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Post by T34 on Sept 17, 2020 0:51:06 GMT -5
I rejoined mainly for Mech Arena. I don't play War Robots much other than to clear tasks although the drones/chips make for fun trolling so there is that. Love to simultaneously freeze/lockdown players from 500+ yards using my Scourge Leech. If Pix is reading this board, I would definitely pay $100 for a drone that has 3 circle slots with 20+ energy. Nothing says broken game like being able to freeze, lockdown, AND suppress with weapons that should never be able to do that. If anyone is contemplating building trolling setups I would recommend using tasers on either a Leech or on a Blitz. The Blitz has the added benefit of being able to suppress on its own. Tasers are the fastest/most reliable ones to get the effect (flame family is faster but you've got to hit a moving target in real life with the flames). Edit: LOL! I see Pix DOES have a drone with the circle slots for $100 in today's offers... now I actually have to decide. Good to hear from you and great work as always. Some aspects of drones have broken the game for sure but not sure whether by design or because of bugs. There are other combos which make the currently easy to access drones/chips absolutely stupid. When MA is downloadable in my region i will definitely have a look. I am finding this game more and more boring with each release.
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Post by Grrrega on Sept 17, 2020 4:34:03 GMT -5
Thank you Happy fun Ball! Do effects stack? Does 2 T4 chips mean 4% accumulation? So a Leech with 4 Scourges and 2 T4 freezers (or lockdowners/suppressors) would do it in 0.7s? I just ran a test with my tier 2 and tier 4 suppressor chips stacked using a Scourge at varying distances (50, 100, 200, 400, 550, 595m) from the Ravana. The average time to suppression was 4.48 seconds. The tier 4 alone takes an average of 5.78 seconds. The tier 2 alone takes an average of 15.17 seconds. So they do stack. The one caveat is that if they stacked completely the time of the combined chips should have been about 4.20 seconds rather than the 4.48 seconds observed. Unsure if they don't stack linearly or if I've changed the way I am simultaneously starting the clock and the firing or if I've changed how I stop the test. Could be a bit of all. If it is a real effect then the time is 6% higher than what it should be if they truly stack (1- 4.20/4.48) or the tier 2 chip is only being valued by Pix at 75% of what it would be worth alone. For some reason I could see Pix doing that. Thanks for asking; its always good to question underlying beliefs/assumptions. As for actually stacking chips on a Scourge Leech, I probably wouldn't do so unless I were stacking tier 2 chips. I normally can find a window where my target is distracted to start the burn on him/her; they can't fire back before they are suppressed. Adding a second effect to the suppression probably has more benefits. If the target is frozen, any additional damage is +20%. Locking them down prevents them from getting into cover. Thank you! Pixo math is weird anyways. On wiki it says Scourge unloads in 11 seconds and holds 110 charges, so 10 charges per second. A T4 chip gives you 2% accumulation so you need 50 charges/bullets for 100%. So a scourge and a T4 should do it in 5s flat, no?
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Post by Happy Fun Ball on Sept 17, 2020 7:16:11 GMT -5
I just ran a test with my tier 2 and tier 4 suppressor chips stacked using a Scourge at varying distances (50, 100, 200, 400, 550, 595m) from the Ravana. The average time to suppression was 4.48 seconds. The tier 4 alone takes an average of 5.78 seconds. The tier 2 alone takes an average of 15.17 seconds. So they do stack. The one caveat is that if they stacked completely the time of the combined chips should have been about 4.20 seconds rather than the 4.48 seconds observed. Unsure if they don't stack linearly or if I've changed the way I am simultaneously starting the clock and the firing or if I've changed how I stop the test. Could be a bit of all. If it is a real effect then the time is 6% higher than what it should be if they truly stack (1- 4.20/4.48) or the tier 2 chip is only being valued by Pix at 75% of what it would be worth alone. For some reason I could see Pix doing that. Thanks for asking; its always good to question underlying beliefs/assumptions. As for actually stacking chips on a Scourge Leech, I probably wouldn't do so unless I were stacking tier 2 chips. I normally can find a window where my target is distracted to start the burn on him/her; they can't fire back before they are suppressed. Adding a second effect to the suppression probably has more benefits. If the target is frozen, any additional damage is +20%. Locking them down prevents them from getting into cover. Thank you! Pixo math is weird anyways. On wiki it says Scourge unloads in 11 seconds and holds 110 charges, so 10 charges per second. A T4 chip gives you 2% accumulation so you need 50 charges/bullets for 100%. So a scourge and a T4 should do it in 5s flat, no? Didn't know that. Remember that the progress bar will naturally empty over time so there's a competition going on. I think that's why its not 5 seconds flat.
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Post by Grrrega on Sept 17, 2020 8:25:44 GMT -5
But than T4 and T2 should take even less than 4.2s, because there is less time to "bleed". Weird.
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Post by alphaomega001 on Sept 17, 2020 10:05:32 GMT -5
So they can come out with these Chips that basically depends on which one you get can do various abilities for various seconds but these 「fluffernutter」ers canât fix lag and other 「dookie」ty issues .But hey Pix will take your money with no issue!!!! 「fluffernutter」 them !!!!
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Sept 17, 2020 11:14:44 GMT -5
So they can come out with these Chips that basically depends on which one you get can do various abilities for various seconds but these ?fluffernutter?ers canâ??t fix lag and other ?dookie?ty issues .But hey Pix will take your money with no issue!!!! ?fluffernutter? them !!!! Their answer to all of the performance issues is: Remastered. Remains to be seen just what difference it makes... I assume playability will get better. MismatchMaker and power creep? Nefarious monetization? Not so much hope that any of that will get better.
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Post by shivaswrath on Sept 17, 2020 20:46:57 GMT -5
BTW...I've been fighting pix customer support and they finally fessed up:
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Post by reconnecting on Sept 23, 2020 12:33:27 GMT -5
So what do the tier 1 chips that we all get do? I have seen almost no effect from effect chips.
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Post by Happy Fun Ball on Sept 23, 2020 17:32:53 GMT -5
Here's an update to the medium weapons with the tier 4 suppressor chip. I've added several more weapons. Ballista is not shown but was able to suppress when fully charged. Tulumbas and Hussars were just beginning to go from burst mode to continuous damage mode when they suppressed. I don't have the following so didn't test: Ions, Vortex, Shocktrain. I didn't try Wasp even though I have it.
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Post by californiamaki on Sept 28, 2020 23:00:17 GMT -5
So looking back at the data, a few things stand out: a) For the taser family (including Calamity which I didn't show), the time for lockdown, suppression, and freezing has nothing to do with distance; a target can be 595 m away or 50 m away and it will still take the chip the same time to do its thing. b) Based upon the tier 3 freeze and lockdown chips, it appears the time to achieve the desired effect is the same irrespective of what that effect is; it took the same time to lockdown the Ravana as it did to freeze it. c) For a given chip, the Spark, Scourge, and Calamity (data not shown for latter) all take the same amount of time to achieve the effect d) The level of a weapon doesn't matter in the time it takes to achieve the effect, only the tier of the chip matters (exception to this would be using freeze missiles in combination with a freeze chip where the level of the missiles does affect time until target is frozen) e) The power ratio really is about 2.62 : 1.72 : 1.00 between tiers 4, 3, and 2. Some of the discrepancy is probably due to the chip descriptions only showing one decimal place. This means a tier 4 chip will freeze/suppress/lockdown a bot 2.62 times faster than a tier 2 chip while a tier 3 chip will do the same 1.72 times as fast as a tier 2 chip. f) A result of e) above is that stacking two tier 2 chips on a drone will not be as effective as a single tier 4 chip but the stacked chips will be better than a tier 3 chip. However, two tier 2 chips are vastly cheaper than making a tier 4 chip. I'll have separate posts covering how other weapons perform with the chips. Happy Fun Ball THANK YOU for doing this. Just one question and one request. Question: I think it is implied but running 2 of the same weapons would reduce those times by half, correct? 4 weapons (i.e. 4 Scourges) would bring it down to 25%. I'm curious if it is linear though. Request: If you would do one for Magnum I would be grateful. It's under-rated and forgotten; wondering if this can breathe new life into it. Cheers! CM
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Post by Happy Fun Ball on Sept 29, 2020 9:18:09 GMT -5
Happy Fun Ball THANK YOU for doing this. Just one question and one request. Question: I think it is implied but running 2 of the same weapons would reduce those times by half, correct? 4 weapons (i.e. 4 Scourges) would bring it down to 25%. I'm curious if it is linear though. Request: If you would do one for Magnum I would be grateful. It's under-rated and forgotten; wondering if this can breathe new life into it. That's correct on stacking weapons. I would have run Magnums but I don't have any anymore.
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Post by edkun on Sept 30, 2020 2:57:42 GMT -5
Happy fun ball, you are my hero for doing this!
2 questions: How does freeze rocket effect compare with the 2% freeze chip? For example, if I have a level 9 glacier on a bot, and I have a 2% lockdown chip, and I unload on a stationary bot, at what point will time until freeze=time until lockdown? With this knowledge, we can understand how strong base lockdown rockets and shredders and halos are compared to chips.
One other question, I have found in my experience shredders seem to apply chip effects very fast, have you found this to be the case as well?
Thanks!
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