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Post by vonpaulus on Feb 23, 2021 2:02:02 GMT -5
Since Pix have put the report button in place I have encountered much fewer examples of blatant tanking. It’s getting quite rare to get a pkayers with zeros at the end of a match. Also I’m seeing fewer expert/masters level hangers running 2.12 bots with max leveled current meta gear.
I’ve been happy to push the report button, but I am doing it far less than I expected. For example in January I had a run of 6 consecutive matches with a 0-0-0-0 pilot in the game (5 of them blue which is why it stuck in my memory). Since the report buttn came in I haven’t had any back to back matches with a 0-0-0-0 pilots.
Tanking is stil happening, but it’s more in the way of not capping beacons than just hiding/bailing out for a whole match.
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Post by leech2 on Feb 23, 2021 2:08:58 GMT -5
Since Pix have put the report button in place I have encountered much fewer examples of blatant tanking. It’s getting quite rare to get a pkayers with zeros at the end of a match. Also I’m seeing fewer expert/masters level hangers running 2.12 bots with max leveled current meta gear. I’ve been happy to push the report button, but I am doing it far less than I expected. For example in January I had a run of 6 consecutive matches with a 0-0-0-0 pilot in the game (5 of them blue which is why it stuck in my memory). Since the report buttn came in I haven’t had any back to back matches with a 0-0-0-0 pilots. Tanking is stil happening, but it’s more in the way of not capping beacons than just hiding/bailing out for a whole match. Yes is true. BUT I doubt that its a very strict thing. They probably just get banned for a day and then go back to doing their thing (the tankers). |
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Post by vonpaulus on Feb 23, 2021 3:47:26 GMT -5
Since Pix have put the report button in place I have encountered much fewer examples of blatant tanking. It’s getting quite rare to get a pkayers with zeros at the end of a match. Also I’m seeing fewer expert/masters level hangers running 2.12 bots with max leveled current meta gear. I’ve been happy to push the report button, but I am doing it far less than I expected. For example in January I had a run of 6 consecutive matches with a 0-0-0-0 pilot in the game (5 of them blue which is why it stuck in my memory). Since the report buttn came in I haven’t had any back to back matches with a 0-0-0-0 pilots. Tanking is stil happening, but it’s more in the way of not capping beacons than just hiding/bailing out for a whole match. Yes is true. BUT I doubt that its a very strict thing. They probably just get banned for a day and then go back to doing their thing (the tankers). Not saying tanking has been eliminated. Just that the most blatant forms that really hurt your teammates seem to be in remission. Maybe it’s simply the fact you can be reported that’s cchanging behaviour. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 6:49:09 GMT -5
too early to tell.
everything in war robots is like this. change anything make things look different until dust settle.
week or two pass then see what the grumbling is then.
that is when you know.
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Feb 23, 2021 7:18:57 GMT -5
Lol. The tankers not playing at all were the stupid ones. There are expert death squads now. The tanking is gone to happen regardless. Losing is turning into it's own skill level.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 23, 2021 8:09:50 GMT -5
Lol. The tankers not playing at all were the stupid ones. There are expert death squads now. The tanking is gone to happen regardless. Losing is turning into it's own skill level. Yup, I still see lots of hangars w 10k+ wins, thousands of cups, Mk2 current meta and maxed Titans rockin it in M2 and below. It is definitely a “skill” to maintain 50% win rate and stay out of Champions League. I give benefit of the doubt when it’s yesterday’s meta and mid-level Titan. But if you have 150x25 Titan and a Mk2 Shell, etc. in your hangar, you had better be in Champions League. |
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Post by spectre729 on Feb 23, 2021 8:30:18 GMT -5
if they cant tank in champions, they'll just tank in private/bronze league with the newies when they create a new account
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Feb 23, 2021 8:59:12 GMT -5
Lol. The tankers not playing at all were the stupid ones. There are expert death squads now. The tanking is gone to happen regardless. Losing is turning into it's own skill level. Yup, I still see lots of hangars w 10k+ wins, thousands of cups, Mk2 current meta and maxed Titans rockin it in M2 and below. It is definitely a “skill” to maintain 50% win rate and stay out of Champions League. I give benefit of the doubt when it’s yesterday’s meta and mid-level Titan. But if you have 150x25 Titan and a Mk2 Shell, etc. in your hangar, you had better be in Champions League. I check hangers. I've seen quite a few like you describe. But, I've notice there are those that I would call still looking for a good game and still wants competition. Like a player 20k winged cups, but all his 5 hangars had lv 8-9 bots with lv 7-9 weapons. It looked not like a FU, but a fun hangar. He had everything-and it looked like he was having fun. Myself, I couldn't wait to get above expert. To me it just wasn't fun. I have the bad game, but I still think even the fun losing games outweighs the bad. |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 23, 2021 10:47:49 GMT -5
Yup, I still see lots of hangars w 10k+ wins, thousands of cups, Mk2 current meta and maxed Titans rockin it in M2 and below. It is definitely a “skill” to maintain 50% win rate and stay out of Champions League. I give benefit of the doubt when it’s yesterday’s meta and mid-level Titan. But if you have 150x25 Titan and a Mk2 Shell, etc. in your hangar, you had better be in Champions League. I check hangers. I've seen quite a few like you describe. But, I've notice there are those that I would call still looking for a good game and still wants competition. Like a player 20k winged cups, but all his 5 hangars had lv 8-9 bots with lv 7-9 weapons. It looked not like a FU, but a fun hangar. He had everything-and it looked like he was having fun. Myself, I couldn't wait to get above expert. To me it just wasn't fun. I have the bad game, but I still think even the fun losing games outweighs the bad. Absolutely look at hangar AND make sure to look at match beacons. I had a player in a loss recently that looked like tanking w <100k damage. BUT he had 5 beacons in his Loki and a ton of near misses on beacon caps. |
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Post by santaclaus on Feb 23, 2021 12:05:46 GMT -5
I am desperately clinging to expert 3... I have meta gear. Shut is still hard yo
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Feb 23, 2021 14:49:11 GMT -5
I am desperately clinging to expert 3... I have meta gear. Shut is still hard yo Well, if you're running up against some of the "expert" lv players I've seen. I feel your plight. |
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Post by Flaminius on Feb 23, 2021 15:21:26 GMT -5
I am desperately clinging to expert 3... I have meta gear. Shut is still hard yo Well, if you're running up against some of the "expert" lv players I've seen. I feel your plight. That's the problem, isn't it? The kids run around in Diamond/Expert border and these bellends just ruin it. It's an old story, but one player can easily ruin the fun the fun of eleven others, it's terrible for the game when 8% of the players can spoil the fun for 92% of them. I play Fortnite a bit with the kids too. If you squad a bit with new players here and there, they feed you a win, but there is no real motivation to do it, it's skill that wins there for the most part. Hangar management is half the fun in this game for me and I really enjoy maximising my resources, but it's a double edged sword. When the rules are so shoddily enforced, it's ripe for abuse and always will be. |
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Post by spartan44 on Feb 23, 2021 16:30:52 GMT -5
Tankers and faders who know what they are doing can't be stopped. There are many ways to go nearly undetected and average 1.2 million damage with 45%-55% win rates and still be tanking and fading like crazy.
The problem is the league system itself. It does not work. Yet pix is doing everything possible to preserve it because it allows massive power creep (for a while) which is good for business.
We need to go back to hanger power matchmaking and be done with all the shenanigans.
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Post by Flaminius on Feb 23, 2021 16:56:30 GMT -5
Tankers and faders who know what they are doing can't be stopped. There are many ways to go nearly undetected and average 1.2 million damage with 45%-55% win rates and still be tanking and fading like crazy. The problem is the league system itself. It does not work. Yet pix is doing everything possible to preserve it because it allows massive power creep (for a while) which is good for business. We need to go back to hanger power matchmaking and be done with all the shenanigans. Never played during hangar matchmaking, but does that create a different sort of problem? You don't see matchmaking in Fortnite, but it's there. Everybody has the exact same power, but they do the matchmaking really well, everybody gets a win here and there. If they did hangar based matchmaking in War Robots, it's a motivation for good/long time players to spend no money and hang around with silver bots clubbing new players. And then the new players they probably just stop playing; we need new players! Totally get what you are saying man, but that model is ripe for abuse by idiots too. |
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Feb 23, 2021 17:58:29 GMT -5
Agree, many gamers look for exploits to gain a edge in almost every game I've played.
I guess what really erks me. Is I've never knew of a gaming company that was so complacent about it. But, it does seem to be the norm anymore. They are like; "why spend the time/money/effort, when you can just ignore it."
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Post by vonpaulus on Feb 23, 2021 18:20:45 GMT -5
I check hangers. I've seen quite a few like you describe. But, I've notice there are those that I would call still looking for a good game and still wants competition. Like a player 20k winged cups, but all his 5 hangars had lv 8-9 bots with lv 7-9 weapons. It looked not like a FU, but a fun hangar. He had everything-and it looked like he was having fun. Myself, I couldn't wait to get above expert. To me it just wasn't fun. I have the bad game, but I still think even the fun losing games outweighs the bad. Absolutely look at hangar AND make sure to look at match beacons. I had a player in a loss recently that looked like tanking w <100k damage. BUT he had 5 beacons in his Loki and a ton of near misses on beacon caps. The guy with 3M+ damage and 0 beacons is much more likely to be the tanker than the guy with 100K damage and 5 beacons. And I’m reporting the guy with 3M+ damage and 0 beacons if he’s not in Champs. |
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Post by vonpaulus on Feb 23, 2021 18:39:29 GMT -5
Agree, many gamers look for exploits to gain a edge in almost every game I've played. I guess what really erks me. Is I've never knew of a gaming company that was so complacent about it. But, it does seem to be the norm anymore. They are like; "why spend the time/money/effort, when you can just ignore it." It’s quite simple why do whales spend thousands of dollars on this game. - To get an advantage over other players. What happens if those whales are regularly matched against each other ir highky skilled players whose skill outweighs their lack of equipment? - The whales have no advantage What will happen if the whales get no advantage? - They will take their money to another place that allows them to validate their egos through the size of their wallet, such as a strip club. What happens if the F2P player base (i.e. the krill in the water for whales to eat) get sick and tired of being fed to the whales every game? - They’ll finf another F2P game that promises them they won’t feed them to the whales. What happens if there is an exodus of F2P players? - There’s no easybeats for the whales to feed on and they’ll leave the game. I get this, and it’s basically the premise of every so called free to play game on the internet since Farmville. |
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Feb 23, 2021 19:04:29 GMT -5
Agree, many gamers look for exploits to gain a edge in almost every game I've played. I guess what really erks me. Is I've never knew of a gaming company that was so complacent about it. But, it does seem to be the norm anymore. They are like; "why spend the time/money/effort, when you can just ignore it." It’s quite simple why do whales spend thousands of dollars on this game. - To get an advantage over other players. What happens if those whales are regularly matched against each other ir highky skilled players whose skill outweighs their lack of equipment? - The whales have no advantage What will happen if the whales get no advantage? - They will take their money to another place that allows them to validate their egos through the size of their wallet, such as a strip club. What happens if the F2P player base (i.e. the chum in the water for whales to eat) get sick and tired of being fed to the whales every game? - They’ll finf another F2P game that promises them they won’t feed them to the whales. What happens if there is an exodus of F2P players? - There’s no easybeats for the whales to feed on and they’ll leave the game. I get this, and it’s basically the premise of every so called free to play game on the internet since Farmville. And how does your statement address high level players in league way too low for their bots and equipment? We are all aware of the whale(pay to win) vs krill(FTP). You stated an obvious. But, you want it to be the answer for everything? Na. Doesn't fit here. |
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Post by vonpaulus on Feb 23, 2021 19:43:06 GMT -5
It’s quite simple why do whales spend thousands of dollars on this game. - To get an advantage over other players. What happens if those whales are regularly matched against each other ir highky skilled players whose skill outweighs their lack of equipment? - The whales have no advantage What will happen if the whales get no advantage? - They will take their money to another place that allows them to validate their egos through the size of their wallet, such as a strip club. What happens if the F2P player base (i.e. the chum in the water for whales to eat) get sick and tired of being fed to the whales every game? - They’ll finf another F2P game that promises them they won’t feed them to the whales. What happens if there is an exodus of F2P players? - There’s no easybeats for the whales to feed on and they’ll leave the game. I get this, and it’s basically the premise of every so called free to play game on the internet since Farmville. And how does your statement address high level players in league way too low for their bots and equipment? We are all aware of the whale(pay to win) vs krill(FTP). You stated an obvious. But, you want it to be the answer for everything? Na. Doesn't fit here. It explains why Pix, along with most internet game companies, have a system that lets it happen. They need to keep the whale to krill ratio in a happy balance, and by adding the report button Pix is trying to move the balance a bit more to the krill side because too many krill in their game were getting unhappy. To keep the krill happy you can’t feed them to the whales too often and blatant tanking meant the krill were coming across too many whales. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 20:32:08 GMT -5
Like all cats, the report button is quite handy!  BTW, the way Pix is Pix?  |
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Post by spartan44 on Feb 23, 2021 21:11:07 GMT -5
Tankers and faders who know what they are doing can't be stopped. There are many ways to go nearly undetected and average 1.2 million damage with 45%-55% win rates and still be tanking and fading like crazy. The problem is the league system itself. It does not work. Yet pix is doing everything possible to preserve it because it allows massive power creep (for a while) which is good for business. We need to go back to hanger power matchmaking and be done with all the shenanigans. Never played during hangar matchmaking, but does that create a different sort of problem? You don't see matchmaking in Fortnite, but it's there. Everybody has the exact same power, but they do the matchmaking really well, everybody gets a win here and there. If they did hangar based matchmaking in War Robots, it's a motivation for good/long time players to spend no money and hang around with silver bots clubbing new players. And then the new players they probably just stop playing; we need new players! Totally get what you are saying man, but that model is ripe for abuse by idiots too. Hanger power matchmaking is not perfect. However, it was much better than what we have now. The percentage of good games was very high and their were no outrageous power spreads. It was more skill based and that made it intensely fun. No one even knew what tanking was. There were some problems, sure, but they were merely annoyances compared to the ones we have now. Hanger power matchmaking is not perfect but it's definitely the cleanest dirty shirt in the room. |
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Post by Garbage game on Feb 23, 2021 23:04:54 GMT -5
Never played during hangar matchmaking, but does that create a different sort of problem? You don't see matchmaking in Fortnite, but it's there. Everybody has the exact same power, but they do the matchmaking really well, everybody gets a win here and there. If they did hangar based matchmaking in War Robots, it's a motivation for good/long time players to spend no money and hang around with silver bots clubbing new players. And then the new players they probably just stop playing; we need new players! Totally get what you are saying man, but that model is ripe for abuse by idiots too. Hanger power matchmaking is not perfect. However, it was much better than what we have now. The percentage of good games was very high and their were no outrageous power spreads. It was more skill based and that made it intensely fun. No one even knew what tanking was. There were some problems, sure, but they were merely annoyances compared to the ones we have now. Hanger power matchmaking is not perfect but it's definitely the cleanest dirty shirt in the room. People keep talking about the horrors of MagGeps, but it seems like an easy enough fix. Just consider the average level of the equipment. But for Pix, this is like Rocket Surgery. |
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Post by Pilot #RG# on Feb 23, 2021 23:15:25 GMT -5
Hanger power matchmaking is not perfect. However, it was much better than what we have now. The percentage of good games was very high and their were no outrageous power spreads. It was more skill based and that made it intensely fun. No one even knew what tanking was. There were some problems, sure, but they were merely annoyances compared to the ones we have now. Hanger power matchmaking is not perfect but it's definitely the cleanest dirty shirt in the room. People keep talking about the horrors of MagGeps, but it seems like an easy enough fix. Just consider the average level of the equipment. But for Pix, this is like Rocket Surgery. The problem with that business model is that the players with lower level bot and weapons will be happy to stay there than pushing up if only similar level people are matched. So Pix will again put a few players from the pools above and below your average level which will bring the same issue like today. Truth is nothing is provided free in this world. If you are getting something for free, you aren’t a customer but you are part of the product they sell 😅. You are served the game free despite the billions they invest on research and development of their product because you are being offered as real human pool to entice the people who are willing to pay. Now the success of this company relies on how they manage to balance it out for everyone to have something while the people who pay gets excess benefits. |
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 24, 2021 19:55:33 GMT -5
Lol. The tankers not playing at all were the stupid ones. There are expert death squads now. The tanking is gone to happen regardless. Losing is turning into it's own skill level. Yup, I still see lots of hangars w 10k+ wins, thousands of cups, Mk2 current meta and maxed Titans rockin it in M2 and below. It is definitely a “skill” to maintain 50% win rate and stay out of Champions League. I give benefit of the doubt when it’s yesterday’s meta and mid-level Titan. But if you have 150x25 Titan and a Mk2 Shell, etc. in your hangar, you had better be in Champions League. Are you really avoiding anything in M2 tho? Still champs playground there...... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 20:15:31 GMT -5
I’ve said this many times before....getting soapbox.....eliminate negative rank points, make bottom players get a 0 league points.
If that happens, when your there, your there.......
EZ
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Post by spartan44 on Feb 24, 2021 20:38:31 GMT -5
I’ve said this many times before....getting soapbox.....eliminate negative rank points, make bottom players get a 0 league points. If that happens, when your there, your there....... EZ That puts almost EVERYONE in champions league within a relatively short period of time. Not good. Hanger power matchmaking is the answer. It solves 80% of the games problems instantly. Pix will never do it until the game is nearly done. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 21:17:22 GMT -5
I’ve said this many times before....getting soapbox.....eliminate negative rank points, make bottom players get a 0 league points. If that happens, when your there, your there....... EZ That puts almost EVERYONE in champions league within a relatively short period of time. Not good. Hanger power matchmaking is the answer. It solves 80% of the games problems instantly. Pix will never do it until the game is nearly done. This would also need no reset each season, thanks for the reminder. So, whales might have 1,000,000 rank points, and have to play very high ranked players...... |
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Feb 24, 2021 23:08:58 GMT -5
I haven’t noticed any difference since the report button came in. If anything the steady increase of crappy games continues unabated.
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Post by Шɑɡɡɪή on Feb 25, 2021 14:16:13 GMT -5
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How about a report button for reporting on the abysmal match making ...
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Feb 28, 2021 10:02:23 GMT -5
We shouldn’t need a Report button for players like this, seal clubbing in Masters League. Sitting on 10k wins and 10s of thousands cups, DB!  |
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