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Post by Koalabear on Oct 6, 2020 8:07:46 GMT -5
So, like many, I bought the Ares during my first week for RM and instantly thought: "wow, what an OP bot!" But, as I climbed the leagues, I ended up playing the Ares further and further out until it's now a sniper sporting the LA8s. I've found that for me, it's the best sniper bot in the game as that frontal shield is strong and lets you take a breath and really aim. There are still times when I miss like crazy but heck, that's not because of the mech.
Anyway, ever since I got my Jugg to R4, I've found that it is actually the better overall tank. Sure, it's shield isn't as strong, but it protects from all angles and it reloads faster. Sometimes though, I find I'm walking around with a sliver of shield left and I'm hoping to find a red who would just hit me enough to take that sliver off and then let me hide for 10s while it recharges. Doesn't always work though.
Anyway, CPC games are getting tougher with tougher opponents and higher leveled weapons. I'm thinking of bringing the Ares back into a tank role as you often need the Ares' ability to push and bully its way into red territory. Also, in CPC games, you only get the good sniper maps about half or less than half the time. I only have 3 8en weapons though: MR8, PC8 and LA8. I guess I'm back to saving/pining for the Carbine 8!
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Post by ᥣᵃᵛᵃʲᵃᵛᵃ on Oct 6, 2020 8:20:56 GMT -5
Ha! My Ares is my main tank boi - R4.4 and rocking the MR8s (also R4.4). Love it, but a bit 'peek-a-boo' whilst recharging. Jugg has the PC8s and I play it like Terminator - just walking and spraying!
Edit to add: I'm facing more and more AI with Carbines now and they hurt! I'm miles away from those goodies yet, mind.
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Post by Koalabear on Oct 6, 2020 11:13:38 GMT -5
Ha! My Ares is my main tank boi - R4.4 and rocking the MR8s (also R4.4). Love it, but a bit 'peek-a-boo' whilst recharging. Jugg has the PC8s and I play it like Terminator - just walking and spraying! Edit to add: I'm facing more and more AI with Carbines now and they hurt! I'm miles away from those goodies yet, mind. If you have Guardian, the MR8 feels like it's made for that mech. Bait a Jugg or Ares into 30m or less range, System Crash, and then double whammy. Of course, if their HP is more than what your MR8 can deal out, you better hoof it into cover asap! lol. |
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 6, 2020 11:46:10 GMT -5
So, like many, I bought the Ares during my first week for RM and instantly thought: "wow, what an OP bot!" But, as I climbed the leagues, I ended up playing the Ares further and further out until it's now a sniper sporting the LA8s. I've found that for me, it's the best sniper bot in the game as that frontal shield is strong and lets you take a breath and really aim. There are still times when I miss like crazy but heck, that's not because of the mech. Anyway, ever since I got my Jugg to R4, I've found that it is actually the better overall tank. Sure, it's shield isn't as strong, but it protects from all angles and it reloads faster. Sometimes though, I find I'm walking around with a sliver of shield left and I'm hoping to find a red who would just hit me enough to take that sliver off and then let me hide for 10s while it recharges. Doesn't always work though. Anyway, CPC games are getting tougher with tougher opponents and higher leveled weapons. I'm thinking of bringing the Ares back into a tank role as you often need the Ares' ability to push and bully its way into red territory. Also, in CPC games, you only get the good sniper maps about half or less than half the time. I only have 3 8en weapons though: MR8, PC8 and LA8. I guess I'm back to saving/pining for the Carbine 8! Don't sleep on the SB12/TL4 (or eventually TL6 CAN'T WAIT). It can be a devastating combo. I would consider it a medium range weapon set. It's relatively easy to aim, requires sustained fire (perfect for a tank) and is particularly deadly in groups. This is especially true when you and a buddy can get an angle on the guy. Someone's hitting him from the side or back. Status effects rock, though the single TL4 doesn't get mech's to the overhead stage as quickly as it needs to. The TL6 does it twice as fast though. Just need to get the tanks to rank 5 is all. |
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Post by Koalabear on Oct 6, 2020 12:13:14 GMT -5
I thought about getting the SB12 last week when I saw it. It's not too expensive, but I passed on it. Was worried that I might be spending too much on this game. Is the SB12 like the LA10 in that you only get one of it? I did recently throw some levels at my TL6, and my Guardian technically can carry a SB12 and a TL6 together. That would free up my MR8 for my Ares. It's only 2825 A-coins to buy with ingame currency so that's not too bad.
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 6, 2020 12:19:42 GMT -5
I thought about getting the SB12 last week when I saw it. It's not too expensive, but I passed on it. Was worried that I might be spending too much on this game. Is the SB12 like the LA10 in that you only get one of it? I did recently throw some levels at my TL6, and my Guardian technically can carry a SB12 and a TL6 together. That would free up my MR8 for my Ares. It's only 2825 A-coins to buy with ingame currency so that's not too bad. Yes, you get one, but it pairs well with other stuff. I have other plans besides the SB/TL combo. I've run the SB12 with a PC8 on my guardian. It's not bad, but the ranges don't mesh well. Ideally, besides the SB/TL, I want to put the SB12 next to the Carbine 12 on an R5 Panther or Guardian and see how that does. I imagine things exploding instantly, but that's just wishful thinking. lol |
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Post by Commander Dog on Oct 6, 2020 12:52:05 GMT -5
I was thinking pairing the SB12 with a LA8 on my Panther. Does that combo work?
I'm tempted by the SB12, but it would use up a lot of my resources to get the above platform ready.
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Post by Koalabear on Oct 6, 2020 13:42:42 GMT -5
I was thinking pairing the SB12 with a LA8 on my Panther. Does that combo work? I'm tempted by the SB12, but it would use up a lot of my resources to get the above platform ready. I think that would pair really well. Basically, I see it working like the old fashioned Treb/Gekko Natasha. Use the SB12 to "light up" the target and slow it down to boot, and then unleash the LA8 while continuing to drain the target with the SB12. Should be deadly. And, if you get mobbed up close, the SB12 should still work decently well to do damage and slow your attacker so that you can hopefully get away. Ok, I'm convinced! I'll start saving my A-coins for the SB12. I'll probably pair it with the TL6 on my Guardian since its the only mech capable of that combination (thanks to my mistake last month in ranking it up). Then, if/when I rank up my Ares again, I'll likely pair do the SB12/LA8 combo. |
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 6, 2020 15:08:06 GMT -5
I was thinking pairing the SB12 with a LA8 on my Panther. Does that combo work? I'm tempted by the SB12, but it would use up a lot of my resources to get the above platform ready. I would say no, it doesn't pair well. I know what you're trying to do, but the freeze effect takes too long to accumulate with the SB12. SB16 maybe, but you'd have to ask someone like ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 about how long it takes to freeze. I don't own one yet. And if you're going that route, you might as well save for the Railgun which uses 16 energy. It pairs perfectly with the LA8. |
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Post by Redfiend on Oct 6, 2020 15:42:48 GMT -5
DeadeyeThe TL 4 only induces overheat with it's reload amount (20 "ammo" iirc) at rank 4+.
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 6, 2020 16:13:41 GMT -5
Deadeye The TL 4 only induces overheat with it's reload amount (20 "ammo" iirc) at rank 4+. Makes sense. I can't induce overhead with mine at 2.7 with just the reload. I don't want to pay for the upgrade to 3 and 4 only to replace it with the TL6 eventually. I'd rather spend that currency on upgrading the Ares. |
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Post by Commander Dog on Oct 6, 2020 17:44:27 GMT -5
I was thinking pairing the SB12 with a LA8 on my Panther. Does that combo work? I'm tempted by the SB12, but it would use up a lot of my resources to get the above platform ready. I would say no, it doesn't pair well. I know what you're trying to do, but the freeze effect takes too long to accumulate with the SB12. SB16 maybe, but you'd have to ask someone like ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 about how long it takes to freeze. I don't own one yet. And if you're going that route, you might as well save for the Railgun which uses 16 energy. It pairs perfectly with the LA8. Good to know. Thank you. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 6, 2020 18:09:31 GMT -5
I was thinking pairing the SB12 with a LA8 on my Panther. Does that combo work? I'm tempted by the SB12, but it would use up a lot of my resources to get the above platform ready. I would say no, it doesn't pair well. I know what you're trying to do, but the freeze effect takes too long to accumulate with the SB12. SB16 maybe, but you'd have to ask someone like ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 about how long it takes to freeze. I don't own one yet. And if you're going that route, you might as well save for the Railgun which uses 16 energy. It pairs perfectly with the LA8. The 16 is pretty damned good. It's not an end all be all weapon, but it can get that effect going pretty quickly. I don't remember exact numbers but I know that I don't usually have to expose my bot too long in order to get it to take effect.
I use the TL 4 with it on my Panther right now... but I can't wait to use the TL6. Like you and Mr. Fiend said, the 4 takea a bit to cause an Overheat status. I compensate for that by trying to hit anyone in my target area that has already been overheated or has been hit by someone else's TL or LA and partially been overheated. I gotta say, when that OH effect happens, though, that SB16 will just drain the HP bar in moments.
It's quite satisfying lol.
BTW... for anyone who has used the TL a lot... the damage difference between the SB and the TL is significant and surprised me the first time I killed someone with it in mere seconds... Granted, in higher divisions (lower? IDK, you know what I mean though  ) it takes a bit more to kill with it, but the Freeze accumulation is still pretty quick.
Commander Dog , the LA 8 would prolly be good with the 16, but I don't know about the 12, like Deadeye said, the rate of freeze accumulation is pretty slow in comparison to the 16. |
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Post by Redfiend on Oct 6, 2020 18:33:29 GMT -5
On rank 4 heavy bots(20 EN) you're probably better off going with Pulse 8 if you want to pair the stasis 12 with damage output.
Otherwise stasis 16 and TL4 will probably serve the energy limit better.
As stated above though, TL4 is kind of limited. So, unless you're a masochist like me, only run it while you have to, or just forgo stasis until 16/24 EN if you want to run the lance combo.
It's worth noting that both stasis beams gain a 20% boost to statis application at rank 5, but that can be a long ways away due to the material costs. Running into R5/R6 AI running R5/6 versions of this weapon is a nightmare.
I eventually want to troll with a big chill Panther (2x Stasis 12).
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Post by ᥣᵃᵛᵃʲᵃᵛᵃ on Oct 7, 2020 0:53:57 GMT -5
I'm running a SB16 and TL4 on my Panther now, it is a great combo - yes the TL is still only low rank so no overheat - but most bots get drained within the time my stasis fence is up. Just gotta remember that KS's can dash through them! I'm in two minds whether to rank up the TL4, or wait 'as-is' until Panther ranks up (long way off, mind) and swap to the TL6. Resource management - love that constant shifting field.
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 7, 2020 10:26:02 GMT -5
On rank 4 heavy bots(20 EN) you're probably better off going with Pulse 8 if you want to pair the stasis 12 with damage output. Otherwise stasis 16 and TL4 will probably serve the energy limit better. As stated above though, TL4 is kind of limited. So, unless you're a masochist like me, only run it while you have to, or just forgo stasis until 16/24 EN if you want to run the lance combo. It's worth noting that both stasis beams gain a 20% boost to statis application at rank 5, but that can be a long ways away due to the material costs. Running into R5/R6 AI running R5/6 versions of this weapon is a nightmare. I eventually want to troll with a big chill Panther (2x Stasis 12).  |
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Post by mechtout on Oct 7, 2020 13:57:23 GMT -5
If I ever get the Carbine 8, I'll rank up my Ares. Enjoying the PC8's on the Jugg
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Post by Koalabear on Oct 7, 2020 14:44:51 GMT -5
If I ever get the Carbine 8, I'll rank up my Ares. Enjoying the PC8's on the Jugg Yeah, that's my plan too. Then, I can finally put the LA8 to rest and enjoy some good old fashioned bullet magnetism on the Ares again. Or, I might pick up the SB12 and pair it with the TL6, throw those on my Guardian and throw my MR8 onto the Ares. |
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) it takes a bit more to kill with it, but the Freeze accumulation is still pretty quick. 