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Post by Adazahi on May 4, 2021 7:39:00 GMT -5
This is really, really bad. If you don't want to watch the video - heres the gist. Essentially, I found that oddly, in youtube videos, youtubers would open chests and happened to get the same few items.
It appears that the "F2P guaranteed good item" you get after only a few pulls is rigged to be the worst "gold" items in the chests.
In order to get an actual chance at the Orochi or Demeter in the 200 chest, for example, you're going to have to make your way all the way up to 18 pulls to get the actual gold item, which is impossible without $$$.
This is the same for 100 and 300 chest, so essentially, if you grind tokens to get the "gold" items in the chests as f2p, you should expect:
100 chest - Linda Cano 200 chest - Stellar Hornet / Sheriff Magnetar 300 chest - T4 Drone
If you see different results than me, please do comment, I'm interested to see if this only happens to some players, or if it was just by chance every video I saw and my own experience showed the same 3 card and never gave out an Orochi.
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Post by Poopface on May 4, 2021 7:44:51 GMT -5
This is the same for 100 and 300 chest, so essentially, if you grind tokens to get the "gold" items in the chests as f2p, you should expect: 100 chest - Linda Cano 200 chest - Stellar Hornet / Sheriff Magnetar 300 chest - T4 Drone It's consistent with my findings. I got a Hornet (my third) from my 200 chest.
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Post by Jeb on May 4, 2021 8:00:11 GMT -5
I got Linda Cano from the 100 as well. The T4 drone from the 300 chest isn't a surprise, they tell you that it'll be one of the four.
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Post by Adazahi on May 4, 2021 8:06:54 GMT -5
I got Linda Cano from the 100 as well. The T4 drone from the 300 chest isn't a surprise, they tell you that it'll be one of the four. The 300 chest should also include the fire tulumbases in their loot pool
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Post by Browncoats4ever on May 4, 2021 8:14:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I got the Sheriff Magnetar...but I ain't mad.
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Post by Loganspawn on May 4, 2021 8:18:00 GMT -5
PSA
EVERYTHING in War Robots is rigged. The matches the winnings EVERYTHING.
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Post by ✯ WARDADDY ✯ on May 4, 2021 12:36:23 GMT -5
First off, my drops are consistent with your findings .. and have been for a very long time. As such I never grind for these and will only push a little more than usual if I care about the worst gold item.
That said, the drop rate for hot items has always been incredibly low. It's expected to spend around 300 (in my currency) on tokens to get it, either through sharts or the actual item. And didn't the Spectre cost 300 straight up back in the day? I didn't pay too much attention to prices back then. Seems like their "prices" haven't changed over the years, just the method of delivery has. That and you get a bunch of free swag along the way in the box openings.
So that "guaranteed after 50" seems like it's always been there, just not visible to us. There's still a chance that you'll trigger the odds in your favor and get the item before you pull the 50. So I guess I'd say I don't think this is a recent nerf to F2P'ers.
I appreciate now that they're being transparent about it. I wonder if they need to for legal reason.
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Post by milty72 on May 4, 2021 15:06:55 GMT -5
I got Linda Cano from the 100 as well. The T4 drone from the 300 chest isn't a surprise, they tell you that it'll be one of the four. Yep, I got Linda as well. I'll be happy with either of the two worst Gold items in the 200.
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Post by milty72 on May 4, 2021 15:08:11 GMT -5
It is what it is and hence I not pay Pix.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on May 4, 2021 16:11:30 GMT -5
I got Linda but surprisingly needed her anyway because of the complete shock of winning the dread shell bot from the last "event".
So results are typical with almost always the lowest prizes given but every now and then, you get a "win" to keep you motivated and in the never ending levelling up cycle.
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Post by Poopface on May 4, 2021 16:22:47 GMT -5
the complete shock of winning the dread shell bot from the last "event". Looks like a fantastic Zenit/Nori platform to me.
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Post by Garbage game on May 4, 2021 16:34:31 GMT -5
This is really, really bad. If you don't want to watch the video - heres the gist. Essentially, I found that oddly, in youtube videos, youtubers would open chests and happened to get the same few items. It appears that the "F2P guaranteed good item" you get after only a few pulls is rigged to be the worst "gold" items in the chests. In order to get an actual chance at the Orochi or Demeter in the 200 chest, for example, you're going to have to make your way all the way up to 18 pulls to get the actual gold item, which is impossible without $$$. This is the same for 100 and 300 chest, so essentially, if you grind tokens to get the "gold" items in the chests as f2p, you should expect: 100 chest - Linda Cano 200 chest - Stellar Hornet / Sheriff Magnetar 300 chest - T4 Drone If you see different results than me, please do comment, I'm interested to see if this only happens to some players, or if it was just by chance every video I saw and my own experience showed the same 3 card and never gave out an Orochi. They’re getting back at F2P as a whole after that one time their system bugged and gave me 5000 coins during the Hawk event 😹
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 18:09:02 GMT -5
Can anyone explain to me why a business should give out top shelf freebies to those who do not line their pockets?
F2P does not entitle them to that, imo. If they get lucky, so be it.....but, the folks who are dumb enough to keep the lights on have my blessings to the goodies!
With the buy/play/nerf/nerf/nerf cycle, who really cares?
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Post by 7Chandrian on May 4, 2021 19:03:01 GMT -5
Nebula from my 300 "Special," at least it wasn't another Glider (useless if you don't use Phase 「dookie」.)
Probably gonna save my coins till the end of the event, nothing I want in the 100 chests, I guess I could use another hornet but the 200s aren't much better.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 4:35:16 GMT -5
I find that I get garbage special prizes from the lower two chests, period.
I stopped going for them a few events ago. Since then I only go for the highest chests and always seem to get decent prizes like ox minos, 4 squalls a grom and stuff like that. It was a long hard grind because the minos finally came after the 4th squall which was useless to me at the time because of my maxed kid. All F2P so this took a while but I got it and am satisfied.
This is my second go around because I sold my first account. I noticed the prizes you win are weak when you are in leagues from expert and lower. It feels like you get all the best stuff right off the bat from those chests when you are in champs and mid to high champs. Climbing this time during events made this pretty clear to me.
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Post by Pilot #RG# on May 5, 2021 5:01:42 GMT -5
Can anyone explain to me why a business should give out top shelf freebies to those who do not line their pockets? F2P does not entitle them to that, imo. If they get lucky, so be it.....but, the folks who are dumb enough to keep the lights on have my blessings to the goodies! With the buy/play/nerf/nerf/nerf cycle, who really cares? None gonna complain if they fix a specific price for new bot for a particular time period. But making it all look like a roulette and blaming us all as “unlucky people” in customer chat is condemnable. Pity that even after spending hard earned money players have to hope on their luck to obtain their needed items....
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on May 5, 2021 7:47:44 GMT -5
Got Linda too. She gets to drive my Hades with one skill (got blue Destroyer on the random roll) and if she complains about it I have a nice L9 Destrier.
Will see if I can't snag the Magnetar so I have 2 but won't bother with the 300 chest as I don't use drones.
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Post by vonpaulus on May 5, 2021 8:20:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I got the Sheriff Magnetar...but I ain't mad. Considering the Magnetar hits like a Pulsar at one level lower (i.e. a 1.9 Magnetar is as powerful as a 1.8 Pulsar) , I certainly didn’t complain when I pulled mine. In fact I am aiming for as many Magnetars as I can get my paws onto.
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Post by titando on May 5, 2021 8:31:00 GMT -5
I have 2 Linda Cano (Shell) pilots. Some Shell paint. But still no Shell. LOL!
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Post by titando on May 5, 2021 9:24:16 GMT -5
Oh... almost forgot. Same story with Hawk. 2 Kyle Rogers, some paint, still no Hawk. It's a trend! At least we can build Hawk in the workshop now.
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Post by games on May 5, 2021 9:34:26 GMT -5
I feel like the players should form a players union to demand certain changes in the landscape.
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Post by Alphabet Soup on May 5, 2021 14:22:38 GMT -5
Its Pix. You expect anything different...
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Post by ✯ WARDADDY ✯ on May 5, 2021 16:37:15 GMT -5
You know what's actually driving me nuts about the chest rewards right now isn't that I can't score the hot gear, it's that I'm not scoring the green crack! I need that 「dookie」 and I'm not getting it! Been like 3 events now and I've only pulled few thousand. I used to get loads of it.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on May 5, 2021 19:37:50 GMT -5
You know what's actually driving me nuts about the chest rewards right now isn't that I can't score the hot gear, it's that I'm not scoring the green crack! I need that 「dookie」 and I'm not getting it! Been like 3 events now and I've only pulled few thousand. I used to get loads of it. My take is that I hope they finally start limiting (not removing) the free crack. So many players just prolong the inevitable or avoid being killed by double phase shifting or super healing. If the crack was harder to obtain I'm guessing it will lead to more tactical use of the crack rather than just spam the button at every opportunity. You see it in so many youtuber videos where they literally hit the crack button before every engagement or "just jump against this wall to get the extra damage bonus".....
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Post by Pilot #RG# on May 5, 2021 19:59:46 GMT -5
You know what's actually driving me nuts about the chest rewards right now isn't that I can't score the hot gear, it's that I'm not scoring the green crack! I need that 「dookie」 and I'm not getting it! Been like 3 events now and I've only pulled few thousand. I used to get loads of it. My take is that I hope they finally start limiting (not removing) the free crack. So many players just prolong the inevitable or avoid being killed by double phase shifting or super healing. If the crack was harder to obtain I'm guessing it will lead to more tactical use of the crack rather than just spam the button at every opportunity. You see it in so many youtuber videos where they literally hit the crack button before every engagement or "just jump against this wall to get the extra damage bonus"..... Those people buy them. Limiting them won’t really affect those players but only us. Especially the players who aren’t interested in spending but in master 1 and champs.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 20:16:46 GMT -5
You know what's actually driving me nuts about the chest rewards right now isn't that I can't score the hot gear, it's that I'm not scoring the green crack! I need that 「dookie」 and I'm not getting it! Been like 3 events now and I've only pulled few thousand. I used to get loads of it. Despite the negative attitude of those who refuse to spend, or unable....., 3 bucks get 6,000 PC every 2 or 3 days, with option to buy twice.....for me, maybe 9 bucks a month feeds my Fen and need to jump, and it is a good deal anyways.
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Post by slugpug on May 5, 2021 20:28:46 GMT -5
How do people not have a surplus of the green blow? I’m 99% FTP and still have over a 130,000k stack of the stuff, no matter how much I hit the button it never seems to go away.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on May 5, 2021 22:21:41 GMT -5
How do people not have a surplus of the green blow? I’m 99% FTP and still have over a 130,000k stack of the stuff, no matter how much I hit the button it never seems to go away. Same, I'm a no spender yet my stash climbs (albeit a bit slower these days) to 260k. I've lost count of the missed kills from average players (not whales) that used green crack to escape death, or the ones that had like 1k health left but still persist in using phase shift, or the ones that use phase shift with 5 seconds left on the game clock, or the ones that phase shift when their team is clearly winning and dominating a match...... you get the idea!
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Post by Flaminius on May 6, 2021 3:19:39 GMT -5
Can anyone explain to me why a business should give out top shelf freebies to those who do not line their pockets? F2P does not entitle them to that, imo. If they get lucky, so be it.....but, the folks who are dumb enough to keep the lights on have my blessings to the goodies! With the buy/play/nerf/nerf/nerf cycle, who really cares? I think that I can, or, at least I'll try. In their infinite wisdom, they have set out the events like a lottery, handing tickets out for "Free" (more on this later), with more tickets available for those who pay. Somebody who doesn't spend time on these forums, but is acquainted with lotteries, will have a reasonable expectation that the 'lottery' is random. The moment that you undermine the principle of chance in a game of chance *for anybody*, you undermine the whole thing. By all means have a lottery for free where you can win a Griffin and a limited edition Tulumbas, with another paid for one that grants decent gear, but this isn't that. There is also a habit forming aspect to this. If a fancy thing falls out of the lottery for a new player, they might be encouraged to pay for some tickets the next time, innocently (remember that most players don't come here), for a bent game. That's illegal where I live, I imagine that it is in most places, it's certainly dishonest anywhere. This has been done to death, but are rewards for participation really free? I have always seen it as more of a reward for playing and consuming adverts, big spenders won't pay if there is nobody to shoot at. If they didn't want plenty of free players swelling the numbers, they would charge an entry free. Meh, this is why I don't play any more, so I don't have any skin in the game. Good 'luck' to all!
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Post by ✯ WARDADDY ✯ on May 6, 2021 12:38:27 GMT -5
You know what's actually driving me nuts about the chest rewards right now isn't that I can't score the hot gear, it's that I'm not scoring the green crack! I need that 「dookie」 and I'm not getting it! Been like 3 events now and I've only pulled few thousand. I used to get loads of it. Despite the negative attitude of those who refuse to spend, or unable....., 3 bucks get 6,000 PC every 2 or 3 days, with option to buy twice.....for me, maybe 9 bucks a month feeds my Fen and need to jump, and it is a good deal anyways. Oh it's really just habitual at this point. If my supply dries up then I'll adapt .. just like how I don't run drones or don't bother upgrading pilots much (used to be a drug). And it's not that I've got a negative attitude towards spending. I know that's a hot button issue between F2P and P2P. I don't care who spends. It's more that I've payed more than enough comparatively to other types of entertainment and just don't get the value from it anymore. It's feels like I'm paying 100 bucks for a hit of helium.
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