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Post by 079 on Nov 13, 2021 17:46:22 GMT -5
Title says it all, I’m asking a question that has been debated more than a few times in various threads but has not had a definitive place to be answered. I decided to pull the trigger on two of the 1000 gold event coins for $5 today, landing me my desired limited edition Murometz and Bolva, but also enough components to max a Mantis and be barely short of maxing a Monarch. So yeah, having the choice now, I cannot decide by myself. I unfortunately did not get any turrets, so I do not have any to influence my decision. So, do you prefer Monarch’s raw damage to Mantis’ healing, or the other way around? Stats for both ships are provided below for your convenience, and as always, thanks for responses in advance!  |
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Post by Eradicator1 on Nov 13, 2021 19:35:32 GMT -5
I personally like to blow bots away. But could see the use for healing and such. But taking out a god bot with the blast just feels so so good.
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Post by 7Chandrian on Nov 13, 2021 20:15:37 GMT -5
I've been switching back and forth. The Mantis is easier to use since its centered on me no worries about target selectiion. Yes blues seem to run away from the healing, but I am used to that from Tyr and Mender, but it does what it says on the box. Monarch is more likely to get me bonus honor and does a decent chunck of damage to reds.
They don't compete for resources, you get the snowflakes for the one you get the snowflakes for, so no harm in trying them both
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Post by PumpkinHead on Nov 13, 2021 21:07:40 GMT -5
I just re-acquired Mantis, and already had the purple level heal ray and used the purple level shield ray from my Monarch. Despite the percentage of misses, Laser Strike is decent but now I vote for what the game has become, longevity. Free shield and heal is quite handy these days. I highly recommend using Mantis, and having both ships maxed for the times needs shift, also a common occurrence.
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Post by Koko Bop on Nov 13, 2021 21:27:58 GMT -5
I have a maxed Monarch & find it quite underwhelming…my less-than-maxed Mantis doesn’t seem to do much besides the light show. Of course, in a game like this, *ANY* edge can make a difference (or no difference, of course), so I keep Monarch until I can max Mantis…and mostly I remember to activate it…but honestly, I pay much more attention to targeting - and even THAT can slip my mind “in the heat of battle”
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Post by 2703 on Nov 13, 2021 21:33:18 GMT -5
There were times where I could walk out of the Monarch circle with my 33km/h Revenant, so most players could avoid blasts easily.
Mantis on the other hand gives you healing and Aegis which is very useful in a 1 on 1 situation which requires you to outlast the opponent. It give 160,000 combined HP of Healing+Aegis Shield which is much better than the 80,000 damage that Monarch does. It can affect your teammates too which is handy in a team brawl. You can see most of the Youtubers use Mantis over Monarch so I would definitely recommend Mantis.
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Nov 13, 2021 23:36:38 GMT -5
I’ve been using Mantis since yesterday but I find its healing to be overrated. I want to max my Monarch so I can heal and kill as they help me out and really give Reds an edge when they use them. The freebie MS does a good job slaying Reds but I really want to max my Monarch.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Nov 13, 2021 23:56:46 GMT -5
I’ve been using Mantis since yesterday but I find its healing to be overrated. I want to max my Monarch so I can heal and kill as they help me out and really give Reds an edge when they use them. The freebie MS does a good job slaying Reds but I really want to max my Monarch. You can’t heal with Monarch, its slots are Attack and Protection; doesn’t have Support slot. |
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Nov 14, 2021 0:32:58 GMT -5
I’ve been using Mantis since yesterday but I find its healing to be overrated. I want to max my Monarch so I can heal and kill as they help me out and really give Reds an edge when they use them. The freebie MS does a good job slaying Reds but I really want to max my Monarch. You can’t heal with Monarch, its slots are Attack and Protection; doesn’t have Support slot. Still sounds like a good combo. |
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Nov 14, 2021 1:30:28 GMT -5
You can’t heal with Monarch, its slots are Attack and Protection; doesn’t have Support slot. Still sounds like a good combo. It is excellent, but in my experience it has a higher skill ceiling to use it proficiently. |
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Nov 14, 2021 2:57:09 GMT -5
They’re both good. Tbh, though I know firsthand the value of Mantis, I find I prefer Monarch for the following reasons: - It has a higher skill ceiling to use proficiently, and I relish that challenge. - You can weaken or destroy high priority targets - You can help teammates in need who are all the way across the map, possibly struggling to defend a key beacon - You can stop rascals from capturing beacons - And my favorite is that I can strike targets that are causing a lot of trouble flanking me while I fight a primary target. It may sound odd, but when I’m fighting a Revenant, Shell, and Fenrir over a beacon, lol, I regard the flanking enemies as more of a threat because they are firing constantly without any contest. I frequently ask my friend to take out some flanking Orochi while I fight the fat monsters, but when you run solo you often can’t rely on teammates, especially since you’re not able to give them directions. So why is it a higher skill ceiling to use? Mantis is simple, hit the button, if allies are near you even better, not much to think about. With Monarch, you have to exercise a lot of situational awareness, and when you do strike, it requires more tactical decision-making. Of course sometimes you just hit the button, but to do well-timed strikes that targets can’t evade, and to manipulate positioning enough to acquire a pesky flanker to strike while you’re fight three other mechs is hella tricky, but very fulfilling when you pull it off!   |
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Post by Endobot on Nov 14, 2021 7:23:19 GMT -5
I have a maxed one of each now but haven`t even tried the Monarch yet. The hardest thing nowadays seems to be staying alive for very long so I`m happy to stick with the healing and stronger shield of Mantis and take even the slightest of help from it.
Just as an aside, I just noticed that when you get enough shards to complete another Manits if you then sell it you get a lot less Ag for it than if you sell the shards before it`s complete... what a rip....!
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Post by RIP_HARAMBE on Nov 14, 2021 11:11:06 GMT -5
Still sounds like a good combo. It is excellent, but in my experience it has a higher skill ceiling to use it proficiently. Monarch is more versatile and demands / provides more situational engagement. Sorry, Mantis, but I just can't give up the little in game FU a well-timed orbital strike can give to a Red I've been dueling. |
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Post by PumpkinHead on Nov 14, 2021 12:06:05 GMT -5
It is excellent, but in my experience it has a higher skill ceiling to use it proficiently. Monarch is more versatile and demands / provides more situational engagement. Sorry, Mantis, but I just can't give up the little in game FU a well-timed orbital strike can give to a Red I've been dueling. I believe playstyle, as well as play level/spending is a factor on which ship one gravitates to. When laser strike comes my way, I react very differently when my 2.5 Fenrir is in the circle as compared with my 1.10 Orochi. Orochi hits ability, if available, and runs out fast, Fenrir could care less about it. Also, all things are different in Champs compared to Expert/M3 where I am playing. I still use unleveled Mantis vs. Max Monarch due to the value I, personally, place on that extra shield and heal. If I had 5 leveled Fenrir, I would stick with Monarch. Everything is situational and relative to play level, plus desire to spend or not. |
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Post by BB on Nov 14, 2021 13:28:24 GMT -5
There is no …better…IMO. It depends on your play style and personal preference, etc…
As a fragile pest who initiates 1v1, 1v2, 1v3 scraps at the bacon party, I value healing over dropping a load on a red on the other side of the map. I can see the tactical advantages of the Monarch, but there is no better sez me.
My take is, let the guy in the slow moving plodder in the back lines figure out what red needs to go, I’m too busy trying to get the half second jump on the reds to flip a beac. Heal me up Scotty
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Post by atlantas01 on Nov 14, 2021 13:56:48 GMT -5
I have both of them maxed for a while now, but I was only using Mantis because I believed it's better.
After lots of people got maxed out Monarchs, I started to die a lot more frequently from them, so I decided to give it a try....... man I was wrong, it's a lot more useful than Mantis, but you really NEED to know when and where to use it.
Moderator ѻﻭɼﻉ described everything perfectly.
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Post by Grumpy Tanker #Official on Nov 17, 2021 2:50:20 GMT -5
The Mantis, might give you an extra second or 2 to snag that beacon. May not score a kill, but timed well, it can add a small advantage to turn a beacon or shield to get the job done.
Mantis for me...... BTW I don't have a Monarch
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Nov 17, 2021 10:44:38 GMT -5
I just re-acquired Mantis, and already had the purple level heal ray and used the purple level shield ray from my Monarch. Despite the percentage of misses, Laser Strike is decent but now I vote for what the game has become, longevity. Free shield and heal is quite handy these days. I highly recommend using Mantis, and having both ships maxed for the times needs shift, also a common occurrence. ^^^ This guy. ^^^^ Pretty much my story as well. I got excited when my Monarch was maxed, used it, and recently I've come back to Mantis with no regrets. With Mantis I'm largely guaranteed a shield and some healing. With Monarch I can only count on shield. When my Monarch hits hard it's a nasty thing and when it doesn't "it ain't nuthin'." Lately it seems like the 'tubers are leaning towards Mantis as well... |
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Post by munkeeee on Nov 17, 2021 21:41:31 GMT -5
I’ve had maxed MS almost since they came out. Dunno if it was a glitch or what, but the ship components counted towards upgrading the ships, so I maxed them out. Guess it depends on your play style, but I’ve increased my kill count by 2-3 more almost every if not every other game with monarch. Armed with aegis blast system and laser blast canon.
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Post by 0ppressor on Nov 25, 2021 12:02:07 GMT -5
Mantis.
That doesn't mean the Monarch is crap, just not as universally good. There's literally nothing that doesn't benefit from more healing and shielding at all times. Whereas an orbital strike and minimal shielding is also helpful, but more situational.
Always > Situational.
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