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Post by Garbage game on Feb 27, 2021 0:13:12 GMT -5
It's backing up statements with facts. It's a form of ethos that shows you have nothing to hide and that your opinion is of importance. Would you consider the opinion of some Bronze league guy vs what some Legend League player with 10,000 wins comes up with? Yeah but the thing is that's exactly what happened. Somebody kinda willy nilly made a statement like it was just a commonly accepted fact. As far as I can tell, there was enough who thought the 'evidence' armorer brought up was enough to support HIS rebuttal. And now it's like the other side just wants to retaliate. Asking for ten times more in order to try and discredit. It's hard to describe, but it's getting slightly uncomfortable. He barely brought up any evidence. And what Thunderkiss posted prettty much invalidated his whole argument. There was only one guy not running Last Stand on ONE bot. And regarding anonymity, you guys play on a PC platform it should be easy enough to blank out info in Paint
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Post by Garbage game on Feb 27, 2021 0:19:20 GMT -5
Yeah but the thing is that's exactly what happened. Somebody kinda willy nilly made a statement like it was just a commonly accepted fact. As far as I can tell, there was enough who thought the 'evidence' armorer brought up was enough to support HIS rebuttal. And now it's like the other side just wants to retaliate. Asking for ten times more in order to try and discredit. It's hard to describe, but it's getting slightly uncomfortable. This. I mean Garbage Game you're a pretty big moderate, but you're getting kind of cranky at this. It's not like you. Oh I’m not cranky at all, this is quite amusing to me. All my previous nemeses have left or have been banned so the forum has been pretty dead lately. Plus I get a chance at another heated Last Stand debate
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Post by santaclaus on Feb 27, 2021 2:20:29 GMT -5
This. I mean Garbage Game you're a pretty big moderate, but you're getting kind of cranky at this. It's not like you. Oh I’m not cranky at all, this is quite amusing to me. All my previous nemeses have left or have been banned so the forum has been pretty dead lately. Plus I get a chance at another heated Last Stand debate Word it how you like, you have an emotional vestment if nothing else.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 5:38:19 GMT -5
Yeah but the thing is that's exactly what happened. Somebody kinda willy nilly made a statement like it was just a commonly accepted fact. As far as I can tell, there was enough who thought the 'evidence' armorer brought up was enough to support HIS rebuttal. And now it's like the other side just wants to retaliate. Asking for ten times more in order to try and discredit. It's hard to describe, but it's getting slightly uncomfortable. He barely brought up any evidence. And what Thunderkiss posted prettty much invalidated his whole argument. There was only one guy not running Last Stand on ONE bot. And regarding anonymity, you guys play on a PC platform it should be easy enough to blank out info in Paint Like I said. This is what is uncomfortable to be around. All the twisting events to shape up the picture to make it seem like your whole side isn't really ganging up on somebody for saying what you didn't like. You are so focused on trying to discredit the guy as if this is a witness stand and the verdict rests on one person's credibility. You don't like the substance of what was said and won't acknowledge those points. Your whole effort has been purely to spike the ball in the man's face for one good point he made. And I'm sorry but after all your huffing and puffing, you have proved NOTHING to discredit anything armorer said. Context might help if you tried. First off, the original statement was ALL S CLAN MEMBERS MUST USE LAST STAND AS REQUIREMENT. He showed enough evidence to disprove that. Obviously. Look at how you've behaved since. All was needed was a single shot to show that NO it is NOT a requirement or as serious as what was said. Sorry but the FACT that was being laid out at the time was is the same FACT you are trying so hard to recover. You are trying to re establish the 'fact' all S clan members value last stand as much as you do. As if THAT becomes the validation for YOUR position in this argument. Whats really sad is that you don't even see how sad that is. But the point was already made. Where HE PLAYS with the guys HE plays with all the time (and we all know what rotations are like, servers, etc) HE sees S clan members who don't. THAT WAS PROVEN ALREADY but some just can't let that go. Even what's coming from you now. You started searching and found a bot without last stand. Well if you played for years then you'd probably see many more LIKE HE SAID so you are STILL proving the guys point. Let it go already. It does nothing to address the substance of the argument he makes. And that is that the numbers, all by themselves make the Last Stand mod less valuable than TN. But the way you all are acting it's like somebody was saying this about a family member instead. The guy said he figured a way to test what this whole thread has been discussing. I was personally interested in seeing the results and video. But you guys haven't even acknowledged a bit of that. Just keep relentlessly attacking the guy. Give it a rest already.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 6:09:40 GMT -5
Not to speak for him but I'm pretty sure he means money as a factor for upgrading said gear. IE, calculating REAL money into the "investment Vs return ". You don't know who spent cash. That's a factor in the argument that he (and Artemis) has been discussing since page 1. Investment Vs return. Man, this argument is why there is no last stand which is an important module to win games. Then some brought return and real money etc into discussion and claimed that people who don’t use last stand has higher chance of winning. So last stand should be avoided. So another few specified that once you go up in your leagues and gets more competitive games, last stand becomes very vital for your returns / wins and top clans value it more. For that some people said that the top 1,2,3 clans they know don’t use them and he is in discussion with them. He can even go and hunt those people who spent unwisely their silver on last stand in battlefield and he always won his one on one battles against last stand users. Then screenshots were given to back people’s claim that once you go top tier clans or difficult leagues, last stand usage becomes important. There everyone load their hangar with powerful stuffs and within a moment they can wipe you off if last stand isn’t there. It’s clear that a one slot last stand usage has helped them to win and get more return as you progress when it’s combined with other modules by seeing the wide usage of the module. Now we are curious to see the mentioned top clans 1,2,3 which don’t use last stand and their hangars. Let’s not divert the topic and again pull back the discussion to where it started. We do agree we and other clans/players we specified in screenshots may be wrong and unwise for selecting last stand as one of the modules. Some detailed hangar explanations and screenshots of people at upper leagues who saw success without last stand ( which people mentioned ) could help us see how these people combine their bots, weapons and modules .... and improve our own gameplay. Please show the hangars of these intelligent wise people who figured that last stand should be avoided. Just trying to clean up the Chinese whispers a bit. Position creep is a thing in this forum. Lol. I don't recall it being said that the top 1,2,3 clans don't use Last Stand. What was said was there were members in them who don't. That's different.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 6:19:38 GMT -5
It’s amazing that you sustained in champ league with that hangar !!! Because it’s very tough to be part of s clan squad matches with those bots tbh. Especially when you brawl against death squats without last stand. So much respect 👍 As much as I'd love to silently take praise from you.. I was never in champs, that's why I said I dunno how I ever managed to get in an S clan. I'm in expert. Wow. And all those who taut S clan mythology as the measuring standard for all that is worthy in war robot universe missed that? Lol I didn't even think that was possible but still says alot about you being one hell of a player to hang with them. You surely would have been kicked by now if you couldnt.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 27, 2021 8:50:48 GMT -5
I already did this earlier up in the thread. Steam/FBGR thank you because i findin out now about why is there asking for different from the screenshot mi put up earlier. what is curious to me about the asking is the search. Is for to find the screenshot of the guy mi put up is a fake? Ok is a fake. Mi use photoshop and make it. So now that make what change for the talk? This is what mi just no can undastand. But is ok lol No i think he just wanted steam/fbgr evidence to corroborate the assertions made here.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 27, 2021 8:56:51 GMT -5
As much as I'd love to silently take praise from you.. I was never in champs, that's why I said I dunno how I ever managed to get in an S clan. I'm in expert. Wow. And all those who taut S clan mythology as the measuring standard for all that is worthy in war robot universe missed that? Lol I didn't even think that was possible but still says alot about you being one hell of a player to hang with them. You surely would have been kicked by now if you couldnt.
what mythology? man you are really getting into the weeds. You honestly think someone with subpar anything is going to hang with death squads in ANY capacity other than "red shirt"?
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Go die in whatever manner suits you best..... Last Stand or no Last Stand
Because there's certainly nothing else you're going to hear.
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Post by Pilot #RG# on Feb 27, 2021 11:47:01 GMT -5
Man, this argument is why there is no last stand which is an important module to win games. Then some brought return and real money etc into discussion and claimed that people who don’t use last stand has higher chance of winning. So last stand should be avoided. So another few specified that once you go up in your leagues and gets more competitive games, last stand becomes very vital for your returns / wins and top clans value it more. For that some people said that the top 1,2,3 clans they know don’t use them and he is in discussion with them. He can even go and hunt those people who spent unwisely their silver on last stand in battlefield and he always won his one on one battles against last stand users. Then screenshots were given to back people’s claim that once you go top tier clans or difficult leagues, last stand usage becomes important. There everyone load their hangar with powerful stuffs and within a moment they can wipe you off if last stand isn’t there. It’s clear that a one slot last stand usage has helped them to win and get more return as you progress when it’s combined with other modules by seeing the wide usage of the module. Now we are curious to see the mentioned top clans 1,2,3 which don’t use last stand and their hangars. Let’s not divert the topic and again pull back the discussion to where it started. We do agree we and other clans/players we specified in screenshots may be wrong and unwise for selecting last stand as one of the modules. Some detailed hangar explanations and screenshots of people at upper leagues who saw success without last stand ( which people mentioned ) could help us see how these people combine their bots, weapons and modules .... and improve our own gameplay. Please show the hangars of these intelligent wise people who figured that last stand should be avoided. Just trying to clean up the Chinese whispers a bit. Position creep is a thing in this forum. Lol. I don't recall it being said that the top 1,2,3 clans don't use Last Stand. What was said was there were members in them who don't. That's different. That 1,2,3 clans comment was posted by the one who liked your comment @thearmorer
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 11:49:29 GMT -5
Wow. And all those who taut S clan mythology as the measuring standard for all that is worthy in war robot universe missed that? Lol I didn't even think that was possible but still says alot about you being one hell of a player to hang with them. You surely would have been kicked by now if you couldnt.
what mythology? man you are really getting into the weeds. You honestly think someone with subpar anything is going to hang with death squads in ANY capacity other than "red shirt"?
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Go die in whatever manner suits you best..... Last Stand or no Last Stand
Because there's certainly nothing else you're going to hear.
I think I know this one lol Is when people like to say thing like all s clan must have top everything to join. All s clan member must have million cup and billion kill and trillion murder stat to join or get boot. All s clan use max last stand on everything. All s clan this. All s clan that. you can also listen in fairness as well. is ok to do that. then speak fairly to say if a fairy tale getting told about that.
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Post by Pilot #RG# on Feb 27, 2021 11:58:41 GMT -5
I think many forget there is a ton of difference between high level play and the rest. S clans wont even look at a guy without last stands on most bots. This is current as of right now and no FFA games. all games were solo or duo Dom and BR mode. Oh and a few drone shots thrown in. Believe it or not this is a dolphin hangar not a whale no more than a little entertainment money and smart use of resources and deals. Looks like you missed the post about S clans. Apparently last stand doesn't mean as much to them as many like to think it does. Artemis, this is where we need your help. Can you give some samples of S clan champ league players or clans (who don’t bother last stand and ) from whom you derived your conclusion . Like what alternative they are using and how they construct their bot, weapon and module combination to do better than last stands ? It will be helpful for us to update ourselves with such knowledge to be more competitive. A hangar data or clan data will be nice like I said. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 12:10:12 GMT -5
Just trying to clean up the Chinese whispers a bit. Position creep is a thing in this forum. Lol. I don't recall it being said that the top 1,2,3 clans don't use Last Stand. What was said was there were members in them who don't. That's different. That 1,2,3 clans comment was posted by the one who liked your comment @thearmorer Yeah and is correct. I no say top 1, 2 and 3 no use Last Stand mod. I say I play with guys in them squad. More than just them. But for the chat is just them get bring in to talk about what happen when mi ping one to ask him because the guy alone make it hard for blue team win if he red. I never say last stand is trash. I never say last stand useless. I never say use last stand make attack on intelligence of anybody. I always say for me is make no sense. Free to play need silver and resource production at the maximum squeeze every drop of blood from every grain of sand. For ME it make no sense and mi tell the advantage exploited by my hand. Is all. Nobody feeling should get all dust up for that. Is no suppose to keep them from acknowledge the whole talk. Is when who say what no get twist up like that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 12:18:18 GMT -5
Looks like you missed the post about S clans. Apparently last stand doesn't mean as much to them as many like to think it does. Artemis, this is where we need your help. Can you give some samples of S clan champ league players or clans (who don’t bother last stand and ) from whom you derived your conclusion . Like what alternative they are using and how they construct their bot, weapon and module combination to do better than last stands ? It will be helpful for us to update ourselves with such knowledge to be more competitive. A hangar data or clan data will be nice like I said. Thanks. I did this already. somebody delete the post? is in this thread. Is example like you ask. If that one no good be sure you disconnect you asking from my chat. What you looking for after that is past mi conversation and on to new chat.
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Post by Pilot #RG# on Feb 27, 2021 12:20:37 GMT -5
That 1,2,3 clans comment was posted by the one who liked your comment @thearmorer Yeah and is correct. I no say top 1, 2 and 3 no use Last Stand mod. I say I play with guys in them squad. More than just them. But for the chat is just them get bring in to talk about what happen when mi ping one to ask him because the guy alone make it hard for blue team win if he red. I never say last stand is trash. I never say last stand useless. I never say use last stand make attack on intelligence of anybody. I always say for me is make no sense. Free to play need silver and resource production at the maximum squeeze every drop of blood from every grain of sand. For ME it make no sense and mi tell the advantage exploited by my hand. Is all. Nobody feeling should get all dust up for that. Is no suppose to keep them from acknowledge the whole talk. Is when who say what no get twist up like that. You did say many from your top 1,2,3 clans don’t use last stand and you fight these top 1,2,3 members every day. So we asked which clans or players these people are. Is it very difficult to find them when many exists and you fight them every day ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 12:23:58 GMT -5
i dont respond to racist comment and innuendo most times i respect the people here enough to say right out that this business about them all look alike no goin to fly with me.
dont know who got problem with haiti or black or foreigner or whatever make you jump on a man who no troubling you.
What I know is not my problem to deal with or come online to have people throw in my face. Especially for no game.
Why them say the place in need of money but them allow this kind of negative vibe to run rampant? This is what we get for the donation?
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Post by Pilot #RG# on Feb 27, 2021 12:30:52 GMT -5
i dont respond to racist comment and innuendo most times Racist ? 😅😂🤣 Do you mean this below post of artemis which described me as Chinese whispers for being from Asia ? Apparently not since you liked it 😜
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 12:40:12 GMT -5
i dont respond to racist comment and innuendo most times Racist ? 😅😂🤣 Do you mean this below post which described me as Chinese whispers for being from Asia ? Apparently not since you liked it 😜 since you never heard of it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispersa game you think Im playing to argue?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 12:41:26 GMT -5
ok. is enough for me here. thanks you for all the talking. This no for me
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Post by Flaminius on Feb 27, 2021 14:03:41 GMT -5
Racist ? 😅😂🤣 Do you mean this below post which described me as Chinese whispers for being from Asia ? Apparently not since you liked it 😜 since you never heard of it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispersa game you think Im playing to argue? Mate, read your own article (the etymology section), it's not intended as a derogatory term and never has been. They don't call the game Chinese Whispers at my kid's school any more, and that's fair enough, but calling people racist is a bit of a streach.
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Post by Garbage game on Feb 27, 2021 15:38:54 GMT -5
i dont respond to racist comment and innuendo most times i respect the people here enough to say right out that this business about them all look alike no goin to fly with me. dont know who got problem with haiti or black or foreigner or whatever make you jump on a man who no troubling you. What I know is not my problem to deal with or come online to have people throw in my face. Especially for no game. Why them say the place in need of money but them allow this kind of negative vibe to run rampant? This is what we get for the donation? How did race get brought in? Also
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 22:48:20 GMT -5
You guys obviously know the guy left. So who are you really writing those messages to?
I haven't scrolled through whatever responses there are anymore. There is entirely way more animosity and nasty attitudes involved here then a conversation about video game mechanics should have. When you got one guy labeling another as his imaginary nemesis like he's at his keyboard wearing a cape and mask it becomes clear that there's a problem way beyond the video game. And I'm sorry but I only come here for a temporary escape from the drama of life. I'm not interested in navigating whatever dramas are in people's minds. I'm gonna take a break so don't look for responses from me. I'm weighing if it's worth sticking around myself. There's plenty of ugly in the real world. I don't need to come here to find more.
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Post by santaclaus on Feb 27, 2021 22:54:22 GMT -5
i dont respond to racist comment and innuendo most times i respect the people here enough to say right out that this business about them all look alike no goin to fly with me. dont know who got problem with haiti or black or foreigner or whatever make you jump on a man who no troubling you. What I know is not my problem to deal with or come online to have people throw in my face. Especially for no game. Why them say the place in need of money but them allow this kind of negative vibe to run rampant? This is what we get for the donation? How did race get brought in? Also And here I said you weren't a booly... Also only 21 year old girls say bye Felicia.
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Post by Garbage game on Feb 27, 2021 23:19:30 GMT -5
How did race get brought in? Also And here I said you weren't a booly... Also only 21 year old girls say bye Felicia. How is that bullying? I didn’t even jump to the race argument with the Chinese whispers thing and I’m actually Chinese. I’m not afraid to post a picture of myself here either. Also I’m apparently a girl. Hot 21 year old Chinese girl here don’t hit on me you silly boys
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Post by Garbage game on Feb 27, 2021 23:23:57 GMT -5
You guys obviously know the guy left. So who are you really writing those messages to? I haven't scrolled through whatever responses there are anymore. There is entirely way more animosity and nasty attitudes involved here then a conversation about video game mechanics should have. When you got one guy labeling another as his imaginary nemesis like he's at his keyboard wearing a cape and mask it becomes clear that there's a problem way beyond the video game. And I'm sorry but I only come here for a temporary escape from the drama of life. I'm not interested in navigating whatever dramas are in people's minds. I'm gonna take a break so don't look for responses from me. I'm weighing if it's worth sticking around myself. There's plenty of ugly in the real world. I don't need to come here to find more. You are taking this way too seriously. I know the guy left, but no doubt the info will get to him somehow. In a thread about Last Stand some of us made a strong argument for the module that’s been dominant for more than a year now. There are spenders, and there are low spenders. Was the advice I gave you in your f2p thread not good? I’ll give you some more advice as a self proclaimed f2p god: Last stand hasn’t been nerfed in a loooong time. It’s a great investment and if you wanna be competitive it’s something you need to have. If you want to stay in low leagues then run what you want.
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Post by santaclaus on Feb 27, 2021 23:26:31 GMT -5
And here I said you weren't a booly... Also only 21 year old girls say bye Felicia. How is that bullying? Â I didnât even jump to the race argument with the Chinese whispers thing and Iâm actually Chinese. Â Iâm not afraid to post a picture of myself here either. Also Iâm apparently a girl. Hot 21 year old Chinese girl here donât hit on me you silly boys 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 is Chinese whispers? Lol nevermind just goggled it, it's telephone!? Also I dont care about any race 「dookie」. I'm just referring to your intentional hounding of a dude that barely speaks English and making sure it cannot be amicable. As shown by your farewell posts. You don't care if you're right or wrong, you just want him to feel stupid. And that's 「really happy」.
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Post by Garbage game on Feb 27, 2021 23:31:32 GMT -5
How is that bullying? Â I didnât even jump to the race argument with the Chinese whispers thing and Iâm actually Chinese. Â Iâm not afraid to post a picture of myself here either. Also Iâm apparently a girl. Hot 21 year old Chinese girl here donât hit on me you silly boys 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 is Chinese whispers? Lol nevermind just goggled it, it's telephone!? Also I dont care about any race 「dookie」. I'm just referring to your intentional hounding of a dude that barely speaks English and making sure it cannot be amicable. As shown by your farewell posts. You don't care if you're right or wrong, you just want him to feel stupid. And that's 「really happy」. It was supposed to be a discussion backed up with evidence. When evidence didn’t back up any of his claims he cried racism and ragequit the forums. A lot of us have played this game at a high level for a long time. Yeah we can be jaded and ornery at times. I don’t feel like I crossed another line or mods would’ve given another warning. Anyway did you learn anything from this mess or do you still think Thermonuclear Reactor is better than Last Stand?
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Post by santaclaus on Feb 27, 2021 23:44:22 GMT -5
ãwhiskey tango foxtrotã is Chinese whispers? Lol nevermind just goggled it, it's telephone!? Also I dont care about any race ãdookieã. I'm just referring to your intentional hounding of a dude that barely speaks English and making sure it cannot be amicable. As shown by your farewell posts. You don't care if you're right or wrong, you just want him to feel stupid. And that's ãreally happyã. It was supposed to be a discussion backed up with evidence. Â When evidence didnât back up any of his claims he cried racism and ragequit the forums. Â A lot of us have played this game at a high level for a long time. Â Yeah we can be jaded and ornery at times. Â I donât feel like I crossed another line or mods wouldâve given another warning. Anyway did you learn anything from this mess or do you still think Thermonuclear Reactor is better than Last Stand? To be perfectly frank, they're both 「dookie」. I use HAKs and Anticontrol as my premium mods of choice. But to answer your question, thermonuclear is still better. I'd rather have a constant 10% damage boost with zero investment, than delaying an inevitable death by 2 seconds. What the 「fluffernutter」 kind of damage do you think I'm doing in 2 seconds? Assuming I even connect my shots or can even see what I'm firing at. Or are you not seeing the same particle effect mess gong show going on in remastered?
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Post by santaclaus on Feb 27, 2021 23:45:47 GMT -5
Sorry, I meant to say "remastered" I used airquotes by the way.
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Post by Garbage game on Feb 27, 2021 23:57:42 GMT -5
It was supposed to be a discussion backed up with evidence. à When evidence didnâÂÂt back up any of his claims he cried racism and ragequit the forums. à A lot of us have played this game at a high level for a long time. à Yeah we can be jaded and ornery at times. à I donâÂÂt feel like I crossed another line or mods wouldâÂÂve given another warning. Anyway did you learn anything from this mess or do you still think Thermonuclear Reactor is better than Last Stand? To be perfectly frank, they're both ãdookieã. I use HAKs and Anticontrol as my premium mods of choice. But to answer your question, thermonuclear is still better. I'd rather have a constant 10% damage boost with zero investment, than delaying an inevitable death by 2 seconds. What the ãfluffernutterã kind of damage do you think I'm doing in 2 seconds? Assuming I even connect my shots or can even see what I'm firing at. Or are you not seeing the same particle effect mess gong show going on in remastered? Itâs only a 10% boost if you invest 200million silver into it. Itâs 5% at base level. Last Stand is 2 seconds at level 1 and 4.5s at max. Same cost 200million. I often find that Last Stand allows me that extra time to cap a beacon or reactivate a crucial ability. I play on a tablet so I can see everything unless it inevitably lags. I can understand how unclear it can be on a phone tho. I started off on a phone and couldnât hit 「dookie」 with a TriFury. Still made it to Champs somehow on a phone tho
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Post by santaclaus on Feb 28, 2021 0:10:01 GMT -5
To be perfectly frank, they're both ãÂÂdookieãÂÂ. I use HAKs and Anticontrol as my premium mods of choice. But to answer your question, thermonuclear is still better. I'd rather have a constant 10% damage boost with zero investment, than delaying an inevitable death by 2 seconds. What the ãÂÂfluffernutterã kind of damage do you think I'm doing in 2 seconds? Assuming I even connect my shots or can even see what I'm firing at. Or are you not seeing the same particle effect mess gong show going on in remastered? ItâÂÂs only a 10% boost if you invest 200million silver into it.  ItâÂÂs 5% at base level.  Last Stand is 2 seconds at level 1 and 4.5s at max.  Same cost 200million.  I often find that Last Stand allows me that extra time to cap a beacon or reactivate a crucial ability. I play on a tablet so I can see everything unless it inevitably lags.  I can understand how unclear it can be on a phone tho.  I started off on a phone and couldnâÂÂt hit ãdookieã with a TriFury.  Still made it to Champs somehow on a phone tho Sorry I wasn't clear I own 2 thermobukes and usually run them together... Funny enough, the current home or those thermobikes is my trifury! I can't justify leveling modules when I can put half that cost into a weapon or something... Also 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 auto-correct and thermo anything.
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