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Post by nocluevok on Oct 29, 2021 8:49:17 GMT -5
Something seems a bit off about this pilot's hanger. I know you can buy a bot, but can you use it before you have enough points to unlock it? His stats are crazy, even for a PTW player.   |
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Post by reconnecting on Oct 29, 2021 9:15:15 GMT -5
It looks like a wallet warrior or Whale. Not really that unusual.
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GenValentine
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Pilot name: GenValentine
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Post by GenValentine on Oct 29, 2021 9:53:45 GMT -5
Something seems a bit off about this pilot's hanger. I know you can buy a bot, but can you use it before you have enough points to unlock it? His stats are crazy, even for a PTW player. AFAIK Thats the whole idea behind instant access sales to weapons/mechs. You get to use them right away when you purchase them. As for the stats, I'm not at all surprised. I'm seeing more and more of these types of players. You have to remember that they are bullying other players in the similar XP range. And at 40k XP, thats basically 3 star mechs/health. He can easily carry his team and win those fights. |
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Post by nocluevok on Oct 29, 2021 10:22:09 GMT -5
It looks like a wallet warrior or Whale. Not really that unusual. The clown skin was offered quite awhile ago, right? |
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Post by reconnecting on Oct 29, 2021 14:36:54 GMT -5
It looks like a wallet warrior or Whale. Not really that unusual. The clown skin was offered quite awhile ago, right? Yes, and I kinda sort of want it now.  |
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Post by dukeofadvil on Oct 29, 2021 15:57:33 GMT -5
Yes, all weapons and Mech's get offered a short whlie before they are unlocked. Ather they are unlocked if you 'Buy" them they offer a discount. Before the unlock you pay full price
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Post by reconnecting on Oct 29, 2021 16:20:02 GMT -5
Something seems a bit off about this pilot's hanger. I know you can buy a bot, but can you use it before you have enough points to unlock it? His stats are crazy, even for a PTW player. AFAIK Thats the whole idea behind instant access sales to weapons/mechs. You get to use them right away when you purchase them. As for the stats, I'm not at all surprised. I'm seeing more and more of these types of players. You have to remember that they are bullying other players in the similar XP range. And at 40k XP, thats basically 3 star mechs/health. He can easily carry his team and win those fights. But Wont he get matched with players having similar SP? Not necessarily same xp. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 29, 2021 19:51:54 GMT -5
AFAIK Thats the whole idea behind instant access sales to weapons/mechs. You get to use them right away when you purchase them. As for the stats, I'm not at all surprised. I'm seeing more and more of these types of players. You have to remember that they are bullying other players in the similar XP range. And at 40k XP, thats basically 3 star mechs/health. He can easily carry his team and win those fights. But Wont he get matched with players having similar SP? Not necessarily same xp. Nope - he’ll be matched with players with similar XP, regardless of their SP. And therein lies the major problem with the current mismatchmaker. |
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GenValentine
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Pilot name: GenValentine
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Post by GenValentine on Oct 29, 2021 22:48:59 GMT -5
But Wont he get matched with players having similar SP? Not necessarily same xp. Nope - he’ll be matched with players with similar XP, regardless of their SP. And therein lies the major problem with the current mismatchmaker. And its rather silly how clunky they're making out to be. I would imagine they would just use an algorithm that uses several variables with weights for each. XP (0.25) + SP (0.25) + Division (0.10) + AgeInDays (0.10) + DualCopyProto (0.05) + DualCopyExotic (0.03) + DualCopyRare (0.015) + etc etc Lastly, they can copy similar league ranking systems as other games where points are gained/deducted for winning/losing. This will inevitably push competitive players to the top. Downside for Plarium is that it will not please whales who enjoy chomping down on little planktons. |
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Post by reconnecting on Oct 30, 2021 15:15:22 GMT -5
So it is XP these days that determines matchmaking?
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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 30, 2021 16:32:06 GMT -5
So it is XP these days that determines matchmaking? Seems to be the case. If you report gross mismatches to support, their canned response is that matchmaking is ‘skill-based’. The only metrics in this game that come close to measuring skill are XP and your win-loss record. Two things I notice: 1, other human players on the red team usually have similar XP to me, regardless of how much stronger or weaker their hangars are. Unless it’s a squad, and then matchmaker just totally loses its mind. And 2, if I have a couple of wins, it usually isn’t long before the competition seriously stiffens up, so I wouldn’t be surprised if wins/losses play into it as well. Only observations - I have zero scientific evidence to back any of it up. |
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Post by reconnecting on Oct 30, 2021 17:26:58 GMT -5
So it is XP these days that determines matchmaking? Seems to be the case. If you report gross mismatches to support, their canned response is that matchmaking is ‘skill-based’. The only metrics in this game that come close to measuring skill are XP and your win-loss record. Two things I notice: 1, other human players on the red team usually have similar XP to me, regardless of how much stronger or weaker their hangars are. Unless it’s a squad, and then matchmaker just totally loses its mind. And 2, if I have a couple of wins, it usually isn’t long before the competition seriously stiffens up, so I wouldn’t be surprised if wins/losses play into it as well. Only observations - I have zero scientific evidence to back any of it up. Lol at 'matchmaker just totally loses its mind'. 😂 True though. I recently had a match with a clan where 4 players had over 4700 SP and the low player had over 4000. I have 3400. Smh. |
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Post by OU812? on Oct 31, 2021 8:08:48 GMT -5
So it is XP these days that determines matchmaking? Seems to be the case. If you report gross mismatches to support, their canned response is that matchmaking is ‘skill-based’. The only metrics in this game that come close to measuring skill are XP and your win-loss record. Two things I notice: 1, other human players on the red team usually have similar XP to me, regardless of how much stronger or weaker their hangars are. Unless it’s a squad, and then matchmaker just totally loses its mind. And 2, if I have a couple of wins, it usually isn’t long before the competition seriously stiffens up, so I wouldn’t be surprised if wins/losses play into it as well. Only observations - I have zero scientific evidence to back any of it up. ‘Skill-based’? Developers chucked a good part of the ‘skill-based’ out the window when they increased the EN of bots and allowed dual railgun builds. Maybe it will get better as higher EN weapons get released, but I have doubts. |
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Post by reconnecting on Oct 31, 2021 10:51:06 GMT -5
Seems to be the case. If you report gross mismatches to support, their canned response is that matchmaking is ‘skill-based’. The only metrics in this game that come close to measuring skill are XP and your win-loss record. Two things I notice: 1, other human players on the red team usually have similar XP to me, regardless of how much stronger or weaker their hangars are. Unless it’s a squad, and then matchmaker just totally loses its mind. And 2, if I have a couple of wins, it usually isn’t long before the competition seriously stiffens up, so I wouldn’t be surprised if wins/losses play into it as well. Only observations - I have zero scientific evidence to back any of it up. ‘Skill-based’? Developers chucked a good part of the ‘skill-based’ out the window when they increased the EN of bots and allowed dual railgun builds. Maybe it will get better as higher EN weapons get released, but I have doubts. I wonder if it's possible to back engineer the MA code and see how the game handles MM. Any programmers here want to try? |
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GenValentine
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Post by GenValentine on Nov 1, 2021 4:54:49 GMT -5
Nope - he’ll be matched with players with similar XP, regardless of their SP. And therein lies the major problem with the current mismatchmaker. And its rather silly how clunky they're making out to be. I would imagine they would just use an algorithm that uses several variables with weights for each. XP (0.25) + SP (0.25) + Division (0.10) + AgeInDays (0.10) + DualCopyProto (0.05) + DualCopyExotic (0.03) + DualCopyRare (0.015) + etc etc Lastly, they can copy similar league ranking systems as other games where points are gained/deducted for winning/losing. This will inevitably push competitive players to the top. Downside for Plarium is that it will not please whales who enjoy chomping down on little planktons. moving it here less OP becomes unhappy me hi-jacking his thread  no, I think XP is actually the first filter, and not part of a weighted formula (at least not initially), b/c I never face low XP high SP players (although I wished I did). I have no secret knowledge or anything, but MM probably looks for players within X difference of your XP to start, and if it can't find anyone within Y seconds, it relaxes that threshold. If we crowdsource data, we could probably get more insight into MM's formula.
That's the thing. It definitely feels like the priority filter right now but is that really any good? Putting into a weighted algorithm should smoothen things out better. The MM right now feels like using analog rules in a digital game. And I'm under the impression that MM is just not on the list of things Plarium folks talk about for things to fix/tweak. Btw, off topic but I was reading some of the responses in the forum and kind of get the feeling that total tournament points are actually lower at the top-end? At my SP 2k+, I regularly see above 10k points. Are your stats the average and what is the average points per match? Sorry for hi-jacking! |
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Post by nocluevok on Nov 1, 2021 14:25:46 GMT -5
GenValentineHad two pilots in my tournament bracket last night that were both over 27k. I took 3rd with 5k. They both had maxed gear to the point of being ridiculous. IMHO, they've taken the easy way out and left things to luck of the draw where tournament is concerned.
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