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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 12, 2016 20:45:24 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the actual penalty is for WSP and Brit bots is? Are they different from each other? Main tiers I want to know about is low and high silver, as to decide whether they are viable in those tiers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 23:08:36 GMT -5
Penalty for Wsp/britbots is 20% of your STRONGEST bot. There is no use using them under high silver/low gold as ALL of your bots will have to be handicapped to keep them any lower.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 12, 2016 23:13:52 GMT -5
Penalty for Wsp/britbots is 20% of your STRONGEST bot. There is no use using them under high silver/low gold as ALL of your bots will have to be handicapped to keep them any lower. Ah ok, makes sense. I am sure that using a full hangar of Brit/WSP bots would be effective, but honestly that's just a waste of resources IMO. Thanks for the reply by the way  |
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Post by couchtrader on Nov 12, 2016 23:47:51 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the actual penalty is for WSP and Brit bots is? Are they different from each other? Main tiers I want to know about is low and high silver, as to decide whether they are viable in those tiers. Hi Camper! Yes, they are viable in High Silver - Low Gold ( Trash Gold / Garbage Gold ). I'm actually planning on a full Galahad hangar. Here are the setups and bots that should work consistently Galahad and Fujin ---- 4-9/8/8; 5-8/8/7; 6-8/7/7; 8-7/6/6 Gareth ---- 4-9/9; 5-9/8; 6-8/8; 7-8/7; 8-7/7; 9-7/6 I'm currently running a Galahad 8-7/6/6. There's only a 1 kmh diff from top speed ( L9 ) without sacrificing firepower too much. As for the Gareth, I'm running 9-7/6 and 4-9/9. It gets top speed at L9 ( 60 kmh ) making it 2 kmh faster than a Gep. |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 13, 2016 0:18:32 GMT -5
High silver and gold you should be able to upgrade your gareth 1 bot level and 1 weapon level higher than your galahad, as it is a light robot. I have found this from personal testing in low gold.
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Post by couchtrader on Nov 13, 2016 1:51:07 GMT -5
High silver and gold you should be able to upgrade your gareth 1 bot level and 1 weapon level higher than your galahad, as it is a light robot. I have found this from personal testing in low gold. The setups i posted are the ones that we tested in both solo and squad play. You can use any combo as long as they fall within those bot -wep limits. Any higher and MM throws you into solid gold territory, we even came across some near max players. |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 13, 2016 1:59:56 GMT -5
Ah ok, I'd probably be using the Galahad at no lower than lvl 6 or 7, as it's speed and shield durability is what makes it an effective bot.
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Post by soldier1357 on Nov 14, 2016 16:16:26 GMT -5
Hi, I recently posted about how I should go to High Silver. I was planning on using 6/8 Ag heavies and a 7/9 Boa. If I swapped one of my heavies for a Galahad, am I correct in thinking that because of the britbot penalty I would need to bring my heavies all down to 6/5 and my Boa and Galahad to 7/8 to remain in high silver?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 18:25:45 GMT -5
I was told there would be no math in this. So if Im running a medium hangar at lvl 7, with weapons at lvl 9,
how high can I run a Galahad/Rhino/Rog/etc. My Galahads are at 2-9/9/9 (seem to have a tiny impact. I notice that the Stalker (lvl 4 with level 4 Geps and lvl 4 Shutz) jacks me up, but not really with Rog/Car, Fuj - lvl6 Carn and Rog, lvl 4 Fuj). The Rog and Carn need to come up to 7 (need a little more HP). The lvl 4 Fuj need a couple lvl buffs. The mediums are at lvl 7 - Golem, Boa, Vitz, Patton.
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Post by trustmeimdoctor on Nov 14, 2016 21:12:26 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the actual penalty is for WSP and Brit bots is? Are they different from each other? Main tiers I want to know about is low and high silver, as to decide whether they are viable in those tiers. I play 3 5/7 Galahads and seem to get matched in low silver mostly. Bad setups, bad bots, and I just crush them. I can get tossed up to gold at times, and my Galahads still do very well there despite the lower level of bot and weapons I bring. So I can at least tell you they are very viable in silver. You could even drop a level from what I have and be very effective. Brit bot and WSP bot penalty is 20% from what I read, and they do not stack. |
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Post by soldier1357 on Nov 14, 2016 21:18:54 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the actual penalty is for WSP and Brit bots is? Are they different from each other? Main tiers I want to know about is low and high silver, as to decide whether they are viable in those tiers. I play 3 5/7 Galahads and seem to get matched in low silver mostly. Bad setups, bad bots, and I just crush them. I can get tossed up to gold at times, and my Galahads still do very well there despite the lower level of bot and weapons I bring. So I can at least tell you they are very viable in silver. You could even drop a level from what I have and be very effective. Brit bot and WSP bot penalty is 20% from what I read, and they do not stack. When you get matched in low silver what other level bots/weps do you use besides the galahads? |
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Post by trustmeimdoctor on Nov 14, 2016 21:39:58 GMT -5
I play 3 5/7 Galahads and seem to get matched in low silver mostly. Bad setups, bad bots, and I just crush them. I can get tossed up to gold at times, and my Galahads still do very well there despite the lower level of bot and weapons I bring. So I can at least tell you they are very viable in silver. You could even drop a level from what I have and be very effective. Brit bot and WSP bot penalty is 20% from what I read, and they do not stack. When you get matched in low silver what other level bots/weps do you use besides the galahads? I use a 6/6 Rogatka and a 5/7 Carnage currently. From what I have read on the matchmaking guide my Rogatka is slightly above the other mediums, but it doesn't seem to push me up much. |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 14, 2016 22:27:16 GMT -5
Well I calculated the 20% MM penalty for my entire hangar for low silver (as if you have a WSP bot or BRIT bot in your hangar you are effectively penalising your entire hangar, as the penalty applies to the Highest rated bot in hangar), 4/9 mediums have to be changed to 4/6 (meaning galahad max for low silver is 4/6 or 6/5), and light bots have to be changed from 4/12 to 4/9. If you are playing 5/7 galahads, you are likely in high silver.
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Post by trustmeimdoctor on Nov 14, 2016 22:48:00 GMT -5
Well I calculated the 20% MM penalty for my entire hangar for low silver (as if you have a WSP bot or BRIT bot in your hangar you are effectively penalising your entire hangar, as the penalty applies to the Highest rated bot in hangar), 4/9 mediums have to be changed to 4/6 (meaning galahad max for low silver is 4/6 or 6/5), and light bots have to be changed from 4/12 to 4/9. If you are playing 5/7 galahads, you are likely in high silver. I am playing against terrible Leo, Natasha, Patton, Carnage, Fujin, and Griffon setups mostly. Not many have a weapon above level 6 or 7, and their bot levels are around 6 for heavies. I see that as low silver. Maybe I am wrong, but they are trash regardless. I don't know the tiers that well. That's just where I feel I'm at with my 5/7's. |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 14, 2016 22:52:50 GMT -5
Well I calculated the 20% MM penalty for my entire hangar for low silver (as if you have a WSP bot or BRIT bot in your hangar you are effectively penalising your entire hangar, as the penalty applies to the Highest rated bot in hangar), 4/9 mediums have to be changed to 4/6 (meaning galahad max for low silver is 4/6 or 6/5), and light bots have to be changed from 4/12 to 4/9. If you are playing 5/7 galahads, you are likely in high silver. I am playing against terrible Leo, Natasha, Patton, Carnage, Fujin, and Griffon setups mostly. Not many have a weapon above level 6 or 7, and their bot levels are around 6 for heavies. I see that as low silver. Maybe I am wrong, but they are trash regardless. I don't know the tiers that well. That's just where I feel I'm at with my 5/7's. Yeah if you see heavies above 6/5 it's in high silver. There are lots of terrible setups in pretty much every tier really  |
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Post by trustmeimdoctor on Nov 14, 2016 23:04:07 GMT -5
I am playing against terrible Leo, Natasha, Patton, Carnage, Fujin, and Griffon setups mostly. Not many have a weapon above level 6 or 7, and their bot levels are around 6 for heavies. I see that as low silver. Maybe I am wrong, but they are trash regardless. I don't know the tiers that well. That's just where I feel I'm at with my 5/7's. Yeah if you see heavies above 6/5 it's in high silver. There are lots of terrible setups in pretty much every tier really I do see heavies above that regularly, but it's mixed with lower level stuff as well. Mostly with terrible setups, as I mentioned. It could be high silver for all I know. But it is easy to wreck them with the bots I'm using. They mostly do not have shields, and they have no problem coming at me in 1 on 1 situations that I know they'll lose. |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 14, 2016 23:10:17 GMT -5
Of course, galahad is one of the best bots in the game.
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Post by soldier1357 on Nov 14, 2016 23:19:59 GMT -5
Well I calculated the 20% MM penalty for my entire hangar for low silver (as if you have a WSP bot or BRIT bot in your hangar you are effectively penalising your entire hangar, as the penalty applies to the Highest rated bot in hangar), 4/9 mediums have to be changed to 4/6 (meaning galahad max for low silver is 4/6 or 6/5), and light bots have to be changed from 4/12 to 4/9. If you are playing 5/7 galahads, you are likely in high silver. I am playing against terrible Leo, Natasha, Patton, Carnage, Fujin, and Griffon setups mostly. Not many have a weapon above level 6 or 7, and their bot levels are around 6 for heavies. I see that as low silver. Maybe I am wrong, but they are trash regardless. I don't know the tiers that well. That's just where I feel I'm at with my 5/7's. So would 6/8 heavies have to be changed to 6/5 heavies if I were to use a Galahad and stay in high silver? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 23:27:46 GMT -5
6/6 should be fine. Rhino can be 4/7 at the same rating. If you do end up having to downgrade to 6/5, use all mediums at your penalty bot level and box heavies until you start running 10/10 (low gold-top)
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Post by couchtrader on Nov 15, 2016 0:01:26 GMT -5
I was told there would be no math in this. So if Im running a medium hangar at lvl 7, with weapons at lvl 9, how high can I run a Galahad/Rhino/Rog/etc. My Galahads are at 2-9/9/9 (seem to have a tiny impact. I notice that the Stalker (lvl 4 with level 4 Geps and lvl 4 Shutz) jacks me up, but not really with Rog/Car, Fuj - lvl6 Carn and Rog, lvl 4 Fuj). The Rog and Carn need to come up to 7 (need a little more HP). The lvl 4 Fuj need a couple lvl buffs. The mediums are at lvl 7 - Golem, Boa, Vitz, Patton. Hi dethhilt. 7-9 mediums = 650 HP fits in with Heavy 6-6 = 655 HP. From our clan experiment, Trash Gold threshold is right at Heavy 6-7/7/6/6 = 675HP. Any heavy with this setup is stable for this tier with the exception of Lancelot, which we haven't tested yet. A Heavy 6-7/7/7/7 is good but I noticed some legit Low Gold pilots start to get mixed in. Pixonic has confirmed in an email that Galahad has a 20% MM penalty. Galahad 8-7/6/6 = 563 HP 563 + 20% = 675.6 so it fits nicely with a Heavy 6-7/7/6/6 Setups for Galahad and Fujin:
L4 - 9/8/8
L5 - 8/8/7
L6 - 8/7/7
L7 - 7/7/6
L8 - 7/6/6
L9 - 6/6/5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 0:15:25 GMT -5
So would 4-9/9/9 Galahads work with 7-9/9/9 medium silver bots?
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Post by trustmeimdoctor on Nov 15, 2016 0:31:31 GMT -5
So would 4-9/9/9 Galahads work with 7-9/9/9 medium silver bots? No, because the MM penalty applies to your strongest bot from my understanding. You'd still want to keep your bot scores equal for their respective weight classes. |
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Post by couchtrader on Nov 15, 2016 1:01:59 GMT -5
So would 4-9/9/9 Galahads work with 7-9/9/9 medium silver bots? If you already have it, then you should try it for at least a couple of matches. Win or lose, you will get a feel of what tier you're in. We have been testing this in clan squad play for a couple of weeks now (maybe more? ) . Ideally, the values shouldn't go over 675. The setups I posted above are all within this value. Galahad 4 - 9/9/9 = 590 590+20% = 708.. which throws you into Low Gold. Good news is, mediums with 2 hard points can go L7 - 10/9 BTW... what's your setup for the Patton-Mag in silver? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 22:33:22 GMT -5
I drift between high silver and low gold depending on MM. My Mag Patton is a 6,7 bot with 7/7/7/7
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Post by couchtrader on Nov 16, 2016 2:59:28 GMT -5
I drift between high silver and low gold depending on MM. My Mag Patton is a 6,7 bot with 7/7/7/7 Do you get matched against high leveled bots - low leveled weps, Players with low win percentages, less than 5 hangar slots, tougher matches but very winnable games? Then welcome to Trash Gold!!  At this level, we use 6-9 mediums. Thanks for the tip! I can't wait to try my 6-9 Mag-Patton. As for the Galahad, I use a level 8-7/6/6 - I could probably get away with all 7s but the matches won't be as consistent. |
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Post by Loop_Stratos on Nov 16, 2016 5:21:31 GMT -5
If i run Galahad/WSP bots, the max levels of other bots become equal with the Galahad/WSP bots, correct?
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Post by couchtrader on Nov 16, 2016 5:37:24 GMT -5
If i run Galahad/WSP bots, the max levels of other bots become equal with the Galahad/WSP bots, correct? If you run max level bots, then Britbots / Wsp bot levels doesn't matter. Pixonic only confirmed the 20 % MM penalty but didn't specify the levels it was applicable to. I hope I understood your question correctly. |
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Post by Loop_Stratos on Nov 16, 2016 8:56:39 GMT -5
If i run Galahad/WSP bots, the max levels of other bots become equal with the Galahad/WSP bots, correct? If you run max level bots, then Britbots / Wsp bot levels doesn't matter. Pixonic only confirmed the 20 % MM penalty but didn't specify the levels it was applicable to. I hope I understood your question correctly. I mean like, if my carnage/galahad stays in high silver at 4/8, then having other mediums in 4/8 won't bump me up, right? Thanks in advance. |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Nov 16, 2016 9:01:59 GMT -5
I mean like, if my carnage/galahad stays in high silver at 4/8, then having other mediums in 4/8 won't bump me up, right? Thanks in advance. Yeah, your entire hangar will effectively have a MM penalty. |
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