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Post by Pilot #RG# on Feb 25, 2021 20:26:16 GMT -5
Dude, WHAT are you talking about?!? Who said anything about money? take a mod then x3? for last stand? it's x5, we weren't discussing every mod on a bot, just Last Stand. Again, no one mentioned spending MONEY, not sure why you keep bringing it up. Then you compare 15% damage to last stand somehow. I'm seriously getting the impression that we aren't having the same discussion. Not to speak for him but I'm pretty sure he means money as a factor for upgrading said gear. IE, calculating REAL money into the "investment Vs return ". You don't know who spent cash. That's a factor in the argument that he (and Artemis) has been discussing since page 1. Investment Vs return. Man, this argument is why there is no last stand which is an important module to win games. Then some brought return and real money etc into discussion and claimed that people who don’t use last stand has higher chance of winning. So last stand should be avoided. So another few specified that once you go up in your leagues and gets more competitive games, last stand becomes very vital for your returns / wins and top clans value it more. For that some people said that the top 1,2,3 clans they know don’t use them and he is in discussion with them. He can even go and hunt those people who spent unwisely their silver on last stand in battlefield and he always won his one on one battles against last stand users. Then screenshots were given to back people’s claim that once you go top tier clans or difficult leagues, last stand usage becomes important. There everyone load their hangar with powerful stuffs and within a moment they can wipe you off if last stand isn’t there. It’s clear that a one slot last stand usage has helped them to win and get more return as you progress when it’s combined with other modules by seeing the wide usage of the module. Now we are curious to see the mentioned top clans 1,2,3 which don’t use last stand and their hangars. Let’s not divert the topic and again pull back the discussion to where it started. We do agree we and other clans/players we specified in screenshots may be wrong and unwise for selecting last stand as one of the modules. Some detailed hangar explanations and screenshots of people at upper leagues who saw success without last stand ( which people mentioned ) could help us see how these people combine their bots, weapons and modules .... and improve our own gameplay. Please show the hangars of these intelligent wise people who figured that last stand should be avoided.
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Post by Garbage game on Feb 25, 2021 23:24:03 GMT -5
Not to speak for him but I'm pretty sure he means money as a factor for upgrading said gear. IE, calculating REAL money into the "investment Vs return ". You don't know who spent cash. That's a factor in the argument that he (and Artemis) has been discussing since page 1. Investment Vs return. Man, this argument is why there is no last stand which is an important module to win games. Then some brought return and real money etc into discussion and claimed that people who don’t use last stand has higher chance of winning. So last stand should be avoided. So another few specified that once you go up in your leagues and gets more competitive games, last stand becomes very vital for your returns / wins and top clans value it more. For that some people said that the top 1,2,3 clans they know don’t use them and he is in discussion with them. He can even go and hunt those people who spent unwisely their silver on last stand in battlefield and he always won his one on one battles against last stand users. Then screenshots were given to back people’s claim that once you go top tier clans or difficult leagues, last stand usage becomes important. There everyone load their hangar with powerful stuffs and within a moment they can wipe you off if last stand isn’t there. It’s clear that a one slot last stand usage has helped them to win and get more return as you progress when it’s combined with other modules by seeing the wide usage of the module. Now we are curious to see the mentioned top clans 1,2,3 which don’t use last stand and their hangars. Let’s not divert the topic and again pull back the discussion to where it started. We do agree we and other clans/players we specified in screenshots may be wrong and unwise for selecting last stand as one of the modules. Some detailed hangar explanations and screenshots of people at upper leagues who saw success without last stand ( which people mentioned ) could help us see how these people combine their bots, weapons and modules .... and improve our own gameplay. Please show the hangars of these intelligent wise people who figured that last stand should be avoided. Careful about asking for proof there bud xD. If someone could post some brief Steam and Android legend league analysis that would be great thanks. If I recall correctly, last time we had a Last Stand discussion things turned ugly and the thread got locked. If anything this is breathing some life back into the forums lmao
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Post by Garbage game on Feb 25, 2021 23:33:23 GMT -5
Oh I found the thread. war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/39221/last-stand-uselessFt: Thunderkiss (if you were having strange feelings of deja vu, well...) biancabashbots/knucklebloody/blastprincess/bonecollector alt, and yours truly. It was relevant last year, and without nerfs it still is super relevant now. Last Scam, Last Stan, yeah it’s AIDs and skill-less but it’s strong and you had your chance to invest in it, but ya didn’t
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 6:14:21 GMT -5
Okay first let me say many people writing too fast and furious for me respond to all at one time. Next let me say some need to take a drink of water and a breath. Maybe a chair too would be nice. In chatting one person before say everyone there must use thing. I say there are many in that place who no use thing. I say I talk to one to ask. Then show one. Before you feel to go stomping around in a huff like robot gestapo looking for more of these violators of the code..... Please take a moment to remember you first day in a class called logic 101. If you no take such class first lesson is called if a equal b then y or n. Before anyone say yeah okay maybe some guy there no use them instead is much dust get kick up. Is ok. It dont make sense to think if a certain percentage of people in any environment believe one thing it change the numbers. When people believe the world was flat no make it that way and thank the heavens for that huh? When someone say I no think is flat should no make the rest come running with pitchfork in hand in this day and age. Calmate un poco eh? I dont know every player ina the whole world of this or any other game. I play on steam. Yes. Some here sound like is some ptsd from steam. is okay lol. Yes from diamond we face champion and death squad and must learn to fight them while build first hangar all bot/weap to 1:9. It does puzzle me how some no figure that to make player become very serious adversary but that is okay as well. Good warrior no wan him name in light. Is another chat. I say that here to tell you I play the same many guy for long time. Maybe know 30 or 40 name and can name any 10 to 15 an a hurry maybe. I see many more recognize in battle and see new name all the time but forget them. But when mi chat about guy mi see in battle is the guy mi fighting all the time. Now I see a mention for someone ask to see top clan in steam so me take some screenshot for who want seeing: ok next thing is this. I have figure a way to solve this argument in a way for some. I am just getting my guy in squad together to do a test because I no have last stand enough to do it proper. Test go like this and tell me what you all think if is acceptable: Tyr vs tyr or any bot you guys figure better to do test with both same level weapon and bot. one all slot last stand one all slot thermonuke then they blast each other to see what happen. suggestion for weapon bot level and last stand level would be good from you guy expert with last stand. When we have this complete report will post with video
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Post by Pilot #RG# on Feb 26, 2021 7:09:55 GMT -5
@thearmorer Another diversion by intentionally skipping hangars of those top 3 clans which don’t use last stand. Now that the S-clan friend argument didn’t work, You announced yourself as the Pythagoras of war robots to setup own laboratory to prove even pix that their idea of last stand is flawed lol. Good luck ! Cheers ~
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Post by raidenii on Feb 26, 2021 10:23:15 GMT -5
How is this serious when you guys no mention MONEY in you side of the talking? Serious conversation should no forget important detail like you side of this try hard to cover with blanket. We talking INVESTMENT and VALUE so what santa saying is most valid in true. You get mod and to max you going to spend 200 million. And now you multiply by 3. So BEFORE you grind to spend the money... lets consider which one will help you make the money to help get it max? What He say is 3 TN give 15% more damage right from open the box. If you still no see how serious is that maybe the foolishness is in talking with people who like wearing glasses with wood lens. Dude, WHAT are you talking about?!? Who said anything about money? take a mod then x3? for last stand? it's x5, we weren't discussing every mod on a bot, just Last Stand. Again, no one mentioned spending MONEY, not sure why you keep bringing it up. Then you compare 15% damage to last stand somehow. I'm seriously getting the impression that we aren't having the same discussion. There are a lot of factors involved when deciding which module to get and upgrade. If your bot is not highly levelled (not enough HP) a Last Stand or Heavy Armor makes a big difference. Yes, you get 15% damage with 3x TNs BUT it also depends on how many weapons you have on the bot, the kind of damage output it delivers, etc. 15% is just ok, but if level that to maxed at 30% for 3 units, then that is a totally different ball game. If I use TN and remove Last Stand on my Rayker, it will go POOF in seconds if I make a wrong move. It only has 2 module slots, so I put a Heavy Armor and Last Stand which allows it to survive a much longer time and it is used to bring down AMs, AJs and Areses. I have extra 5% damage by using a pilot skill. That is one example why a TN does not work for every bot. As a matter of fact, 20% extra damage using 2x TNs might not be much for a Avenger + 2 x Shredders on my Rayker. Before you can deal more damage, the bot is gone. Going forward, I definitely will consider using 2x TNs + 1x Last Stand on the T4 bots. Since using the Cloaking Unit (L5) on my Hawk, I find it is very good. And should work great on the Rayker.
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Post by hi5 on Feb 26, 2021 11:11:41 GMT -5
Okay first let me say many people writing too fast and furious for me respond to all at one time. Next let me say some need to take a drink of water and a breath. Maybe a chair too would be nice. In chatting one person before say everyone there must use thing. I say there are many in that place who no use thing. I say I talk to one to ask. Then show one. Before you feel to go stomping around in a huff like robot gestapo looking for more of these violators of the code..... Please take a moment to remember you first day in a class called logic 101. If you no take such class first lesson is called if a equal b then y or n. Before anyone say yeah okay maybe some guy there no use them instead is much dust get kick up. Is ok. It dont make sense to think if a certain percentage of people in any environment believe one thing it change the numbers. When people believe the world was flat no make it that way and thank the heavens for that huh? When someone say I no think is flat should no make the rest come running with pitchfork in hand in this day and age. Calmate un poco eh? I dont know every player ina the whole world of this or any other game. I play on steam. Yes. Some here sound like is some ptsd from steam. is okay lol. Yes from diamond we face champion and death squad and must learn to fight them while build first hangar all bot/weap to 1:9. It does puzzle me how some no figure that to make player become very serious adversary but that is okay as well. Good warrior no wan him name in light. Is another chat. I say that here to tell you I play the same many guy for long time. Maybe know 30 or 40 name and can name any 10 to 15 an a hurry maybe. I see many more recognize in battle and see new name all the time but forget them. But when mi chat about guy mi see in battle is the guy mi fighting all the time. Now I see a mention for someone ask to see top clan in steam so me take some screenshot for who want seeing: ok next thing is this. I have figure a way to solve this argument in a way for some. I am just getting my guy in squad together to do a test because I no have last stand enough to do it proper. Test go like this and tell me what you all think if is acceptable: Tyr vs tyr or any bot you guys figure better to do test with both same level weapon and bot. one all slot last stand one all slot thermonuke then they blast each other to see what happen. suggestion for weapon bot level and last stand level would be good from you guy expert with last stand. When we have this complete report will post with video Thank you, I appreciate posting the images of top clans on steam as this is interesting to me as an iOS player. I also think your perspective on this is valid and valuable as it’s important to discuss strategy in a game that adds content so quickly and has a high cost/time to invest in new gear. It’s clear the value of Last Stand can vary depending on bot/build, league and even platform - hence the great points by all in this thread! I always appreciate testing and data, however I’m not sure your proposal would effectively measure the value. Last Stand is not typically a module that gets used in multiples because only the threshold stacks and not the invulnerability. AC is similar in that you rarely see players with 3 - one accomplishes enough to provide value, even at level 1. Im not sure what is the best way to test Thermonuclear Reactor vs Last Stand, perhaps as a 1v1 in a custom game as that better shows battle value of a module? But that has flaws as it can’t account for all factors such as skill/experience of the players, bot builds and even just luck. Similarly just measuring how many LL players use Last Stand has flaws in that having an existing max Last Stand provides incentive to keep it rather than maxing a new module which would have to be so overwhelmingly better so as to justify maxing it and replacing Last Stand. In short, I doubt there can be a definitive answer on this - just a good debate on the merits of each side!
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Post by raidenii on Feb 26, 2021 11:36:42 GMT -5
"Tyr vs tyr or any bot you guys figure better to do test with both same level weapon and bot. one all slot last stand one all slot thermonuke then they blast each other to see what happen."
The above is not a fair comparison at all. As mentioned before countless times and in other threads as well, 3x Last Stand does not make a bot any stronger, it just makes the Last Stand trigger a lot earlier. I can tell you closing my eyes, the one with 3x TNs will win. A fair comparison would be 3x TNs versus 2x TN + 1x Last Stand.
That again...there are just too many factors to consider, the bots and weapons used, the fighting conditions, etc. If the test is just to see which is better, by all means do so.
It is kind of a silly test shooting each other standing....that is not how it works in the battlefield. The one with no Last Stand might not survive if he is been attacked in all directions and is out of ammo even though he is dashing for cover, versus one that has enough time to get to cover. Staying in the game longer, can make a difference in winning the game.
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Post by santaclaus on Feb 26, 2021 11:56:03 GMT -5
Oh I found the thread. war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/39221/last-stand-uselessFt: Thunderkiss  (if you were having strange feelings of deja vu, well...) biancabashbots/knucklebloody/blastprincess/bonecollector alt, and yours truly. It was relevant last year, and without nerfs it still is super relevant now. Last Scam, Last Stan, yeah itâs AIDs and skill-less but itâs strong and you had your chance to invest in it, but ya didnât I didn't realize what serious 「dookie」 this is!
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Post by santaclaus on Feb 26, 2021 11:57:52 GMT -5
"Tyr vs tyr or any bot you guys figure better to do test with both same level weapon and bot. one all slot last stand one all slot thermonuke then they blast each other to see what happen." The above is not a fair comparison at all. As mentioned before countless times and in other threads as well, 3x Last Stand does not make a bot any stronger, it just makes the Last Stand trigger a lot earlier. I can tell you closing my eyes, the one with 3x TNs will win. A fair comparison would be 3x TNs versus 2x TN + 1x Last Stand. That again...there are just too many factors to consider, the bots and weapons used, the fighting conditions, etc. If the test is just to see which is better, by all means do so. It is kind of a silly test shooting each other standing....that is not how it works in the battlefield. The one with no Last Stand might not survive if he is been attacked in all directions and is out of ammo even though he is dashing for cover, versus one that has enough time to get to cover. Staying in the game longer, can make a difference in winning the game. I'm agreeable to that. 2tn and 1ls.. What's another alternative for the purposes of this test? 3tn Vs 1ls and haks or?...
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Post by no pain 80 on Feb 26, 2021 13:58:04 GMT -5
2x Overdrive + 1x Last Stand 3x Overdrive 2x bal + 1x Last Stand 3x bal 3x Heavy Armor Kit 3x cloak 1x cloak + 2x Overdrive 1x cloak + 2x tn
even fortifiers if one consider tyr going defensive mode.
for the sake of simplicity, I would compare/contrast 1xLS+2xTN vs. 3x TN, which is the main focus of the above discussions plus the source of disagrement
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Post by Garbage game on Feb 26, 2021 14:10:02 GMT -5
By your metrics a lvl 1 Thermonuclear Reactor is trash too. 5000Au for a 1% boost in damage? Last Stand offers something totally unique and completely broken to the game. Invulnerability while being able to shoot and cap beacons. You mention "being focused by everyone in your vicinity." You could technically get hit by 500 MK2 Gausses. You are INVULNERABLE. There have been so many times where Last Stand lets me reactivate my ability or get out of range in Ao Jun, Nightingale, Leech, Loki, the list goes on. And yes, winning matters a lot in terms of silver earned. At the height of Hawk stupidity, one would instantly take my Phantom from full hp to Last Stand with the beam. If I didn't have it I'd die and not cap center beacon or whatever. Sorry. But a lvl 1 thermonuke mod gives a 5% boost. You put the word invulnerable as if the 4.5 seconds of it is your whole game. The way I see it, last stand is like training wheels for a bicycle. Some will never take them off unless forced to. Others naturally wanna break them off to really learn how to RIDE. The investment part of the discussion is not really something you can argue. Numbers just are what they are. I've done some looking around and noticed that those with loads of last stands were relatively lower in silver counts (what's shown in screenshots anyway). And I'm not talking about by a few tens of millions. The armorer is in the half billion silver League so I'm inclined to think he got something figured out. Lol Missed this. You realize you can BUY silver with money right? And some people have billions of silver when they were playing in 2015 or whatever where you can get a million silver a match without having premium. Loads of Last Stand and lower silver is correlation not causation. Levelling meta equipment is expensive as hell and can be a reason why these people have lower silver counts. Armourer refuses to show his hangar so he could be running 20x MK2 Punisher Ts for all I know, which is dirt cheap to upgrade.
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Post by Garbage game on Feb 26, 2021 14:12:41 GMT -5
Okay first let me say many people writing too fast and furious for me respond to all at one time. Next let me say some need to take a drink of water and a breath. Maybe a chair too would be nice. In chatting one person before say everyone there must use thing. I say there are many in that place who no use thing. I say I talk to one to ask. Then show one. Before you feel to go stomping around in a huff like robot gestapo looking for more of these violators of the code..... Please take a moment to remember you first day in a class called logic 101. If you no take such class first lesson is called if a equal b then y or n. Before anyone say yeah okay maybe some guy there no use them instead is much dust get kick up. Is ok. It dont make sense to think if a certain percentage of people in any environment believe one thing it change the numbers. When people believe the world was flat no make it that way and thank the heavens for that huh? When someone say I no think is flat should no make the rest come running with pitchfork in hand in this day and age. Calmate un poco eh? I dont know every player ina the whole world of this or any other game. I play on steam. Yes. Some here sound like is some ptsd from steam. is okay lol. Yes from diamond we face champion and death squad and must learn to fight them while build first hangar all bot/weap to 1:9. It does puzzle me how some no figure that to make player become very serious adversary but that is okay as well. Good warrior no wan him name in light. Is another chat. I say that here to tell you I play the same many guy for long time. Maybe know 30 or 40 name and can name any 10 to 15 an a hurry maybe. I see many more recognize in battle and see new name all the time but forget them. But when mi chat about guy mi see in battle is the guy mi fighting all the time. Now I see a mention for someone ask to see top clan in steam so me take some screenshot for who want seeing: ok next thing is this. I have figure a way to solve this argument in a way for some. I am just getting my guy in squad together to do a test because I no have last stand enough to do it proper. Test go like this and tell me what you all think if is acceptable: Tyr vs tyr or any bot you guys figure better to do test with both same level weapon and bot. one all slot last stand one all slot thermonuke then they blast each other to see what happen. suggestion for weapon bot level and last stand level would be good from you guy expert with last stand. When we have this complete report will post with video Stop beating around the bush and show Steam legend league ladder and their equipment. You know exactly what you're doing. Top clans on Steam means nothing at all for this discussion since your're not showing ANY of their hangars
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 14:59:25 GMT -5
Sorry. But a lvl 1 thermonuke mod gives a 5% boost. You put the word invulnerable as if the 4.5 seconds of it is your whole game. The way I see it, last stand is like training wheels for a bicycle. Some will never take them off unless forced to. Others naturally wanna break them off to really learn how to RIDE. The investment part of the discussion is not really something you can argue. Numbers just are what they are. I've done some looking around and noticed that those with loads of last stands were relatively lower in silver counts (what's shown in screenshots anyway). And I'm not talking about by a few tens of millions. The armorer is in the half billion silver League so I'm inclined to think he got something figured out. Lol Missed this. You realize you can BUY silver with money right? And some people have billions of silver when they were playing in 2015 or whatever where you can get a million silver a match without having premium. Loads of Last Stand and lower silver is correlation not causation. Levelling meta equipment is expensive as hell and can be a reason why these people have lower silver counts. Armourer refuses to show his hangar so he could be running 20x MK2 Punisher Ts for all I know, which is dirt cheap to upgrade. Refusing to jump at your command is hardly refusing to show his hangar. I'm interested in knowing what authority you have to issue those kinds of challenges? I do like a spirited debate but not when there are animosity issues driving a side.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 15:01:29 GMT -5
Okay first let me say many people writing too fast and furious for me respond to all at one time. Next let me say some need to take a drink of water and a breath. Maybe a chair too would be nice. In chatting one person before say everyone there must use thing. I say there are many in that place who no use thing. I say I talk to one to ask. Then show one. Before you feel to go stomping around in a huff like robot gestapo looking for more of these violators of the code..... Please take a moment to remember you first day in a class called logic 101. If you no take such class first lesson is called if a equal b then y or n. Before anyone say yeah okay maybe some guy there no use them instead is much dust get kick up. Is ok. It dont make sense to think if a certain percentage of people in any environment believe one thing it change the numbers. When people believe the world was flat no make it that way and thank the heavens for that huh? When someone say I no think is flat should no make the rest come running with pitchfork in hand in this day and age. Calmate un poco eh? I dont know every player ina the whole world of this or any other game. I play on steam. Yes. Some here sound like is some ptsd from steam. is okay lol. Yes from diamond we face champion and death squad and must learn to fight them while build first hangar all bot/weap to 1:9. It does puzzle me how some no figure that to make player become very serious adversary but that is okay as well. Good warrior no wan him name in light. Is another chat. I say that here to tell you I play the same many guy for long time. Maybe know 30 or 40 name and can name any 10 to 15 an a hurry maybe. I see many more recognize in battle and see new name all the time but forget them. But when mi chat about guy mi see in battle is the guy mi fighting all the time. Now I see a mention for someone ask to see top clan in steam so me take some screenshot for who want seeing: ok next thing is this. I have figure a way to solve this argument in a way for some. I am just getting my guy in squad together to do a test because I no have last stand enough to do it proper. Test go like this and tell me what you all think if is acceptable: Tyr vs tyr or any bot you guys figure better to do test with both same level weapon and bot. one all slot last stand one all slot thermonuke then they blast each other to see what happen. suggestion for weapon bot level and last stand level would be good from you guy expert with last stand. When we have this complete report will post with video Stop beating around the bush and show Steam legend league ladder and their equipment. You know exactly what you're doing. Top clans on Steam means nothing at all for this discussion since your're not showing ANY of their hangars What is a legend ladder and why are you foaming at the mouth? Calm down. Sheesh
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Post by Garbage game on Feb 26, 2021 15:05:08 GMT -5
Stop beating around the bush and show Steam legend league ladder and their equipment. You know exactly what you're doing. Top clans on Steam means nothing at all for this discussion since your're not showing ANY of their hangars What is a legend ladder and why are you foaming at the mouth? Calm down. Sheesh Are we even playing the same game or are you in cahoots with the guy? Legend league ladder is a list of the top 100 players (in terms of Champion points) on your platform. You can view their hangars and stuff. Generally they have super optimized and levelled meta gear (since you need a lot of wins or at least top place finishes to climb).
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Post by Garbage game on Feb 26, 2021 15:08:29 GMT -5
Missed this. You realize you can BUY silver with money right? And some people have billions of silver when they were playing in 2015 or whatever where you can get a million silver a match without having premium. Loads of Last Stand and lower silver is correlation not causation. Levelling meta equipment is expensive as hell and can be a reason why these people have lower silver counts. Armourer refuses to show his hangar so he could be running 20x MK2 Punisher Ts for all I know, which is dirt cheap to upgrade. Refusing to jump at your command is hardly refusing to show his hangar. I'm interested in knowing what authority you have to issue those kinds of challenges? I do like a spirited debate but not when there are animosity issues driving a side. It's backing up statements with facts. It's a form of ethos that shows you have nothing to hide and that your opinion is of importance. Would you consider the opinion of some Bronze league guy vs what some Legend League player with 10,000 wins comes up with?
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Post by Pilot #RG# on Feb 26, 2021 20:36:39 GMT -5
Refusing to jump at your command is hardly refusing to show his hangar. I'm interested in knowing what authority you have to issue those kinds of challenges? I do like a spirited debate but not when there are animosity issues driving a side. It's backing up statements with facts. It's a form of ethos that shows you have nothing to hide and that your opinion is of importance. Would you consider the opinion of some Bronze league guy vs what some Legend League player with 10,000 wins comes up with? artemis said “Looks like you missed the post about S clans. Apparently last stand doesn't mean as much to them as many like to think it does. ”. Can you let us know based on what data you concluded this result ? Are you from S clan ? Or do you have any S clans you know which don’t use last stand ? I hope you won’t ask me what authority I have to validate your Pythogoras theorem of War Robots pythogras laboratory.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 26, 2021 21:24:29 GMT -5
Okay first let me say many people writing too fast and furious for me respond to all at one time. Next let me say some need to take a drink of water and a breath. Maybe a chair too would be nice. In chatting one person before say everyone there must use thing. I say there are many in that place who no use thing. I say I talk to one to ask. Then show one. Before you feel to go stomping around in a huff like robot gestapo looking for more of these violators of the code..... Please take a moment to remember you first day in a class called logic 101. If you no take such class first lesson is called if a equal b then y or n. Before anyone say yeah okay maybe some guy there no use them instead is much dust get kick up. Is ok. It dont make sense to think if a certain percentage of people in any environment believe one thing it change the numbers. When people believe the world was flat no make it that way and thank the heavens for that huh? When someone say I no think is flat should no make the rest come running with pitchfork in hand in this day and age. Calmate un poco eh? I dont know every player ina the whole world of this or any other game. I play on steam. Yes. Some here sound like is some ptsd from steam. is okay lol. Yes from diamond we face champion and death squad and must learn to fight them while build first hangar all bot/weap to 1:9. It does puzzle me how some no figure that to make player become very serious adversary but that is okay as well. Good warrior no wan him name in light. Is another chat. I say that here to tell you I play the same many guy for long time. Maybe know 30 or 40 name and can name any 10 to 15 an a hurry maybe. I see many more recognize in battle and see new name all the time but forget them. But when mi chat about guy mi see in battle is the guy mi fighting all the time. Now I see a mention for someone ask to see top clan in steam so me take some screenshot for who want seeing: ok next thing is this. I have figure a way to solve this argument in a way for some. I am just getting my guy in squad together to do a test because I no have last stand enough to do it proper. Test go like this and tell me what you all think if is acceptable: Tyr vs tyr or any bot you guys figure better to do test with both same level weapon and bot. one all slot last stand one all slot thermonuke then they blast each other to see what happen. suggestion for weapon bot level and last stand level would be good from you guy expert with last stand. When we have this complete report will post with video Stop beating around the bush and show Steam legend league ladder and their equipment. You know exactly what you're doing. Top clans on Steam means nothing at all for this discussion since your're not showing ANY of their hangars I already did this earlier up in the thread. Steam/FBGR
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 21:38:26 GMT -5
Okay first let me say many people writing too fast and furious for me respond to all at one time. Next let me say some need to take a drink of water and a breath. Maybe a chair too would be nice. In chatting one person before say everyone there must use thing. I say there are many in that place who no use thing. I say I talk to one to ask. Then show one. Before you feel to go stomping around in a huff like robot gestapo looking for more of these violators of the code..... Please take a moment to remember you first day in a class called logic 101. If you no take such class first lesson is called if a equal b then y or n. Before anyone say yeah okay maybe some guy there no use them instead is much dust get kick up. Is ok. It dont make sense to think if a certain percentage of people in any environment believe one thing it change the numbers. When people believe the world was flat no make it that way and thank the heavens for that huh? When someone say I no think is flat should no make the rest come running with pitchfork in hand in this day and age. Calmate un poco eh? I dont know every player ina the whole world of this or any other game. I play on steam. Yes. Some here sound like is some ptsd from steam. is okay lol. Yes from diamond we face champion and death squad and must learn to fight them while build first hangar all bot/weap to 1:9. It does puzzle me how some no figure that to make player become very serious adversary but that is okay as well. Good warrior no wan him name in light. Is another chat. I say that here to tell you I play the same many guy for long time. Maybe know 30 or 40 name and can name any 10 to 15 an a hurry maybe. I see many more recognize in battle and see new name all the time but forget them. But when mi chat about guy mi see in battle is the guy mi fighting all the time. Now I see a mention for someone ask to see top clan in steam so me take some screenshot for who want seeing: ok next thing is this. I have figure a way to solve this argument in a way for some. I am just getting my guy in squad together to do a test because I no have last stand enough to do it proper. Test go like this and tell me what you all think if is acceptable: Tyr vs tyr or any bot you guys figure better to do test with both same level weapon and bot. one all slot last stand one all slot thermonuke then they blast each other to see what happen. suggestion for weapon bot level and last stand level would be good from you guy expert with last stand. When we have this complete report will post with video Stop beating around the bush and show Steam legend league ladder and their equipment. You know exactly what you're doing. Top clans on Steam means nothing at all for this discussion since your're not showing ANY of their hangars I told you once already about jumping at me to show proof. You need anger management class. Go sign up. I no can help you with you problem. I no here for you personal problem. I no going to tell you again. Foolishness make a man think is something to gain from if you believe in what or not. Is something in the mail for me if you somebody everybody or nobody believe is magic me telling you all? What keeping them so in hurry to know from getting the free thing like everybody else? Go look and find the thing you so froggy to lick. Is right there. I no have special key. I tell you what there is to gain for me is to keep the money ina mi pocket meant to send here for the perk offering. No perk worth dealin with nobody and problem ina dem mind.
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Post by santaclaus on Feb 26, 2021 21:49:33 GMT -5
What is a legend ladder and why are you foaming at the mouth? Calm down. Sheesh Are we even playing the same game or are you in cahoots with the guy? Legend league ladder is a list of the top 100 players (in terms of Champion points) on your platform. You can view their hangars and stuff. Generally they have super optimized and levelled meta gear (since you need a lot of wins or at least top place finishes to climb). I'm on Android and I can't see any hangar on LL. What's the deal? Also everyone keep in mind what we're arguing with whom. So far there are 3 separate points of contention. -does Last Stand improve play -does Last Stand return investment (versus other mods) -is Last Stand required for top play On the subject of real money, you can never know who spent cash on what... Last Stand or TN..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 21:50:55 GMT -5
Stop beating around the bush and show Steam legend league ladder and their equipment. You know exactly what you're doing. Top clans on Steam means nothing at all for this discussion since your're not showing ANY of their hangars I already did this earlier up in the thread. Steam/FBGR thank you because i findin out now about why is there asking for different from the screenshot mi put up earlier. what is curious to me about the asking is the search. Is for to find the screenshot of the guy mi put up is a fake? Ok is a fake. Mi use photoshop and make it. So now that make what change for the talk? This is what mi just no can undastand. But is ok lol
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Post by santaclaus on Feb 26, 2021 21:54:47 GMT -5
It's backing up statements with facts. It's a form of ethos that shows you have nothing to hide and that your opinion is of importance. Would you consider the opinion of some Bronze league guy vs what some Legend League player with 10,000 wins comes up with? artemis said “Looks like you missed the post about S clans. Apparently last stand doesn't mean as much to them as many like to think it does. ”. Can you let us know based on what data you concluded this result ? Are you from S clan ? Or do you have any S clans you know which don’t use last stand ? I hope you won’t ask me what authority I have to validate your Pythogoras theorem of War Robots pythogras laboratory. Why so sarcastic though? Me personally, I don't know how but I was on an S Canadian clan for a few months and my hangar is not what you imagine am S hangar looks like. So definitely S clan players with no Last Stand. Because I was one. I believe my main hangar at the time was kid, inquisitor, mercury, nemesis, hover, and Leo. That was 4 months ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 22:17:47 GMT -5
Refusing to jump at your command is hardly refusing to show his hangar. I'm interested in knowing what authority you have to issue those kinds of challenges? I do like a spirited debate but not when there are animosity issues driving a side. It's backing up statements with facts. It's a form of ethos that shows you have nothing to hide and that your opinion is of importance. Would you consider the opinion of some Bronze league guy vs what some Legend League player with 10,000 wins comes up with? Yeah but the thing is that's exactly what happened. Somebody kinda willy nilly made a statement like it was just a commonly accepted fact. As far as I can tell, there was enough who thought the 'evidence' armorer brought up was enough to support HIS rebuttal. And now it's like the other side just wants to retaliate. Asking for ten times more in order to try and discredit. It's hard to describe, but it's getting slightly uncomfortable.
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Post by Pilot #RG# on Feb 26, 2021 22:20:23 GMT -5
artemis said “Looks like you missed the post about S clans. Apparently last stand doesn't mean as much to them as many like to think it does. ”. Can you let us know based on what data you concluded this result ? Are you from S clan ? Or do you have any S clans you know which don’t use last stand ? I hope you won’t ask me what authority I have to validate your Pythogoras theorem of War Robots pythogras laboratory. Why so sarcastic though? Me personally, I don't know how but I was on an S Canadian clan for a few months and my hangar is not what you imagine am S hangar looks like. So definitely S clan players with no Last Stand. Because I was one. I believe my main hangar at the time was kid, inquisitor, mercury, nemesis, hover, and Leo. That was 4 months ago. It’s amazing that you sustained in champ league with that hangar !!! Because it’s very tough to be part of s clan squad matches with those bots tbh. Especially when you brawl against death squats without last stand. So much respect 👍
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Post by santaclaus on Feb 26, 2021 22:23:31 GMT -5
It's backing up statements with facts. It's a form of ethos that shows you have nothing to hide and that your opinion is of importance. Would you consider the opinion of some Bronze league guy vs what some Legend League player with 10,000 wins comes up with? Yeah but the thing is that's exactly what happened. Somebody kinda willy nilly made a statement like it was just a commonly accepted fact. As far as I can tell, there was enough who thought the 'evidence' armorer brought up was enough to support HIS rebuttal. And now it's like the other side just wants to retaliate. Asking for ten times more in order to try and discredit. It's hard to describe, but it's getting slightly uncomfortable. This. I mean Garbage Game you're a pretty big moderate, but you're getting kind of cranky at this. It's not like you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 22:25:38 GMT -5
What is a legend ladder and why are you foaming at the mouth? Calm down. Sheesh Are we even playing the same game or are you in cahoots with the guy? Legend league ladder is a list of the top 100 players (in terms of Champion points) on your platform. You can view their hangars and stuff. Generally they have super optimized and levelled meta gear (since you need a lot of wins or at least top place finishes to climb). I have issues with cyber bullying ever since I lost my kid sister to it. The way you come off is very aggressive just like a bully. If somebody posts something or writes or does whatever on their own free will, that's one thing. But when you try to impose your will and brow beat someone into doing as you want for them to satisfy some demand of yours... Well that's being a bully mister. And I'm just never going to be okay with anybody acting like that. Even if we Are just talking about a video game. There's better ways to act with people. Even if you disagree with them.
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Post by santaclaus on Feb 26, 2021 22:26:26 GMT -5
Why so sarcastic though? Me personally, I don't know how but I was on an S Canadian clan for a few months and my hangar is not what you imagine am S hangar looks like. So definitely S clan players with no Last Stand. Because I was one. I believe my main hangar at the time was kid, inquisitor, mercury, nemesis, hover, and Leo. That was 4 months ago. It’s amazing that you sustained in champ league with that hangar !!! Because it’s very tough to be part of s clan squad matches with those bots tbh. Especially when you brawl against death squats without last stand. So much respect 👍 As much as I'd love to silently take praise from you.. I was never in champs, that's why I said I dunno how I ever managed to get in an S clan. I'm in expert.
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Post by santaclaus on Feb 26, 2021 22:31:46 GMT -5
Are we even playing the same game or are you in cahoots with the guy?  Legend league ladder is a list of the top 100 players (in terms of Champion points) on your platform. You can view their hangars and stuff. Generally they have super optimized and levelled meta gear (since you need a lot of wins or at least top place finishes to climb).  I have issues with cyber bullying ever since I lost my kid sister to it. The way you come off is very aggressive just like a bully. If somebody posts something or writes or does whatever on their own free will, that's one thing. But when you try to impose your will and brow beat someone into doing as you want for them to satisfy some demand of yours... Well that's being a bully mister. And I'm just never going to be okay with anybody acting like that. Even if we Are just talking about a video game. There's better ways to act with people. Even if you disagree with them. ...i feel like I have to step in here... Is he getting agitated in this thread? Sure. But I can't put GG and bully in the same sentence. Also, I mean... Have you seen some of the 「dookie」 *I* write(assuming it's still up)? I totally disagree with Garbage in this thread, but a bully, nope.
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Post by Pilot #RG# on Feb 26, 2021 22:37:20 GMT -5
Are we even playing the same game or are you in cahoots with the guy? Legend league ladder is a list of the top 100 players (in terms of Champion points) on your platform. You can view their hangars and stuff. Generally they have super optimized and levelled meta gear (since you need a lot of wins or at least top place finishes to climb). I'm on Android and I can't see any hangar on LL. What's the deal? Also everyone keep in mind what we're arguing with whom. So far there are 3 separate points of contention. -does Last Stand improve play -does Last Stand return investment (versus other mods) -is Last Stand required for top play On the subject of real money, you can never know who spent cash on what... Last Stand or TN.. Man, you missed the conversation then. The argument was going at the points you said. When Loganspawn wrote that in S clan champ league matches last stand is so vital, Artemis said logan was wrong, there are S clan doesn’t care about last stand and Armorer said many top 1,2,3 S clan members of his platform don’t use last stand and he even had discussion with them about it ... We have no problem against anyone who are here giving their opinions and experience. We are only asking from where these S clan conclusions derived from. That’s all.
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