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Post by Deadeye on Dec 14, 2020 12:53:04 GMT -5
  Changed things up a little for the next tournament....obviously I will need to tweak it once i know what maps we will be using. Not sure what you switched it from, but I might make a small tweak to that line up. And this is just a suggestion based on my experience. The Javs on the Guardian and the MR8s on the Panther...switch those. The MR8 guardian is one of the most solid mid-game brawlers. The ability to get rid of the shield makes the MR8s do actual damage to tanks instead of popping shields. The Panther is a bit faster 2 and the shield can help cover a retreat when you inevitably need to do so. Javs are awesome, but strategic retreat is a key component to good Jav play. Just my thoughts. Good luck in the Tourney regardless! |
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 14, 2020 14:36:32 GMT -5
I would do it a bit different.. try it out and see which way works for you. I like having the Jav of a fast mobile mech. Panther is fast but KS is faster. A good common tactic is to bring down a target's HP with the Javs and finish off with the Melee Dash. The Panther does really well with RPG6. The RPG6 has great utility at many ranges. It's like a jack of all trades weapon and the Panther is the jack of all trades mech. Put the PC6 on the Ares until you get the PC8.
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Post by dukeofadvil on Dec 14, 2020 14:47:22 GMT -5
Changed things up a little for the next tournament....obviously I will need to tweak it once i know what maps we will be using. Not sure what you switched it from, but I might make a small tweak to that line up. And this is just a suggestion based on my experience. The Javs on the Guardian and the MR8s on the Panther...switch those. The MR8 guardian is one of the most solid mid-game brawlers. The ability to get rid of the shield makes the MR8s do actual damage to tanks instead of popping shields. The Panther is a bit faster 2 and the shield can help cover a retreat when you inevitably need to do so. Javs are awesome, but strategic retreat is a key component to good Jav play. Just my thoughts. Good luck in the Tourney regardless! Thanks for the info. This is why I love this community. Everyone is out to make each of us more competitive. I actually picked up the RM8's for my Guardian(just got them today), but i normally run Panther right out of the gate and i was getting a little practice with my new toy without changing my normal bot order at the beginning of the game. Glad i got a little time on them....I need to learn to keep my finger off the trigger until I'm ready with these bad babies. I cannot tell you how many times i accidentally fired them.🤣 Jav6's to Panther & RM8's to Guardian next time I log on. |
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Post by dukeofadvil on Dec 14, 2020 15:29:17 GMT -5
I would do it a bit different.. try it out and see which way works for you. I like having the Jav of a fast mobile mech. Panther is fast but KS is faster. A good common tactic is to bring down a target's HP with the Javs and finish off with the Melee Dash. The Panther does really well with RPG6. The RPG6 has great utility at many ranges. It's like a jack of all trades weapon and the Panther is the jack of all trades mech. Put the PC6 on the Ares until you get the PC8. I understand the KS Jav6 combo is favored, but my dexterity $u<k$ and I cannot hit the broad side of a barn with Melee. I know I keep saying I need to practice with this bot more, but I kinda like winning. |
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Post by frunobulax on Dec 14, 2020 16:55:09 GMT -5
Looking back, I think in general the differences between power levels are way too steep. For example it is extremely hard for a player with 2-star stuff to compete against 3-star stuff(assuming both are human). But unless you draw massive player crowds, the matchmaking will have to mix such players, making games not competetive. It doesn't help if the difference gets less noticable once you get to 4-star stuff, if you have no way to get there if you have only 30 minutes or one hour per day and can't earn any premium currency besides the what, 30 for daily tasks or whatever? They've tweaked the MM some lately (and I'm starting to think it's for the better), but (if I remember correctly) the biggest issue for you was the timing of the tournaments (European players are kinda screwed) and that tournaments are the only real way to gain significant currency. This hasn't changed yet unfortunately. I wouldn't have minded this as much if the battles had been better. But being thrown into matches with AIs that were stupid but ran way OP weapons, along with humans that were either too weak or too strong to provide balanced battles, eliminated the tactical element too much. Combine this with weak rewards (=weak incentives) given my time restrictions, both time of day and total time I'm willing to spend... |
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Post by Deadeye on Dec 14, 2020 17:37:43 GMT -5
They've tweaked the MM some lately (and I'm starting to think it's for the better), but (if I remember correctly) the biggest issue for you was the timing of the tournaments (European players are kinda screwed) and that tournaments are the only real way to gain significant currency. This hasn't changed yet unfortunately. I wouldn't have minded this as much if the battles had been better. But being thrown into matches with AIs that were stupid but ran way OP weapons, along with humans that were either too weak or too strong to provide balanced battles, eliminated the tactical element too much. Combine this with weak rewards (=weak incentives) given my time restrictions, both time of day and total time I'm willing to spend... As I said, the MM did get better recently (in the last week or so), so it might be worth it to see if it's more fun, but the rewards are still all Tourney based as I said. Worth it to try again if you're still interested in the game. |
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 15, 2020 8:17:59 GMT -5
Just ran one game so far in Tournament today. Won easily even though I wasn't trying hard as I was distracted - chose the minute to sign into my work...lol. I'll try again later and report back. It's Heat 1 today, so it should be relatively easy.
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Post by Deadeye on Dec 15, 2020 11:17:52 GMT -5
That will be good to hear, so thanks. I'm doing my week differently to have an extra day off. I'm starting tomorrow and only doing 4 days in a row. Less potential reward, but hopefully less competition and stress and effort. I don't need as many a-coins now anyway.
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Post by dukeofadvil on Dec 15, 2020 12:02:49 GMT -5
 MM pretty good, not scoring too much, solo only so far....but obviously enough for the W's |
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 15, 2020 15:42:03 GMT -5
MM isn't bad today. My problem is not having enough time to catch up to the try hards today. Oh well.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 15, 2020 16:39:51 GMT -5
MM isn't bad today. My problem is not having enough time to catch up to the try hards today. Oh well. Glad it’s better for you, cos it sure as hell isn’t for me. First TDM match today, other hangars were at least close to mine. Since then they’re ALL several hundred stronger, and kills are very hard to come by. I’m used to owning these matches; best I can do now is 4-5 kills and 2nd or 3rd place. Hell, I’ve had several games lately with just 2 kills. It’s just a waste of tickets and not even worth playing without at least one good human teammate. Rewards are so damn slow in coming, I haven’t upgraded anything in over a week. It’s not like I’m killing it in CPC, either - I’ve got way more losses than wins there too, so I have no idea what is going on here. Aside from one game today, I have not seen anything close to a fair matchup in a couple of weeks now. |
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Post by punishingcossack on Dec 15, 2020 16:44:47 GMT -5
MM isn't bad today. My problem is not having enough time to catch up to the try hards today. Oh well. Glad it’s better for you, cos it sure as hell isn’t for me. First TDM match today, other hangars were at least close to mine. Since then they’re ALL several hundred stronger, and kills are very hard to come by. I’m used to owning these matches; best I can do now is 4-5 kills and 2nd or 3rd place. Hell, I’ve had several games lately with just 2 kills. It’s just a waste of tickets and not even worth playing without at least one good human teammate. Rewards are so damn slow in coming, I haven’t upgraded anything in over a week. It’s not like I’m killing it in CPC, either - I’ve got way more losses than wins there too, so I have no idea what is going on here. Aside from one game today, I have not seen anything close to a fair matchup in a couple of weeks now. what's your SP? And how strong are the hangars you face in CPC and tourney? Are they AI's? |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 15, 2020 16:54:11 GMT -5
Glad it’s better for you, cos it sure as hell isn’t for me. First TDM match today, other hangars were at least close to mine. Since then they’re ALL several hundred stronger, and kills are very hard to come by. I’m used to owning these matches; best I can do now is 4-5 kills and 2nd or 3rd place. Hell, I’ve had several games lately with just 2 kills. It’s just a waste of tickets and not even worth playing without at least one good human teammate. Rewards are so damn slow in coming, I haven’t upgraded anything in over a week. It’s not like I’m killing it in CPC, either - I’ve got way more losses than wins there too, so I have no idea what is going on here. Aside from one game today, I have not seen anything close to a fair matchup in a couple of weeks now. what's your SP? And how strong are the hangars you face in CPC and tourney? Are they AI's? Three best mechs I can pull together is 1328. I’m not running any more because all it does is pad the enemy kill count; if I can’t make three mechs last the match, it’s probably a hopeless cause anyway. And yeah, mostly all AI’s, hangars all in the 1600-1800’s. If they’re human players, their hangars are usually even stronger, like over 2000. Takes me at least 4 salvos to kill anything, by which time an AI has usually already stollen the kill. Case in point, my last game: total garbage.  |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 16, 2020 1:08:04 GMT -5
Oh, this one takes the cake.  |
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Post by BigBear on Dec 16, 2020 7:20:44 GMT -5
I played a few tourney games last night and seemed to come up against a few clans or players tagging together (or MM just screwed me),I was just wasting tickets so gave up.I haven't logged into the game yet today to see my standing as I'm feeling like I don't really care.I enjoy playing CPC more but the trickle of winnings V the huge cost of upgrading or purchasing new items is reducing my interest in the game.Same hanger for a month now apart from the odd upgrade,and three bots waiting on A coin upgrades but no where near enough A coin to do it.And I'm not investing more money into the game as I'm not seeing any real development in the game or any real interest from the developers.
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 16, 2020 8:28:25 GMT -5
I ended up in 7th place yesterday, so very little in the way of resource rewards. TBO, it was more from lack of time than anything else. I did manage several CPC games that were fun and even managed to get the "play 3 matches with friends" for 25 A-coins task. I found Shadow with Jav6 to be useful on the map yesterday, but today, with the map being all CQC, I'll likely stick to Zephyr with MR8. I remember having great success with Guardian and MR8 for those who don't have the Zephyr yet.
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Post by Old-Cat on Dec 16, 2020 8:46:41 GMT -5
I ended up in 7th place yesterday, so very little in the way of resource rewards. TBO, it was more from lack of time than anything else. I did manage several CPC games that were fun and even managed to get the "play 3 matches with friends" for 25 A-coins task. I found Shadow with Jav6 to be useful on the map yesterday, but today, with the map being all CQC, I'll likely stick to Zephyr with MR8. I remember having great success with Guardian and MR8 for those who don't have the Zephyr yet. I can unlock the Zephyr tomorrow. I’ve saved for it but I’m not so sure I’ll get it now. I have three mech that work just fine and Acoins are so hard to get I don’t know if want another mech to upgrade. Plus , I’m not a big fan of the guardian and it seems to just be an upgrade on it. Maybe I’m missing something? |
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Post by Munki on Dec 16, 2020 11:12:08 GMT -5
I ended up in 7th place yesterday, so very little in the way of resource rewards. TBO, it was more from lack of time than anything else. I did manage several CPC games that were fun and even managed to get the "play 3 matches with friends" for 25 A-coins task. I found Shadow with Jav6 to be useful on the map yesterday, but today, with the map being all CQC, I'll likely stick to Zephyr with MR8. I remember having great success with Guardian and MR8 for those who don't have the Zephyr yet. I can unlock the Zephyr tomorrow. I’ve saved for it but I’m not so sure I’ll get it now. I have three mech that work just fine and Acoins are so hard to get I don’t know if want another mech to upgrade. Plus , I’m not a big fan of the guardian and it seems to just be an upgrade on it. Maybe I’m missing something? What are your three mechs that you use, Old-Cat ? The Zephyr starts at Rank 4 so there is not a ton of upgrading to do. How many blueprints do you have for it? I am using Zephyr, Killshot, and Panther as my core three mechs and am willing to take them to rank 5. Gotta make choices on what to upgrade past rank 3 level 7 due to costs. Weapon-wise, I like the MR8 and will mix in TL6 on the Zephyr so I can put the other MR8 on with a Carb12 on my Panther. Killshot gets the Jav6 or Shotgun4 as the mainstays though the Killshot does well with a pair of MR8s on it. |
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Post by Old-Cat on Dec 16, 2020 12:32:53 GMT -5
I can unlock the Zephyr tomorrow. I’ve saved for it but I’m not so sure I’ll get it now. I have three mech that work just fine and Acoins are so hard to get I don’t know if want another mech to upgrade. Plus , I’m not a big fan of the guardian and it seems to just be an upgrade on it. Maybe I’m missing something? What are your three mechs that you use, Old-Cat ? The Zephyr starts at Rank 4 so there is not a ton of upgrading to do. How many blueprints do you have for it? I am using Zephyr, Killshot, and Panther as my core three mechs and am willing to take them to rank 5. Gotta make choices on what to upgrade past rank 3 level 7 due to costs. Weapon-wise, I like the MR8 and will mix in TL6 on the Zephyr so I can put the other MR8 on with a Carb12 on my Panther. Killshot gets the Jav6 or Shotgun4 as the mainstays though the Killshot does well with a pair of MR8s on it. I run a Jug, Killshot and Panther. All of them are at lv 4 and so are their weapons. Each of these mechs fits a specific role I have in mind for tournaments. I just cant see pulling anything out of the lineup. However, I suspect CPC may be a completely different story as the game develops. No blue prints yet. Again i may be missing something. |
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Post by punishingcossack on Dec 16, 2020 17:21:43 GMT -5
I ended up in 7th place yesterday, so very little in the way of resource rewards. TBO, it was more from lack of time than anything else. I did manage several CPC games that were fun and even managed to get the "play 3 matches with friends" for 25 A-coins task. I found Shadow with Jav6 to be useful on the map yesterday, but today, with the map being all CQC, I'll likely stick to Zephyr with MR8. I remember having great success with Guardian and MR8 for those who don't have the Zephyr yet. I can unlock the Zephyr tomorrow. I’ve saved for it but I’m not so sure I’ll get it now. I have three mech that work just fine and Acoins are so hard to get I don’t know if want another mech to upgrade. Plus , I’m not a big fan of the guardian and it seems to just be an upgrade on it. Maybe I’m missing something? a levelled up Guardian is a beast, and it also has a higher max EN capacity than zephyr. Zephyr is not a direct and clear upgrade over the G. |
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Post by Deadeye on Dec 17, 2020 15:54:38 GMT -5
I ended up in 7th place yesterday, so very little in the way of resource rewards. TBO, it was more from lack of time than anything else. I did manage several CPC games that were fun and even managed to get the "play 3 matches with friends" for 25 A-coins task. I found Shadow with Jav6 to be useful on the map yesterday, but today, with the map being all CQC, I'll likely stick to Zephyr with MR8. I remember having great success with Guardian and MR8 for those who don't have the Zephyr yet. I can unlock the Zephyr tomorrow. I’ve saved for it but I’m not so sure I’ll get it now. I have three mech that work just fine and Acoins are so hard to get I don’t know if want another mech to upgrade. Plus , I’m not a big fan of the guardian and it seems to just be an upgrade on it. Maybe I’m missing something? Yes, you are missing something. The Zephyr is not purchased with A-coins. Save 'em, use credits and get the dang thing. It's awesome! |
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Post by mechtout on Dec 18, 2020 1:07:41 GMT -5
Okay, finally got one. tried switching things up and started two hours before tourney ended, and did a mad sprint  |
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Post by punishingcossack on Dec 18, 2020 4:53:35 GMT -5
Okay, finally got one. tried switching things up and started two hours before tourney ended, and did a mad sprint you can even do it for just the last 45-60m, that way you don't need to spend more than the 12 free tickets per day |
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Post by Old-Cat on Dec 18, 2020 22:53:55 GMT -5
I can unlock the Zephyr tomorrow. I’ve saved for it but I’m not so sure I’ll get it now. I have three mech that work just fine and Acoins are so hard to get I don’t know if want another mech to upgrade. Plus , I’m not a big fan of the guardian and it seems to just be an upgrade on it. Maybe I’m missing something? Yes, you are missing something. The Zephyr is not purchased with A-coins. Save 'em, use credits and get the dang thing. It's awesome! LOL. Yes sir .. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 20, 2020 12:25:41 GMT -5
Goddammit this game has gotten so 「fluffernutter」ing frustrating. I’ll say it again - if you have no friends to squad with, don’t even bother playing tournament. I finally had a couple of games today where I had top mech, but got crap for rewards from them because I lost them both. Why? Because less-than-worthless AI ‘teammates’ did NOTHING other than run around in circles and push me into enemy line of fire all 「gosh darn 」 game long. I am not imagining this 「dookie」 - AI did everything possible to make sure those games were lost.
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Post by reconnecting on Dec 20, 2020 13:56:25 GMT -5
Goddammit this game has gotten so 「fluffernutter」ing frustrating. I’ll say it again - if you have no friends to squad with, don’t even bother playing tournament. I finally had a couple of games today where I had top mech, but got crap for rewards from them because I lost them both. Why? Because less-than-worthless AI ‘teammates’ did NOTHING other than run around in circles and push me into enemy line of fire all 「gosh darn 」 game long. I am not imagining this 「dookie」 - AI did everything possible to make sure those games were lost. I'll be on in an hour or so if you want to play. AI does seem to get in my way alot. And red AI is super powered these days. Haven't gotten much in rewards this week. |
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