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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 29, 2021 9:43:18 GMT -5
... have been brutal for me, so far, in this tourney. Spawn raiding Red Zephyr kind of brutality. Literally a pair of Zeps just circling in the back and knocking out Blues that spawned in. I almost had to use RG builds just to win, and definitely had to use them to get MVP, over the last couple of days. Anyone else seeing that?
I don't know if it's just that my Blue AI are in the "HE MUST LOSE" phase and fold upon initial contact, or if Reds have been amped up again... but there is definitely a difference from last week.
Side Note: And I have yet to face a real player this tourney, also.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Sept 29, 2021 10:50:02 GMT -5
Last couple of days have been particularly cuss-worthy for me too in CPC. I thought it was just me, but it seems the AI has been ratcheted up yet again. Just in time for the flood of events giving out mostly nothing. These guys sure do know how to motivate their player base.
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Post by dukeofadvil on Sept 29, 2021 11:41:49 GMT -5
About 50/50 for me. I get a match where they put up a good fight, and then the next one they ride me hard and put me away wet.
If i have a deiend along I can manage most of it, but solo many of the ai are so aggressive. Ive had 3 humans/2 ai vs 5 ai and we got stomped.
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Post by BigBear on Sept 29, 2021 12:24:02 GMT -5
Today I noticed AI was taking cover,I chased a bot around a stone block,try as I might it kept avoiding my weapon fire,they have definitely adjusted AI intelligence
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 29, 2021 12:25:28 GMT -5
Cheers for confirming my misery is shared guys... 
But yeah, this is kind of rough. Will try some more out later... see if it calms down any. Was trying to find a way to run the MD with 14 energy*... so I didn't have the strongest hangar... but still... it was crazy compared to even Monday's non-Tourney play.
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Post by dukeofadvil on Sept 29, 2021 12:30:28 GMT -5
Today I noticed AI was taking cover,I chased a bot around a stone block,try as I might it kept avoiding my weapon fire,they have definitely adjusted AI intelligence Also noticed this. I actually thought a few of these were human. I have had them step behind a wall in the past, but usually they would wait. Now when you chase them behind they continue to work themselves behind cover as you advance on them. |
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Post by Koalabear on Sept 29, 2021 12:31:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I've been killed by reds that moved like a human. It was pretty brutal and awesome at the same time. Balance that with games where I fight for the centre beacon and am ganged up by 3 - 4 reds and there's not a blue in sight.
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Post by Deadeye on Sept 29, 2021 13:56:18 GMT -5
I mean...are you gonna hate me if I say I haven't noticed...? I'm probably a tournament 「bum-bum」 though. I run my dual Arc10 Zephyr and dual RG Panther on this map so I can play as little as possible.
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Post by dukeofadvil on Sept 29, 2021 14:26:28 GMT -5
I mean...are you gonna hate me if I say I haven't noticed...? I'm probably a tournament 「bum-bum」 though. I run my dual Arc10 Zephyr and dual RG Panther on this map so I can play as little as possible. BTW gg earlier |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Sept 29, 2021 14:46:04 GMT -5
Back to getting outplayed by AI every f’n game again. Even the very few I win, AI is taking all the top spots. Totally blows. This crap not only gives me no desire to spend money (I haven’t in about a year now anyway), I’m losing any desire to play at all. It’s bad enough they keep nerfing payouts, now they’re cranking up the bots so you can’t even finish well. So what’s the friggin point of it all.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 29, 2021 15:02:08 GMT -5
I mean...are you gonna hate me if I say I haven't noticed...? I'm probably a tournament 「bum-bum」 though. I run my dual Arc10 Zephyr and dual RG Panther on this map so I can play as little as possible. Part of it is I get tired of running the same thing over and over. I like switching up... always have even from Walking War Robots days. But when Blues are only on 3 and Reds are on 11, you gotta drop back into the moneymakers. The builds I like to run tend to lean more towards support... but that is impossible with all AI.
I still want bots to just go away. Give me 1 - 2 min wait times, if that is what it takes, with similar leveled real people populating both teams, and I'll be happy. I can't believe there's not enough players, even at our level. The amount of downloads and FB and Discord activity says that there should be enough people to play.
Hell, even in BoT you get more live competition.
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Post by Munki on Sept 29, 2021 15:46:56 GMT -5
I recently completed the EXP progress bar and I thought the Ai bump in skill was attributed to that. Can definitely agree that their skills have gone way up. They don't just shoot me with any amount of line of sight, but now they also take cover behind posts and will juke moves like they are about to go away from cover but instead go back. They also alternate moving into view messing with my targeting. Really hard to use Railguns at times.
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Post by S1E1 on Sept 29, 2021 20:17:55 GMT -5
OK, I just had a definite AI name (RapMeLikXMas) play completely human style on Fortune Towers. Not only that but after the first time I killed it, it flashed me an emoji! Also the first time I've seen AI in a Redox sporting double Arc10s. I was totally confused for a bit - I've seen a few human players manage to mimic AI names in-game, but afterwards it didn't show in Recommended list, so it was AI after all.
Spent most of the match hiding behind the center column, hitting opponents with the ability and popping out just to fry them. Was a real pain with some of its other bots too. Unexpected but an interesting match.
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Post by Commander Dog on Sept 30, 2021 3:20:01 GMT -5
Seeing so many Zeps atm. Had a pair in red team up on Fortune Towers, taking it in turns to emp peeps. Both AI.
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Post by dukeofadvil on Sept 30, 2021 5:54:24 GMT -5
Seeing so many Zeps atm. Had a pair in red team up on Fortune Towers, taking it in turns to emp peeps. Both AI. Zephyr twins seem to happen a lot. I have a way of handling them...After I get "Double Zeffed" and die, I grab my fastest mech and rush back where I was....and get "Double Zeffed" again. 🤔🤣 Seriously I do this way too often. ... |
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Post by Deadeye on Sept 30, 2021 7:16:55 GMT -5
I mean...are you gonna hate me if I say I haven't noticed...? I'm probably a tournament 「bum-bum」 though. I run my dual Arc10 Zephyr and dual RG Panther on this map so I can play as little as possible. Part of it is I get tired of running the same thing over and over. I like switching up... always have even from Walking War Robots days. But when Blues are only on 3 and Reds are on 11, you gotta drop back into the moneymakers. The builds I like to run tend to lean more towards support... but that is impossible with all AI.
I still want bots to just go away. Give me 1 - 2 min wait times, if that is what it takes, with similar leveled real people populating both teams, and I'll be happy. I can't believe there's not enough players, even at our level. The amount of downloads and FB and Discord activity says that there should be enough people to play.
Hell, even in BoT you get more live competition.
Agreed. I am not so sure about BoT having more competition though. We wait 15-30 seconds. Back in the day, BoT had the same and there were NEVER any hoomans. Only when they extended it to 1-2 minutes did they get more actually in a battle. I'm not sure I'm willing to wait as I usually don't have much time when I play, but at least for CPC, I'd be willing to wait more. 15 seconds isn't much to grab real players. They could at least make that 30 seconds. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 30, 2021 7:36:02 GMT -5
Seeing so many Zeps atm. Had a pair in red team up on Fortune Towers, taking it in turns to emp peeps. Both AI. A pair of AI Zeps at our spawn is what prompted this post, tbh. Took out two of my brand new mechs till I got to a Killy and managed to dash almost all the way into cover when the 2nd Zep got me, but they only shot once before reloading... which gave my Dash enough time to cooldown by the time I was unfrozen, and I got them both.
It was quite unfriendly of them.
I really started paying attention to their behavior after that... the running, the playing hide and seek, the jinking, playing ring around the column with an Ares, etc., all pointed towards a new AI setting. And I saw it in every game after that.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 30, 2021 7:39:11 GMT -5
OK, I just had a definite AI name (RapMeLikXMas) play completely human style on Fortune Towers. Not only that but after the first time I killed it, it flashed me an emoji! Also the first time I've seen AI in a Redox sporting double Arc10s. I was totally confused for a bit - I've seen a few human players manage to mimic AI names in-game, but afterwards it didn't show in Recommended list, so it was AI after all. Spent most of the match hiding behind the center column, hitting opponents with the ability and popping out just to fry them. Was a real pain with some of its other bots too. Unexpected but an interesting match. New weapon combos I haven't seen... and I especially have never seen them run Arcs... just for clarity, are you 1000% sure? I know of a whole clan that copies AI names to be trolls, the insufferable adult children that they are, and that sounds like what one of them would do.
If you are sure you are sure... not doubting your word... but I can't say I've seen anything like that, whereas we are all seeing the behavior change.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 30, 2021 8:39:59 GMT -5
Had time for one game before work this morning... and on this map I can run range (if against AI) and didn't see any of that...
Are they cranked up, still, for any of y'all that got into the scrum on this heat?
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Post by dukeofadvil on Sept 30, 2021 8:45:21 GMT -5
Seeing so many Zeps atm. Had a pair in red team up on Fortune Towers, taking it in turns to emp peeps. Both AI. A pair of AI Zeps at our spawn is what prompted this post, tbh. Took out two of my brand new mechs till I got to a Killy and managed to dash almost all the way into cover when the 2nd Zep got me, but they only shot once before reloading... which gave my Dash enough time to cooldown by the time I was unfrozen, and I got them both.
It was quite unfriendly of them.
I really started paying attention to their behavior after that... the running, the playing hide and seek, the jinking, playing ring around the column with an Ares, etc., all pointed towards a new AI setting. And I saw it in every game after that.
2 human Zeffs in the middle of a map can rule the game without firing a shot. |
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Post by Munki on Sept 30, 2021 9:57:54 GMT -5
Close range combat is pretty much dead when there is enemy Ai about. The Zephyrs and Surges are just too much since they do not work strategically. They only hunt the human. They will ignore beacons and other blue Ai shooting them in the back to try and get me. Impossible to do achievements that require killing enemy that is taking control point when they just do not do that anymore.
They also seem to have more hit points as my weapons are not hitting as hard. Dual railguns do not remove mechs from the field like they used to.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 30, 2021 10:03:18 GMT -5
Close range combat is pretty much dead when there is enemy Ai about. The Zephyrs and Surges are just too much since they do not work strategically. They only hunt the human. They will ignore beacons and other blue Ai shooting them in the back to try and get me. Impossible to do achievements that require killing enemy that is taking control point when they just do not do that anymore. They also seem to have more hit points as my weapons are not hitting as hard. Dual railguns do not remove mechs from the field like they used to.Yes to all that. That last sentence, though... I have started to really focus on what direction the enemy is facing and try to take shots on their sides and rear as much as possible. It has helped mitigate that to a large degree. Used to be that you just had to aim and shoot... poof... erased. |
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Post by S1E1 on Sept 30, 2021 12:17:33 GMT -5
OK, I just had a definite AI name (RapMeLikXMas) play completely human style on Fortune Towers. Not only that but after the first time I killed it, it flashed me an emoji! Also the first time I've seen AI in a Redox sporting double Arc10s. I was totally confused for a bit - I've seen a few human players manage to mimic AI names in-game, but afterwards it didn't show in Recommended list, so it was AI after all. Spent most of the match hiding behind the center column, hitting opponents with the ability and popping out just to fry them. Was a real pain with some of its other bots too. Unexpected but an interesting match. New weapon combos I haven't seen... and I especially have never seen them run Arcs... just for clarity, are you 1000% sure? I know of a whole clan that copies AI names to be trolls, the insufferable adult children that they are, and that sounds like what one of them would do.
If you are sure you are sure... not doubting your word... but I can't say I've seen anything like that, whereas we are all seeing the behavior change.
Honestly I am not sure. It definitely didn't show up in the Recommended list after which suggests it was AI. But especially with the emoji I had figured it was a human during the match. I have rarely seen human player names not pop up in Recommended afterwards, but only once in a blue moon, and for it to happen with a known AI name seems too much coincidence. Unless it was a full-blown hack of some sort. IDK, figured I'd post and then wait to see if other folks see similar or not. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 30, 2021 12:34:53 GMT -5
New weapon combos I haven't seen... and I especially have never seen them run Arcs... just for clarity, are you 1000% sure? I know of a whole clan that copies AI names to be trolls, the insufferable adult children that they are, and that sounds like what one of them would do.
If you are sure you are sure... not doubting your word... but I can't say I've seen anything like that, whereas we are all seeing the behavior change.
Honestly I am not sure. It definitely didn't show up in the Recommended list after which suggests it was AI. But especially with the emoji I had figured it was a human during the match. I have rarely seen human player names not pop up in Recommended afterwards, but only once in a blue moon, and for it to happen with a known AI name seems too much coincidence. Unless it was a full-blown hack of some sort. IDK, figured I'd post and then wait to see if other folks see similar or not. Hmmm... only thing I can think of is that they were already on your friends list... roll through it and see if anyone has that name if you are still curious. They may have changed it back by now... but maybe not. IF that's what happened... but yeah if they were already on it, they wouldn't show on the Rec tab. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Sept 30, 2021 12:57:46 GMT -5
Seeing so many Zeps atm. Had a pair in red team up on Fortune Towers, taking it in turns to emp peeps. Both AI. They seem to spam various mechs in cycles. One day I swear they were still doubling up on light saber Areseses, because they were everywhere all game long. Zeps with LA’s is another fave, and Shadows with TL’s or Javs. Pain in the arse all of ‘em. |
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Post by Deadeye on Sept 30, 2021 13:31:28 GMT -5
Close range combat is pretty much dead when there is enemy Ai about. The Zephyrs and Surges are just too much since they do not work strategically. They only hunt the human. They will ignore beacons and other blue Ai shooting them in the back to try and get me. Impossible to do achievements that require killing enemy that is taking control point when they just do not do that anymore. They also seem to have more hit points as my weapons are not hitting as hard. Dual railguns do not remove mechs from the field like they used to.Yes to all that. That last sentence, though... I have started to really focus on what direction the enemy is facing and try to take shots on their sides and rear as much as possible. It has helped mitigate that to a large degree. Used to be that you just had to aim and shoot... poof... erased. I'll second this. Taking off 98% of an enemy's health in a tournament match is not freakin fun. ugh |
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Post by S1E1 on Sept 30, 2021 13:59:17 GMT -5
Honestly I am not sure. It definitely didn't show up in the Recommended list after which suggests it was AI. But especially with the emoji I had figured it was a human during the match. I have rarely seen human player names not pop up in Recommended afterwards, but only once in a blue moon, and for it to happen with a known AI name seems too much coincidence. Unless it was a full-blown hack of some sort. IDK, figured I'd post and then wait to see if other folks see similar or not. Hmmm... only thing I can think of is that they were already on your friends list... roll through it and see if anyone has that name if you are still curious. They may have changed it back by now... but maybe not. IF that's what happened... but yeah if they were already on it, they wouldn't show on the Rec tab. Oops, yup there they were. Ah well, mystery solved. The AI hasn't gotten that good... yet...   |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 1, 2021 7:37:13 GMT -5
Hmmm... only thing I can think of is that they were already on your friends list... roll through it and see if anyone has that name if you are still curious. They may have changed it back by now... but maybe not. IF that's what happened... but yeah if they were already on it, they wouldn't show on the Rec tab. Oops, yup there they were. Ah well, mystery solved. The AI hasn't gotten that good... yet... ... and he would have gotten away with it, too... if it wasn't for us meddling kids! |
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Post by Old-Cat on Oct 1, 2021 8:25:36 GMT -5
I ran into him last night. He confused the fool out of me the first round. I went on to squeak out a win. What a chump.
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Post by punishingcossack on Oct 1, 2021 12:47:24 GMT -5
I ran into him last night. He confused the fool out of me the first round. I went on to squeak out a win. What a chump. is that a VOID player? |
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