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Post by hirabab on Feb 22, 2021 0:49:23 GMT -5
Serious question. Why are there still so many players with no Last Stand on any of their bots? Even a low level Last Stand will improve the chances of surviving a 1:1 engagement.
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Post by Pilot #RG# on Feb 22, 2021 0:52:45 GMT -5
Serious question. Why are there still so many players with no Last Stand on any of their bots? Even a low level Last Stand will improve the chances of surviving a 1:1 engagement. They don’t have them. Most of the people use modules which they find from chests and rarely buy them.
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Post by Daniela1 on Feb 22, 2021 0:55:39 GMT -5
Serious question. Why are there still so many players with no Last Stand on any of their bots? Even a low level Last Stand will improve the chances of surviving a 1:1 engagement. Because most people don't have them, they are very expensive to buy. Most lower league players who do have a last stand got lucky and obtained them from some sort of chests.
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Post by leech2 on Feb 22, 2021 1:51:52 GMT -5
In higher league, people may be using other modules like overdrives. Overdrives are better on shotgun or sniper bots.
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Post by darr on Feb 22, 2021 1:53:30 GMT -5
Seriously...?
No Gold or No Luck or No RM.
Same reason why I don't have 4th/5th hangar slots (okok, the real reason is if I still need to deploy 4th bot, the match is bad matching...lol)
LOL. Seriously. 5000 Gold my goodness.
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Feb 22, 2021 2:06:54 GMT -5
5k Au for one Last Scam, no thanks. I run into so many upper league players running Last Scam, I've developed a disdain for anyone running them. Other Modules are helpful, Last Scam is just lazy whale jewelry.
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Post by Joopiter on Feb 22, 2021 2:21:26 GMT -5
Or they just don't know any better. I still am amazed at folks I run into in champion that are runnin grossly mis-matched weapon ranges.
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Post by vonpaulus on Feb 22, 2021 4:14:56 GMT -5
Because for some bots/builds last stand isn’t the optimal choice. For example: - Bots with shields, most noticeably those with recharging shields, get better value from fortifiers - Very Tanky bots get better value from a heavy armor kit, especially if they are maxing their healing. - Snipers get better value from thermonukes. - Squishy agile bots like a Strider or Rayker get better value from a cloaking unit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 4:22:11 GMT -5
Last stand is really a waste of a mod slot on many bots.
Many think of 'survivability' in terms of how many seconds longer you last when about to die. I like to think of it as how hard I can make it for ANY red to kill me. Last stand to me is like the bulletproof vest you throw on after you've been shot up. Sure it's great for some because yer skills need a band aid. I know a whole lot of folks don't like it bein said that way but it's the truth.
Loads are gonna argue that you NEED it, 'especially' in high League but that's a flat lie. My pals are high champs and never use them and laugh at those who do when they trigger Thiers then kill them. Shoulda had more damage output. You could a killed the guy while he waited for your last stand to run out. Lol
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Post by milty72 on Feb 22, 2021 5:15:15 GMT -5
Last stand is really a waste of a mod slot on many bots. Many think of 'survivability' in terms of how many seconds longer you last when about to die. I like to think of it as how hard I can make it for ANY red to kill me. Last stand to me is like the bulletproof vest you throw on after you've been shot up. Sure it's great for some because yer skills need a band aid. I know a whole lot of folks don't like it bein said that way but it's the truth. Loads are gonna argue that you NEED it, 'especially' in high League but that's a flat lie. My pals are high champs and never use them and laugh at those who do when they trigger Thiers then kill them. Shoulda had more damage output. You could a killed the guy while he waited for your last stand to run out. Lol This ^. I have one but don't feel the need. I really don't have much of a problem shooting up a bot with one.
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Post by hi5 on Feb 22, 2021 8:22:40 GMT -5
I have a much different opinion than others above about the value of Last Stand and why there may be an increase in Champions League of players without it.
IMO Last Stand is the most valuable module you can get and the only mod I have on all 5 bots and all leveled to at least 5 (100% F2P so this took a long time to do and a ton of silver - 0 regrets). Itâs a game changer if you are in higher leagues. Itâs more than just a few seconds of extra life, as it often allows me to grab a beacon I might not get or take down a red with a fresher bot than me. Itâs a surge protector to prevent getting wiped out in one swoop. Itâs also a deterrent - you are seen as a harder target in many situations (Iâm coming for you first if you donât have it because I can eliminate you as a threat faster). I know there is some distaste for Last Stand from some, but itâs hard to deny just how effective it is once youâve run a few leveled up on your bots. And it will likely NEVER get nerfed (and you only need 5). A safe resource investment in a game where the ground shifts quickly and often. Itâs costly but so worth it.
As to why there may be fewer using them in upper leagues now, a couple thoughts: league points reset/changes and the intentional MM points changes pushed lots of newer/lower league players up, the departure of many older players who came up when Last Stand was one of a few mods available and a must have, more variety of different mods and combos as mentioned above, less gold available to get them after pilots were introduced, silver feels harder to get after they made HP the determiner for wins, and possibly a general reduction in give a 「fluffernutter」 (FU play style) brought on by the relentless monetization strategy from Pix.
If youâre not running it and in Champions League, my hats off to you for accepting that challenge. Also Iâll probably get the better of you in every one on one, and possibly vs the second bot you drop trying to save that beacon Iâm stealing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 8:25:01 GMT -5
Last stand is really a waste of a mod slot on many bots. Many think of 'survivability' in terms of how many seconds longer you last when about to die. I like to think of it as how hard I can make it for ANY red to kill me. Last stand to me is like the bulletproof vest you throw on after you've been shot up. Sure it's great for some because yer skills need a band aid. I know a whole lot of folks don't like it bein said that way but it's the truth. Loads are gonna argue that you NEED it, 'especially' in high League but that's a flat lie. My pals are high champs and never use them and laugh at those who do when they trigger Thiers then kill them. Shoulda had more damage output. You could a killed the guy while he waited for your last stand to run out. Lol This ^. I have one but don't feel the need. I really don't have much of a problem shooting up a bot with one. agree with you here. and same as well. i have one that was a win from box. only mod i have no max. just level 2. I use it on no weapon strider beacon runner to die in beacon. Is only use i can see in all 5 hangar for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 8:44:05 GMT -5
I have a much different opinion than others above about the value of Last Stand and why there may be an increase in Champions League of players without it. IMO Last Stand is the most valuable module you can get and the only mod I have on all 5 bots and all leveled to at least 5 (100% F2P so this took a long time to do and a ton of silver - 0 regrets). Itâs a game changer if you are in higher leagues. Itâs more than just a few seconds of extra life, as it often allows me to grab a beacon I might not get or take down a red with a fresher bot than me. Itâs a surge protector to prevent getting wiped out in one swoop. Itâs also a deterrent - you are seen as a harder target in many situations (Iâm coming for you first if you donât have it because I can eliminate you as a threat faster). I know there is some distaste for Last Stand from some, but itâs hard to deny just how effective it is once youâve run a few leveled up on your bots. And it will likely NEVER get nerfed (and you only need 5). A safe resource investment in a game where the ground shifts quickly and often. Itâs costly but so worth it. As to why there may be fewer using them in upper leagues now, a couple thoughts: league points reset/changes and the intentional MM points changes pushed lots of newer/lower league players up, the departure of many older players who came up when Last Stand was one of a few mods available and a must have, more variety of different mods and combos as mentioned above, less gold available to get them after pilots were introduced, silver feels harder to get after they made HP the determiner for wins, and possibly a general reduction in give a 「fluffernutter」 (FU play style) brought on by the relentless monetization strategy from Pix. If youâre not running it and in Champions League, my hats off to you for accepting that challenge. Also Iâll probably get the better of you in every one on one, and possibly vs the second bot you drop trying to save that beacon Iâm stealing. everything you describe doing here with last stand- I do it without i never had problem accomplish with being aware of red in play around me and my blue team. I never have problem accomplish with proper timing. I never have problem planning route, target acquisition and positioning etc etc etc I never have problem with skill. to me you sayin last stand is automatic transmission in them things but some of us who like driving prefer the more control of driving a stick And the reason why you going to lose when you run into player like me is because of what you think. You say you going to get better of me in one on one. I see you dark hp bar and the way you approach show you think is gonna save you. That what get you killed. You guys so easy to bait. And the more a guy say he no take bait is the one who take it the most and get more angry every time. lol You write many things about how last stand is good for you. Is okay to write that. Everything has good and no good. You also know the no very good about the last stand too. Like when you think is going to save you but is just no enough to save you death from catching you. Is good for those who like it. And for me this is good too. When I see dark hp bar I know my guns more power than that red. And that red guns less to worry against my defense. Last stand make a bot look to me like food. And knowing my firepower beat his is usually correct lol.
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Post by Jeb on Feb 22, 2021 9:19:24 GMT -5
It's funny, I feel like I see lots of Last Stand in use. For me, I think I have three (all won) and the one that's most valuable is on my Nightingale, because I know that there have been quite a few times when Last Stand kicking off has allowed me to get back in the air and heal in stealth mode. I've also got a cloaking unit on that bot too.
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Post by hi5 on Feb 22, 2021 9:21:49 GMT -5
I have a much different opinion than others above about the value of Last Stand and why there may be an increase in Champions League of players without it. IMO Last Stand is the most valuable module you can get and the only mod I have on all 5 bots and all leveled to at least 5 (100% F2P so this took a long time to do and a ton of silver - 0 regrets). Itâs a game changer if you are in higher leagues. Itâs more than just a few seconds of extra life, as it often allows me to grab a beacon I might not get or take down a red with a fresher bot than me. Itâs a surge protector to prevent getting wiped out in one swoop. Itâs also a deterrent - you are seen as a harder target in many situations (Iâm coming for you first if you donât have it because I can eliminate you as a threat faster). I know there is some distaste for Last Stand from some, but itâs hard to deny just how effective it is once youâve run a few leveled up on your bots. And it will likely NEVER get nerfed (and you only need 5). A safe resource investment in a game where the ground shifts quickly and often. Itâs costly but so worth it. As to why there may be fewer using them in upper leagues now, a couple thoughts: league points reset/changes and the intentional MM points changes pushed lots of newer/lower league players up, the departure of many older players who came up when Last Stand was one of a few mods available and a must have, more variety of different mods and combos as mentioned above, less gold available to get them after pilots were introduced, silver feels harder to get after they made HP the determiner for wins, and possibly a general reduction in give a 「fluffernutter」 (FU play style) brought on by the relentless monetization strategy from Pix. If youâre not running it and in Champions League, my hats off to you for accepting that challenge. Also Iâll probably get the better of you in every one on one, and possibly vs the second bot you drop trying to save that beacon Iâm stealing. everything you describe doing here with last stand- I do it without i never had problem accomplish with being aware of red in play around me and my blue team. I never have problem accomplish with proper timing. I never have problem planning route, target acquisition and positioning etc etc etc I never have problem with skill. to me you sayin last stand is automatic transmission in them things but some of us who like driving prefer the more control of driving a stick And the reason why you going to lose when you run into player like me is because of what you think. You say you going to get better of me in one on one. I see you dark hp bar and the way you approach show you think is gonna save you. That what get you killed. You guys so easy to bait. And the more a guy say he no take bait is the one who take it the most and get more angry every time. lol You write many things about how last stand is good for you. Is okay to write that. Everything has good and no good. You also know the no very good about the last stand too. Like when you think is going to save you but is just no enough to save you death from catching you. Is good for those who like it. And for me this is good too. When I see dark hp bar I know my guns more power than that red. And that red guns less to worry against my defense. Last stand make a bot look to me like food. And knowing my firepower beat his is usually correct lol. Hey, if you’re doing it well in Champions League without Last Stand more power to ya! But Last Stand is not something to “save” a player - it’s a powerful tool to use in combination with skill and awareness. There are a number of scenarios where Last Stand can change a whole match - taking an early beacon under fire, holding a beacon until blues can drop in to help, moving out of cover to a closer range knowing you have a backstop. PS has a similar ability to duck damage and shed an effect but you can’t fire back or hold a beacon. Stealth can do those things but you can still get killed by certain bots or Quantum Radar. This is especially true when regularly facing opponents with much higher leveled gear. Anything is possible, but my guess is on average a bot with Last Stand beats an equally leveled opponent with a maxed Thermonuclear Reactor or Heavy Armor Kit most times. Last Stand is nearly like facing two bots instead of one. At least this is my experience over time in War Robots.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 9:57:19 GMT -5
IDK, maybe more and more players have grown a pair and donât need to be 「misspelled kitty cats」 about the game......maybe.....
For myself, I prefer jumping my Lance around rather than try to âhang onâ 10 more seconds......but, whatever.......
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Feb 22, 2021 10:01:13 GMT -5
Because for some bots/builds last stand isn’t the optimal choice. For example: - Bots with shields, most noticeably those with recharging shields, get better value from fortifiers - Very Tanky bots get better value from a heavy armor kit, especially if they are maxing their healing. - Snipers get better value from thermonukes. - Squishy agile bots like a Strider or Rayker get better value from a cloaking unit. ^^^This was quite constructive.^^^ Thanks. I often run Last Stand but not always. I don't run it on Fenrir (3 HAKs w/Bernadette Legendary Pilot) and I don't run it on Shell (3 Fortifiers). Super squishy bots like Leech and Hawk need Last Stand pretty badly IMHO. I definitely run it on my Nightingale and those 4.5 seconds can make all the difference in being able to take flight again when the fur is flying. Phantom is also a Yes to Last Stand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 10:11:30 GMT -5
Because for some bots/builds last stand isn’t the optimal choice. For example: - Bots with shields, most noticeably those with recharging shields, get better value from fortifiers - Very Tanky bots get better value from a heavy armor kit, especially if they are maxing their healing. - Snipers get better value from thermonukes. - Squishy agile bots like a Strider or Rayker get better value from a cloaking unit. ^^^This was quite constructive.^^^ Thanks. I often run Last Stand but not always. I don't run it on Fenrir (3 HAKs w/Bernadette Legendary Pilot) and I don't run it on Shell (3 Fortifiers). Super squishy bots like Leech and Hawk need Last Stand pretty badly IMHO. I definitely run it on my Nightingale and those 4.5 seconds can make all the difference in being able to take flight again when the fur is flying. Phantom is also a Yes to Last Stand. I believe your false sense of “need” is exactly what makes Pix Pix.
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Post by no pain 80 on Feb 22, 2021 10:15:26 GMT -5
Last Scam is a necessary, if not a must, mod in Champions League. I now have all premium mods, all maxed, and with one Last Stand for each and every bot in my lineup. It does not make one lazy, or inapt, player. It just increases one's survivability, and odds to change the course of any game. As for the question why not all Champions League players have them, my answer is there are newly arrived players who found themselves playing in Champions League in no time. They wouldnt have the time, or resources, to equip their bots properly. For one, I built my arsenal over years with commitment. If you are not paying for it then there is a long and difficult road ahead, especially more so, on the face of scarcity of resources, and countless channels to spend them.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Feb 22, 2021 10:18:54 GMT -5
^^^This was quite constructive.^^^ Thanks. I often run Last Stand but not always. I don't run it on Fenrir (3 HAKs w/Bernadette Legendary Pilot) and I don't run it on Shell (3 Fortifiers). Super squishy bots like Leech and Hawk need Last Stand pretty badly IMHO. I definitely run it on my Nightingale and those 4.5 seconds can make all the difference in being able to take flight again when the fur is flying. Phantom is also a Yes to Last Stand. I believe your false sense of “need” is exactly what makes Pix Pix. Needs/Wants F2P/P2W Games/Work Family/Friends I like to win. That's Pix's real hook. I "need" to tweak my win rate via a Last Stand but there's no beating Pix at their game. I play (and pay for) their game as I see fit.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Feb 22, 2021 10:22:50 GMT -5
Last Scam is a necessary, if not a must, mod in Champions League. I now have all premium mods, all maxed, and with one Last Stand for each and every bot in my lineup. It does not make one lazy, or inapt, player. It just increases one's survivability, and odds to change the course of any game. As for the question why not all Champions League players have them, my answer is there are newly arrived players who found themselves playing in Champions League in no time. They wouldnt have the time, or resources, to equip their bots properly. For one, I built my arsenal over years with commitment. If you are not paying for it then there is a long and difficult road ahead, especially more so, on the face of scarcity of resources, and countless channels to spend them. The problem with Last Stand is the expense. Dang. A level 1 Last Stand is almost useless and to get it to level 6 you have to sell a kidney. I have 5 maxed Last Stand modules but it took me a loooong time to get there.
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Post by hi5 on Feb 22, 2021 10:53:13 GMT -5
IDK, maybe more and more players have grown a pair and donât need to be 「misspelled kitty cats」 about the game......maybe..... For myself, I prefer jumping my Lance around rather than try to âhang onâ 10 more seconds......but, whatever....... In all seriousness, itâs to each their own. Over the years Iâve seen many principled stands by players against things in War Robots - âneverâ dashers, or specters, or shocktrains, or Last Stand, or PCs, or Drones, or phase shift. I refused phase shift for a long time myself and only started using it when you couldnât take a beacon with it - also won a purple chip with a health boost after using it if you are a no or limited spender then you pick the places to invest resources that fit your play style. Iâve always liked fast bots with high damage capabilities, and glass cannons work well with Last Stand.
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Post by santaclaus on Feb 22, 2021 11:09:18 GMT -5
Because for some bots/builds last stand isnât the optimal choice. For example: - Bots with shields, most noticeably those with recharging shields, get better value from fortifiers - Very Tanky bots get better value from a heavy armor kit, especially if they are maxing their healing. - Snipers get better value from thermonukes. - Squishy agile bots like a Strider or Rayker get better value from a cloaking unit. This. I have 3 mothballed last stands because they're not as good as other 「dookie」. Last stand buys you what 2 seconds? I get 2 seconds of life with active ultra heal. O get 2 seconds with the durability from Heavy Armor Kit. Of thermonuclear, I get a whole match of extra damage. I'm not wasting a slot on a thing that just prolongs my death by 2 seconds and absolutely nothing else.
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Post by foxypotato on Feb 22, 2021 11:09:20 GMT -5
Because it is a 「dookie」 module that ruins the fun of the fun of game and is an Ag pit. Its an OP module pix uses to scam you out of your Ag because you think you have to run one because it is so OP.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 13:40:56 GMT -5
^^^This was quite constructive.^^^ Thanks. I often run Last Stand but not always. I don't run it on Fenrir (3 HAKs w/Bernadette Legendary Pilot) and I don't run it on Shell (3 Fortifiers). Super squishy bots like Leech and Hawk need Last Stand pretty badly IMHO. I definitely run it on my Nightingale and those 4.5 seconds can make all the difference in being able to take flight again when the fur is flying. Phantom is also a Yes to Last Stand. I believe your false sense of “need” is exactly what makes Pix Pix. You know something? When I try really hard to try and think of something to say to the people about this last stand. I see you say this. And now I dont need to think anymore. Thank you. Lol.
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Post by Flaminius on Feb 22, 2021 14:05:30 GMT -5
5k gold plus 200m silver for it to be useful is a big old investment. Pix tosses around Overdrive units around like confetti (I have six) and they are worth having, even at level 1. Quite a few AC units sat in those module spots too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 14:07:49 GMT -5
Because it is a 「dookie」 module that ruins the fun of the fun of game and is an Ag pit. Its an OP module pix uses to scam you out of your Ag because you think you have to run one because it is so OP. I agree with you about ruin game and silver pit. Is loads of money to spend with little return. It make me cry in laughing when they no can figure why them silver piggybank always skinny. And these the ones will tell you that you NEED this and that (to be silver poor and NEED to spend real money). I no agree that last stand is op because it just save bot for few seconds. Only can trigger one time. Also, more them upgrade is longer time them take no damage. But is also more easy to trigger and let it pass. Before pix make hp bar dark is when last stand was problem. You try to kill bot and no idea why is no dying. Now is can see how much last stand you have. So is easy to know how to play red because I also know I got more damage power in my thermonuke. I got 10% more damage per TN over each last stand and most my guy have at least 2. I say better investment because them pay back silver every clip fire every bullet hit. Is no conditional unless you say must hit bot is condition lol Last stand pay back nothing while sitting on them bot. Now I know I have that much more power in damage over enemy with last stand. And they always confident before it get trigger. And them play like pansy scary oh no please mommy save me when them last stand get trigger. See the dark hp bar and automatically know this is true. THAT is the big disadvantage they will never concede. guy like me no want them concede lol I like when they think is so good for them. I still need to build things so no tell them. lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 14:24:33 GMT -5
Last Scam is a necessary, if not a must, mod in Champions League...... NO IT IS NOT Sorry. But I no use last stand on any bot I fight ever in this game. I have been in champion league 5 with more over 11k wing cup. I win a bunch of last stand in box and sell them One I win, and decide to throw on a strider with no weapon to die in beacon with it. And only upgrade it to level 2 because it need no more time then that to turn a beacon blue and die. I eat steady diet of last stand needers. THEY need last stand to play in champ It dont mean Everybody like wearing tight shorts as well
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Post by Garbage game on Feb 22, 2021 15:18:48 GMT -5
Last Scam is a necessary, if not a must, mod in Champions League...... NO IT IS NOT Sorry. But I no use last stand on any bot I fight ever in this game. I have been in champion league 5 with more over 11k wing cup. I win a bunch of last stand in box and sell them One I win, and decide to throw on a strider with no weapon to die in beacon with it. And only upgrade it to level 2 because it need no more time then that to turn a beacon blue and die. I eat steady diet of last stand needers. THEY need last stand to play in champ It dont mean Everybody like wearing tight shorts as well Letâs see some proof there buddy. I think itâs absolutely necessary in high Champ and S rank squad play. The biggest whale in our clan decided to run 3 Max overdrives on his 5 Hawks instead and absolutely got buttblasted by Scorps in every clan battle. If you save up and only upgrade them during overdrive events, maxing them is easy enough. All mine are maxed and Iâve spent 「fluffernutter」all on this 「dookie」 game
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Post by Pilot #RG# on Feb 22, 2021 15:35:58 GMT -5
I had survived many one on one battles and capping beacons because of last stand. Then I am not gonna argue that everyone MUST accept my experience only because I found it beneficial in my gameplay,
PS : I am working on three fortifiers for my typhon 👀. Of course there are time we prefer other modules over last stand,
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