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Post by cat on toilet on Mar 14, 2021 5:59:48 GMT -5
I know the Zeus will never be meta anymore but seeing as it got a decent 15% buff to damage in version 6.8, I wonder what your thoughts on the Zeus are?
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Post by milty72 on Mar 14, 2021 6:09:47 GMT -5
I've hardly run that style of weapon. I did run a Zeus/Ion Fenrir for a bit that i found kinda fun.
Goons pretty much sent Zeus weapons to the poorer player.
On saying that I do have plans of running that Zeus and Ions in the future.
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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Mar 14, 2021 6:22:43 GMT -5
15% kinda sounds good, but imo, zeus is a relic of a long gone more tactical and slower paced game and simply doesn't fit into an environment with millions of hp robots where insta kill setups are pretty much everywhere. Which is a shame, because zeus is such a cool gun.
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Post by Fainty Dragon on Mar 14, 2021 6:29:36 GMT -5
Dragoon is the Zeus of today. But IMO they do similar DPS after the buff.
The problem with Zeus is twofold:
* You won't get that many opportunities to hit, so you need to pack some serious damage - think triple zeus fury.
* Everyone will be out for your blood the minute they see you. They know you won't do a thing to them in close range and they hate that lightning landing on them.
You'd have to get a really good team of randoms skilled in scorpion fishing. That limits you to TDM, in other games everyone will be busy with beacons.
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Mar 14, 2021 6:33:40 GMT -5
Used to be my favorite Heavy. Ran a Zeus Raijin back in the day. If memory serves, you need a solid platform in order to give you time to deal adequate damage to your enemy. milty72 is right about Dragoon. They'll probably serve you well into Expert League. I'd give them a try. They are a lot of fun. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 7:00:29 GMT -5
Zeus is good MR as it hits full power in one burst, unlike calamity......My FU hangar has a Zeus/Scorge jumping Lance, very fun bot at lower levels.
Big leaguers don’t use those weapons anymore, so FU only weapon...but, I do like it myself.
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Post by 7Chandrian on Mar 14, 2021 7:31:31 GMT -5
Used to be my favorite Heavy. Ran a Zeus Raijin back in the day. If memory serves, you need a solid platform in order to give you time to deal adequate damage to your enemy. milty72 is right about Dragoon. They'll probably serve you well into Expert League. I'd give them a try. They are a lot of fun. Got my first million with zeus raijin on Yama long ago when the earth was young so it has a special place in my heart. Never could get used to the lack of mobility though. Zeus Carnage...now we're talking my language. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 8:23:35 GMT -5
Used to be my favorite Heavy. Ran a Zeus Raijin back in the day. If memory serves, you need a solid platform in order to give you time to deal adequate damage to your enemy. milty72 is right about Dragoon. They'll probably serve you well into Expert League. I'd give them a try. They are a lot of fun. Got my first million with zeus raijin on Yama long ago when the earth was young so it has a special place in my heart. Never could get used to the lack of mobility though. Zeus Carnage...now we're talking my language. Ever try a Zeus Falcon? Or Behemoth? |
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Post by santaclaus on Mar 14, 2021 9:18:11 GMT -5
I've hardly run that style of weapon. I did run a Zeus/Ion Fenrir for a bit that i found kinda fun. Goons pretty much sent Zeus weapons to the poorer player. On saying that I do have plans of running that Zeus and Ions in the future. I found the opposite helped me. Sometimes with lag or my own ineptitude I don't make half my shots so the Zeus is good that way. I'm keeping the dragoons just for their lunar celestial luck at the moment. Also it's beautifully overcast here, I hope you are enjoying the day. (I'm not being sarcastic) |
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Post by Jeb on Mar 14, 2021 9:32:06 GMT -5
I got pasted by a Zeus Fury on Valley yesterday. He caught me (from near his spawnpoint!) in the air in my Raven as I was heading to a beacon, and then hit me with a second charge when I was on the ground waiting for it to change. Might have been running lockdown too, I'm not positive, but I didn't even realize what hit me until I dropped my second bot and saw him.
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Post by heavypiece on Mar 14, 2021 9:50:50 GMT -5
I won a Zeus and leveled it up while it was on my Boa. It was a good ambush weapon for killing bots that were low on HP.
Not at all good for in your face action.
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Post by 7Chandrian on Mar 14, 2021 10:09:44 GMT -5
Got my first million with zeus raijin on Yama long ago when the earth was young so it has a special place in my heart. Never could get used to the lack of mobility though. Zeus Carnage...now we're talking my language. Ever try a Zeus Falcon? Or Behemoth? Alas, silver shortage means my only Zeuses (Zeusi?) are 6pack ready. Dragoon Falcon is pretty fun, though French Mings eat it alive. |
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Mar 14, 2021 23:38:52 GMT -5
Zeus is good MR as it hits full power in one burst, unlike calamity......My FU hangar has a Zeus/Scorge jumping Lance, very fun bot at lower levels. Big leaguers don’t use those weapons anymore, so FU only weapon...but, I do like it myself. What I like about the Zeus is the sound and the animation, that's about it. Problem is that it doesn't give the full damage at once, it takes it's full animation to deliver full damage so a lot of the time the enemy gets to cover before all the damage can hit. |
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Post by babypoppy on Mar 15, 2021 6:04:54 GMT -5
Just how is Zeus going to protect you from boombox Scorpion?
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Mar 15, 2021 7:21:42 GMT -5
So we're throwing every weapon away that has no CQC value now?
In 6 Pack, the Zeus has the edge on the Trident now and is seriously powerful. I don't think it's OP and needing limitations yet but it's really close to that line. The meta is still adjusting to the Zeus buff and to Rhinos being more than situationally useful. It's a good time to play 6 Pack!
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Post by 7Chandrian on Mar 15, 2021 7:50:41 GMT -5
So we're throwing every weapon away that has no CQC value now? In 6 Pack, the Zeus has the edge on the Trident now and is seriously powerful. I don't think it's OP and needing limitations yet but it's really close to that line. The meta is still adjusting to the Zeus buff and to Rhinos being more than situationally useful. It's a good time to play 6 Pack! This probably isn't the place for it, but I just got to 4kAu, and am trying decide between Rhino and Carnage for 6pack. I ran and liked both at 9+ back in the day. Current hangar:  Rhino's mechanic is annoying, there are still plenty of RDBs, and people are still figuring out the level 8 orkans, but I think it's faster over the ground and much better vs plasma. I like Carnage's mechanic better, Zeus got buffed, and I already have plenty of physical shields, but zeus got buffed, and all the punishers eat up anciles pretty quick. What do you think? I'll probably have buyers remorse either way, but I'm going to try to have one or the other ready for next weekend |
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Post by Koalabear on Mar 15, 2021 7:59:27 GMT -5
I think it can do well on the Falcon as you get 2 shots out of them on the wings during Fangs Out. Put something sustainable on the centre mount and you have a decent MR build. The advantage over the Dragoon in this build is that you if you're already locked on, you don't have to keep aiming at your target while you engage in evasive moves and/or jump.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Mar 15, 2021 8:31:56 GMT -5
So we're throwing every weapon away that has no CQC value now? In 6 Pack, the Zeus has the edge on the Trident now and is seriously powerful. I don't think it's OP and needing limitations yet but it's really close to that line. The meta is still adjusting to the Zeus buff and to Rhinos being more than situationally useful. It's a good time to play 6 Pack! This probably isn't the place for it, but I just got to 4kAu, and am trying decide between Rhino and Carnage for 6pack. I ran and liked both at 9+ back in the day. Current hangar: Rhino's mechanic is annoying, there are still plenty of RDBs, and people are still figuring out the level 8 orkans, but I think it's faster over the ground and much better vs plasma. I like Carnage's mechanic better, Zeus got buffed, and I already have plenty of physical shields, but zeus got buffed, and all the punishers eat up anciles pretty quick. What do you think? I'll probably have buyers remorse either way, but I'm going to try to have one or the other ready for next weekend Your guys meta is different from iOS due to allowing L8 Orkans (Why??? lol) and the ban on Trident and Ancile (also why??? hee hee) but from what I've seen there is still a lot of plasma being packed simply because the Taran is a beast, shields or no shields. I like the hangar, it's legit. I think the question to ask is whether you're looking to replace one of the Gallys (go Rhino) or maybe the Leo (go Carnage)? For me I would go with Rhino. The Rhino only costs 3k vs the Carney's 4k. The speed buff also means the Rhino walks at the same speed as the Leo. Also bear in mind that the Rhino might have gotten a silent buff as it seems to rotate quicker now. That lets you change direction and engage enemies quicker. OTOH the Carnage can be used easily for knifing OR support. something the Rhino is less good at as the Griffin's jump gives it the edge in a support (RDB or Molot) role in my eyes. If you have the second Zeus already, hmmmm. Last point, last question. Do you feel you're lacking in CQC capability or having enough support firepower. Because although the Rhino dies to rockets it still takes a lot more of them than the Galahad. And while the hybrid ZeMag Leo is a great swiss army knife build, out beyond 350m you are a slower, sturdier Zeus Shutze. Hope this helps! Love talking 6 Pack! |
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Post by 7Chandrian on Mar 15, 2021 9:21:30 GMT -5
Your guys meta is different from iOS due to allowing L8 Orkans (Why??? lol) and the ban on Trident and Ancile (also why??? hee hee) but from what I've seen there is still a lot of plasma being packed simply because the Taran is a beast, shields or no shields. I like the hangar, it's legit. I think the question to ask is whether you're looking to replace one of the Gallys (go Rhino) or maybe the Leo (go Carnage)? For me I would go with Rhino. The Rhino only costs 3k vs the Carney's 4k. The speed buff also means the Rhino walks at the same speed as the Leo. Also bear in mind that the Rhino might have gotten a silent buff as it seems to rotate quicker now. That lets you change direction and engage enemies quicker. OTOH the Carnage can be used easily for knifing OR support. something the Rhino is less good at as the Griffin's jump gives it the edge in a support (RDB or Molot) role in my eyes. If you have the second Zeus already, hmmmm. Last point, last question. Do you feel you're lacking in CQC capability or having enough support firepower. Because although the Rhino dies to rockets it still takes a lot more of them than the Galahad. And while the hybrid ZeMag Leo is a great swiss army knife build, out beyond 350m you are a slower, sturdier Zeus Shutze. Hope this helps! Love talking 6 Pack! Arrrgh, you're just making it worse  . I don't really have a use for the gold so price is no object. Anciles and I think tridents are still ok in fight night, I was running a pothead leo for a while, but tarans were a problem and I like having the extra juice from the Zeus and giving the griffins a tickle when they jump carelessly. Agree 100% re: Orkan and I'm keeping mine at 6 since I suspect it will be rolled back to much sturm and drang. But they are out there for the moment. Rhino would probably get the tarans and replace a galahad giving Rog orkans, or replace Rog as an opener. Carnage would get the Zeuses or thunders and replace Leo or maybe tridents for RDB and switch griffin to something more brawly. I think, having said price is no object, I'll probably go Carnage since I can get back to 3k sooner and have both, don't have to decide for another 36hours when the upgrade queue clears. Thanks, and more 6pack! |
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Post by Loganspawn on Mar 15, 2021 11:56:51 GMT -5
If it floats your boat go for it.
My issue with them and allot of range weapons is not enough damage output and the reds can get to you really fast nowadays.
Way back when most bots were so slow you could use low damage DPS weapons and come out on top if played well, now not so much IMO.
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Post by slugpug on Mar 15, 2021 13:04:09 GMT -5
Fun for a couple 100k zaps, but that’s all your gonna get nowadays before you get turned into streetmeat.  |
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Post by santaclaus on Mar 15, 2021 13:16:03 GMT -5
My thoughts on Zeus is that he's kind of a ducking weirdo. I mean, he has inappropriate relations with a lady as a goose or swan or something, as well as other animals... And even as a pee(look it up I dare you)
Hes a bad dad .
He tells his kids not to do all the stuff he does all the time.
He's not certified as an electrician yet he tosses lighting around I've it's for jokes...
「whiskey tango foxtrot」 Zeus.
How did Greeks get their history so wrong? Zeus is the bad guy. Poor Hades, and Ares getting all this flak in the media as bad guys. So sad.
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Post by 7Chandrian on Mar 15, 2021 18:50:25 GMT -5
My thoughts on Zeus is that he's kind of a ducking weirdo. I mean, he has inappropriate relations with a lady as a goose or swan or something, as well as other animals... And even as a pee(look it up I dare you) Hes a bad dad . He tells his kids not to do all the stuff he does all the time. He's not certified as an electrician yet he tosses lighting around I've it's for jokes... ãwhiskey tango foxtrotã Zeus. How did Greeks get their history so wrong? Zeus is the bad guy. Poor Hades, and Ares getting all this flak in the media as bad guys. So sad. I'm with you on Zeus and Hades, but Ares doesn't get a bad enough rap. Stephenson said it best: Letâs just say that Ares is a complete 「bum-bum hole」. His personal aides are Fear and Terror and sometimes Strife. He is constantly at odds with Athena even thoughâmaybe because âthey are nominally the god and goddess of the same thingâwar. Heracles, who is one of Athenaâs human proteges, physically wounds Ares on two occasions, and even strips him of his weapons at one point! You see the fascinating thing about Ares is that heâs completely incompetent. Heâs chained up by a couple of giants and imprisoned in a bronze vessel for thirteen months. Heâs wounded by one of Odysseusâs drinking buddies during the Iliad. Athena knocks him out with a rock at one point. When heâs not making a complete idiot of himself in battle, heâs screwing every human female he can get his hands on, andâget thisâhis sons are all what we would today call serial killers. And so it seems very clear to me that Ares really was a god of war as such an entity would be recognized by people who were involved in wars all the time, and had a really clear idea of just how stupid and ugly wars are. Gimme Athena's metis any day |
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Post by Thunderkiss on Mar 15, 2021 19:30:04 GMT -5
Decent in like gold or less, TDM. Don't level it up past 8 tho, not worth the resources spent. And don't buy it on purpose. If you win it, sure. Otherwise, save your gold. End game? Seriously past its prime. If you are using it past like diamond then your doing it wrong, you should have already made something better by then. Or you're really 「fluffernutter」ing lazy, which I can appreciate. But seriously, make something better  |
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Post by Joopiter on Mar 16, 2021 5:30:53 GMT -5
Adrian did a good "Zeus got buffed" video recently. Looked like fun. I miss the Zeus carnage. I remember a Zeus carny crushing our whole team back probably 4yrs ago. I made it my goal in life to build one after that.
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Post by milty72 on Mar 16, 2021 6:04:25 GMT -5
I gave this a shot. L8 Zeus, L7 Lil Goons  Looks awesome and totally 「fluffernutter」ing rocks. I'm also an electrician santaclaus and know what I'm doin'. |
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Post by Daniela1 on Mar 17, 2021 1:22:57 GMT -5
I gave this a shot. L8 Zeus, L7 Lil Goons Looks awesome and totally 「fluffernutter」ing rocks. I'm also an electrician santaclaus and know what I'm doin'. I wonder how Marquesses and Zeus pairs. Looks awesome though. |
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Post by milty72 on Mar 17, 2021 2:09:31 GMT -5
I gave this a shot. L8 Zeus, L7 Lil Goons Looks awesome and totally 「fluffernutter」ing rocks. I'm also an electrician santaclaus and know what I'm doin'. I wonder how Marquesses and Zeus pairs. Looks awesome though. Pairs up nicely. Same distance and keep hitting whilst the Zeus charge up. I'm trialling Arbalests at the moment just to see. Give myself some distance hits. Trial two L10 Arbs now I have two of them. I'm L10ing those Zeus' now I'm digging them. |
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Post by Daniela1 on Mar 17, 2021 8:04:53 GMT -5
A comparison between Zeus and Dragoon
Zeus is a lock on weapon, which means it will never miss it's target unless the target is behind cover but it will need 3 seconds to lock on to the target. Dragoon can miss but it can be fired anytime.
A 2.12 Zeus after the buff will deal 22680 damage per burst. A 2.12 Dragoon deals 11036 damage per plasmoid. A single Zeus burst has about the same power as two Dragoon plasmoids. But a Dragoon can fire 5 times, dealing 55180 damage over a period of 5 seconds. But after Dragoon's clip has run out both Zeus and Dragoon has relatively the same amount of sustained DPS.
Usage comparison
For a hit and run sniper build with only a small window of opportunity, Zeus is superior over Dragoon. It has high burst damage over a very short time allowing Zeus sniper builds to immediately get back to cover after firing. Dragoon on the other hand is more suited to a stand and deliver play style, it deals far more damage than Zeus but needs to expose the bot out of cover for relatively long periods to use it to its fullest potential.
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Post by lit800m109 on Nov 23, 2021 13:08:42 GMT -5
Generally Zeus can perform in not so bad way but he need to be supported by some light weapons with high DMG capabilities. Zeus with magnetars or snares can be not bad midrange combo But You must be sure to keep your distance since in CQC you have no chance.
But personally I like Zeus a lot. If You to then use it and don't care the rest. Put it on Hawk ,Behemoth or even Hades and You will have fun with it.
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