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Post by Desc440 on Aug 13, 2020 5:53:28 GMT -5
Still not happy about the Storm nerf but the changes to the Ravana and PS are GREAT news!
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Post by Flaminius on Aug 13, 2020 6:16:57 GMT -5
Good. Bots should never have been able to grab beacons in Phase Shift anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 6:27:51 GMT -5
Yeah nerfing a gun because it's OP on 2 bots, well 3 with Leech is the dumbest thing ever. But Pixo ....
I like the beacon capture, this should shake things up. I think. +1 for Pix (Only way they changed things is if the bottom line was affected somehow. Interesting.)
10% HP reduction? Well Ivory Ravana is now just a Ravana. 47 of 1 minute in Transcendence is the problem OR it should NOT shed affects upon every ability charge.
Game changers would be LD etc. work as intended ......
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Post by hi5 on Aug 13, 2020 7:05:58 GMT -5
Wow. If this actually goes to live server it would be the first significant rebalance actually improving gameplay in a very long time.
I’m still skeptical - usually rebalances are done with an eye to benefit upcoming releases so the full scope isn’t seen until then. But PS (and trance) not changing beacons has been needed for a long time.
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Post by Desc440 on Aug 13, 2020 7:09:19 GMT -5
Wow. If this actually goes to live server it would be the first significant rebalance actually improving gameplay in a very long time. I’m still skeptical - usually rebalances are done with an eye to benefit upcoming releases so the full scope isn’t seen until then. But PS (and trance) not changing beacons has been needed for a long time. If one were to be cynical, one could say that not enough folks are putting money down for the Scorp because Ravs are still just so much better overall, especially in beacon games.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Aug 13, 2020 7:34:26 GMT -5
As someone who refuses to use phase shift (and hates the ravana meta) this is the greatest news ever...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 7:45:13 GMT -5
As someone who refuses to use phase shift (and hates the ravana meta) this is the greatest news ever... Don't use it if you hate it ... don't chase if you don't want to. Pretty sure I see a Lvl 70 Poe w/2.12 storms in your starting line-up.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Aug 13, 2020 8:00:01 GMT -5
When you play in high level champ squads, not having 1 is a huge disadvantage. I have 1. I hate the meta because it’s an endless wave of them. If hangars were limited it wouldn’t be an issue, but it is what it is. I won’t lament the day when it’s put on the shelf. It’s not my go to bot, it’s just part of the tool kit currently
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 8:13:55 GMT -5
When you play in high level champ squads, not having 1 is a huge disadvantage. I have 1. I hate the meta because it’s an endless wave of them. If hangars were limited it wouldn’t be an issue, but it is what it is. I won’t lament the day when it’s put on the shelf. It’s not my go to bot, it’s just part of the tool kit currently No I get it dude, I know what it takes man ... you're not going to be relevant not running the latest META gear. I've seen the golden spooge fest videos. I'm just saying, just play what's fun and you enjoy. It all comes down to gear and play time to stay "on top", clans coordination, gear and time. I always like to pick peoples brains in the thought process, that's all ... especially LL'er and why they do it. ---- 2nd Question. Drones. Say you hate them with a passion, but you and your clan is getting left behind because of the disadvantage you are now at ... Will you purchase/buy/chase them to stay relevant? Or would you accept demotions because you don't feel the need to chase? Curious, as to not derail the thread you can PM or not answer at all. It's cool.
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 13, 2020 9:01:26 GMT -5
Well, I for one do not like this nerf at all. My gear is low, so this nerf hits me pretty hard. Getting into PB range in a L9 Ravana with no premium mods and a low level pilot is already hard enough in low Champs - well upper M1 now that I failed to qualify for Champs in the new season and haven't played enough to pull myself back into Champs. For people with high level gear, the 10% HP reduction is a drop in the bucket. I guess I'm glad my Ravana is an Ivory one. Ditto with the Storms...Those who use them usually have them Mk2 with other damage bonuses. Me, I just have them at L10 and with sharpshooter on the Ravana. So, this nerf hits me like a ton of bricks. I might as well switch to Coronas now. At least I'll do a bit more damage beyond PB range and I can prevent people from chasing after me when I'm trying to retreat. I've already switched my Scorpion back to FDB. Maybe I could start producing more Cryos and put my Ravana back to FDB as well. But, by the time I get a couple more Cryos built and leveled to my playing level, I bet they'll get nerfed somehow.
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Post by lepetomane on Aug 13, 2020 10:33:11 GMT -5
Hi All,
I like this. Would be great if beacon mechanic for Ravana and PS could hit live server. It is more ‘realistic’ that a bot that travels the warp is not able to interact with the physical world. This will need some more plotting and scheming by the user, nice. Nerf to Storm is not necessary for me but looking at test server video’s by some teletubers it is still very strong.
When I started playing again two months ago the first thing I did was start building Ravana to replace my Spectre storm, as imagined it to be the Spectre 2.0. But somehow I cannot fall in love with it like I did with the (even neutered) Spectre storm. It plays so sluggish and out of tune, but it is a strong bot for sure. Don’t have the pilot, using the regular Spectre pilot I already had for the Storm skills, so that might be part of the reason. Cannot seem to get it in recruitment center, where my son gets it every two days or so aaargh. But last month I won the Fenrir in SC and counter to what I believed that is an awesome bot that feels right in my hands even only lvl7. It is now lvl9 with leadhoses 2.12 and has replaced the Ravana. Maybe when I finally do get the pilot I’ll try again.
m2c Lepe out
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Post by Garbage game on Aug 13, 2020 10:38:55 GMT -5
To those people with 4/5x Max Ravana hangars:
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Post by Deadeye on Aug 13, 2020 11:09:34 GMT -5
My Storm Ravana is effective, but I don't like using it. It's kinda boring. I had PS on it, but switched to the Jump module for mobility and to unlock my inner BB . PS is useful in many situations (like when I'm trying to run past you to your home beacon), but I don't like that it can be used to capture beacons. This is a good thing
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Post by Desc440 on Aug 13, 2020 11:55:40 GMT -5
a bot that travels the warp
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Post by non4me on Aug 13, 2020 12:50:11 GMT -5
Still not happy about the Storm nerf but the changes to the Ravana and PS are GREAT news!
Pix is so 「fluffernutter」ed up, BTW...anything to do with nerf's buffs whatever is completely BS. The list is long of crap we've been fed. Think the nerf to specter and the buff to blitz. They're going to nerf Ravana and do nothing with Blitz?...and I don't read anybody being upset by blitz. OBTW...no compensation for time and effort to bring a bot or weapon to competitive levels. Lies and more lies...whatever...quit or play on!
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 13, 2020 14:34:15 GMT -5
Still not happy about the Storm nerf but the changes to the Ravana and PS are GREAT news!
Starting to worry if Pixo is seriously thinking to implement my suggestions Now let's see, how often did I suggest this?
The Ravana will still be a strong bot, that can chew up several other bots. But it won't be both a beacon "lockdown" bot as well as a bot destroyer. I like this very much.
Now, if they would consider that other idea I had: Cut the effect of DR by half. Instead of 80% reduction for a Ming on the ground, make it 40%. Would immediately make now-OP bots (titans especially, also Blitz and Phantom) much easier to kill. I guess the bots that lose weapons for DR (Falcon) would need a rebalance, but it would finally be possible to kill a l150 titan with a normal bot. Because fighting Blitz, Leech, Fenrir etc. is getting ridiculous for legacy bots. Might as well lob peas at them.
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 13, 2020 14:46:24 GMT -5
Still not happy about the Storm nerf but the changes to the Ravana and PS are GREAT news!
Pix is so ?fluffernutter?ed up, BTW...anything to do with nerf's buffs whatever is completely BS. The list is long of crap we've been fed. Think the nerf to specter and the buff to blitz. They're going to nerf Ravana and do nothing with Blitz?...and I don't read anybody being upset by blitz. OBTW...no compensation for time and effort to bring a bot or weapon to competitive levels. Lies and more lies...whatever...quit or play on! Blitz isn't nearly as OP as Ravana. It's not as fast as Phantom/Gale/Loki (even with jump), and easily killed when the ability runs out.
I strongly dislike a lot of nerfs/buffs in the recent past, but for once I'll comment "well done, perfect" in the TS session if this comes to pass.
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Post by Desc440 on Aug 13, 2020 14:48:33 GMT -5
Still not happy about the Storm nerf but the changes to the Ravana and PS are GREAT news!
Starting to worry if Pixo is seriously thinking to implement my suggestions Now let's see, how often did I suggest this?
The Ravana will still be a strong bot, that can chew up several other bots. But it won't be both a beacon "lockdown" bot as well as a bot destroyer. I like this very much.
Now, if they would consider that other idea I had: Cut the effect of DR by half. Instead of 80% reduction for a Ming on the ground, make it 40%. Would immediately make now-OP bots (titans especially, also Blitz and Phantom) much easier to kill. I guess the bots that lose weapons for DR (Falcon) would need a rebalance, but it would finally be possible to kill a l150 titan with a normal bot. Because fighting Blitz, Leech, Fenrir etc. is getting ridiculous for legacy bots. Might as well lob peas at them.
Oh God no! My Fenrir gets chewed too easily already!
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 13, 2020 15:17:08 GMT -5
Now, if they would consider that other idea I had: Cut the effect of DR by half. Instead of 80% reduction for a Ming on the ground, make it 40%. Would immediately make now-OP bots (titans especially, also Blitz and Phantom) much easier to kill. I guess the bots that lose weapons for DR (Falcon) would need a rebalance, but it would finally be possible to kill a l150 titan with a normal bot. Because fighting Blitz, Leech, Fenrir etc. is getting ridiculous for legacy bots. Might as well lob peas at them. Oh God no! My Fenrir gets chewed too easily already! I find Fenrirs nearly as tough as T-Falcons, maybe because they have much more firepower. Guess most of them have the Legendary Pilot and healing. But again, some rebalancing might be in order. I'm aiming mostly to make titans more vulnerable. Mind you, damage to maxed Mings on the ground would increase to 300% of what it was before.
Not sure if Pixo does Fenrir and Falcon DR with defense points, or with a different mechanic. I guess Fenrir is not DP based, otherwise the 25 points from the Legendary Pilot wouldn't make much of a difference.
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Post by ironstar on Aug 13, 2020 16:33:41 GMT -5
I for one welcome this change from our robot overlords
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Post by GuitarGuy on Aug 13, 2020 16:42:06 GMT -5
Maybe its just me but, It seems if Pixonic actually tested gear more thoroughly instead of just rushing it to the game we wouldnt see as many of these "re balances". I also think this happens a lot because in my heart I feel the designers of the game are poor players and feel the need to have robot "abilities" to make up for there own short comings in basic tactics and situational awareness. Its like I said about Scorpion, I can see someone at Pix saying " its not fair! I cant seem to sneak up on the reds without getting killed! What we need is a bot that has a built in ability to do that so I dont have to learn how to be patient and stalk properly". Anyway, Just my take on the game over the past couple of years..
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Post by Poopface on Aug 13, 2020 16:48:20 GMT -5
I don't have a Ravana. I also don't use Phase Shift. I'm not a big fan of the Storm change as I just built one and leveled a second for my Scorpion, but I can sort of see the logic somewhat if they're trying to create a whole new class.
That said, I do like that Ravana is coming down to earth somewhat.
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Post by lepetomane on Aug 13, 2020 17:43:07 GMT -5
a bot that travels the warp ?? Brethren, the Emperor has heard our prayers and sends the ordo maleus to help us rid this unforesaken world of the daemonic plague that are these abominations of machinery, conjured up by the twisted minds lurking in the shadows of the Eye. Now show the Emperor’s Might, cleanse the unholy incarnation materializing under the shadow of our banner, Unleash the power of Terra! for the Emperor!!
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Post by kdsteph3530 on Aug 13, 2020 18:24:22 GMT -5
wow how are the whale squads going to react to phase shift and transcendence not being to hold beacons?
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Post by T34 on Aug 13, 2020 18:59:20 GMT -5
I cant believe some are falling for this Pix 「dookie」 again. As soon as they get rid of the ravana (or tone it down) there will be something new to take its place. It will be just as bad if not worse because they need to push the magic button envelope in order to sell power.
For them to sell power the gear has to be OP and hence degrade the balance and game play significantly.
Look at the history Haechi, Bulgasari, ST, Specter, Ares.......
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Aug 13, 2020 19:34:11 GMT -5
For a small window after the shotgun rebalance the game was really good. Lots of different weapons, still heavy leech but the worst of the leech meta was over with the phase shift change. Ravana was pre buff status. I’ll take another window like that. However, the new pilot system I feel will really put the breaks on seeing another multi bot hangar situation, at least instantly like we’ve seen so far. It’s just way to expensive
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Post by Joopiter on Aug 14, 2020 2:18:41 GMT -5
This will 'potentially' be the end of the Ravana and phase shift (at least in Beacon Rush and Domination).
If you can't use transcendence or phase shift if you are 1 v 1 on a contested beacon then it's just not worth the risk in BR or Dom. Ravana's ability and PS are both 3 seconds. If you are defending a blue beacon versus a tankier, higher firepower or healthier bot and by using an ability will possibly turn that beacon white then folks will phase out the Ravana. I'm not sure if 3 seconds will turn an occupied beacon in 1 vs 1. In 1 vs 2, I'm pretty sure the 2 reds will change it white in 3 secs. Or if you're fighting over a white beacon and by hitting the ability button it can turn blue...ouch... that's a deal breaker for me using that bot.
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Post by ironstar on Aug 14, 2020 2:52:45 GMT -5
wow how are the whale squads going to react to phase shift and transcendence not being to hold beacons? Positively, because we thinks it's just as stupid as the next guy does.
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Post by TheFiend on Aug 14, 2020 3:01:47 GMT -5
This will 'potentially' be the end of the Ravana and phase shift (at least in Beacon Rush and Domination). If you can't use transcendence or phase shift if you are 1 v 1 on a contested beacon then it's just not worth the risk in BR or Dom. Ravana's ability and PS are both 3 seconds. If you are defending a blue beacon versus a tankier, higher firepower or healthier bot and by using an ability will possibly turn that beacon white then folks will phase out the Ravana. I'm not sure if 3 seconds will turn an occupied beacon in 1 vs 1. In 1 vs 2, I'm pretty sure the 2 reds will change it white in 3 secs. Or if you're fighting over a white beacon and by hitting the ability button it can turn blue...ouch... that's a deal breaker for me using that bot. I think I agree and it's certainly one of the better balances Pix has suggested. I totally agree with the Ravana nerf (yes I have one!), not so much on the shotgun nerf as I thought the previous nerf was sufficient (I liked the balance between these and the corona, one damage, one lockdown), and also not sure on the PS. The PS was a universally accessible skill allowing regular bots to come out in the open and take/contest a beacon. With every bot now having to be 'visible' while turning a beacon, it'll be near impossible to change a beacon at the end when there's a Ming/any bigger bot in range, unless perhaps you have a pantheon bot or cloaking module? Eitherway, it's a universal disadvantage so we'll see! *small golf clap for Pixonic!
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Aug 14, 2020 7:28:51 GMT -5
This is a buff across the board for all Vityaz hangars.
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