicer for CPC moreso than tournament. I think it is a personal call but probably not necessary. I'd focus on getting your bots and main weapons up into the 5s, doubling the LA10 and saving for 10-16EN weapons. |
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Post by mrhanky on Dec 8, 2021 3:11:33 GMT -5
Thx again for all the tips. I have moved the mr8s to Zephyr, this is working nice. I will keep working on my current hangar and dont invest in the 5th slot. At this moment almost 500coins so saying again for the next upgrade. I will keep using the Jav8s. For some reason they work better, quicker, then the Jav6s. At this moment they are 1.4 and have almost the same damage as my Jav6s. Mainly I play the games I need for all the challenges  . |
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