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Post by critter667 on Mar 24, 2017 12:26:06 GMT -5
I see a mix of aphid/Orkan and pinata/Orkans in general and certainly in the legendary league.
Is there a major difference between the two? is one better? Which would you pick if you only had 1 set of orkans?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 12:33:12 GMT -5
Pinatas/Orks (DB) allow you to kill something outright most of the time. The issue is (1) line of sight required, (2) after you unleash, you are very vulnerable, and (3) Pinata reload is slow. So this build is best run hitting and then hiding, and hopefully then getting to hit again.
Aphid/Ork allows you to stay at longer range, behind cover, and lob aphids in. Then when the red has half health (or if he insists on closing range and finding you), you clean up with the Orks. Aphids have a nice fast reload of 10s. Great build on powerplant or center bowl of DC, where line of sight is difficult to achieve and cover is ample.
So its really a playstyle thing in my opinion. I prefer Aphid/Ork personally, but I am not great with either build, as I usually run out of ammo and forget the "seek cover" part. Hope that helps.
Cheers.
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Post by mechtout on Mar 24, 2017 12:33:33 GMT -5
aphids are ideal at level 12 with the new mm just because a lot of the salvo will miss, and we are facing higher bots. haven't upgraded mine to level 12 yet, but i imagine an aphid/orkan griff would be a good counter to an ancilot. huge splash area to take out the ancile and orkans to attack the lance. i currently run pinatas at the moment until then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 13:04:10 GMT -5
Aphids are for defensive Griffin piloting. Pinatas are for offensive and only defensive if you are fighting less than 2 enemies.
You can use Aphid Orkan Griffin for flanking and offensive style but it usually won't work well.
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Post by Thumpmonkey1 on Mar 24, 2017 13:10:11 GMT -5
Aphids are for defensive Griffin piloting. Pinatas are for offensive and only defensive if you are fighting less than 2 enemies. You can use Aphid Orkan Griffin for flanking and offensive style but it usually won't work well. To expand slightly - because aphid/orkan (stuka) griffs are a wear-them-down-finish-them-off build, while pinata/orkan (DB) griffs are a sunday punch build. All about your preferred style. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 13:29:39 GMT -5
Aphids are for defensive Griffin piloting. Pinatas are for offensive and only defensive if you are fighting less than 2 enemies. You can use Aphid Orkan Griffin for flanking and offensive style but it usually won't work well. To expand slightly - because aphid/orkan (stuka) griffs are a wear-them-down-finish-them-off build, while pinata/orkan (DB) griffs are a sunday punch build. All about your preferred style. Also, if you are seeing lots of heavy bots in your league, its best to use Aphid Orkan. |
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Mar 24, 2017 18:26:56 GMT -5
I like the Orkans so much I took them off my Lance!!
I now run a db & Stuka Griffin.
The db is stright up offensive
The Stuja is more multi purpose, I open with it or my Galahad.
Really liking having both. I am sacrificing my Lancelot because I do not have an Ancile. But I do prefer running the Griffins more overall.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Mar 24, 2017 18:45:47 GMT -5
I switched often between the 2, but whenever I was in pure db mode I'd miss my aphids, even going so far as outright forgetting what build I had, jump and shoot a pointless volley of pinatas. I'm currently running 2 stuka builds and really don't mind my pinatas being sidelined.
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Post by //OBIONE\\ on Mar 24, 2017 20:36:53 GMT -5
I am exactly the same as Thunderkiss. Keep going back to 2 X Stuka Griffin. |
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Post by Demosthenes on Mar 25, 2017 6:58:16 GMT -5
For a one shot kill pinatas all the way, however I find the aphid build far more flexible, and survives longer (that may just be me, can get carried away with DB). Having tried both builds extensively I have settled into using aphids regularly and pinatas seldom.
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Post by Deadalready on Mar 25, 2017 8:25:00 GMT -5
Uh... Aphids do more damage than Pinatas so the only real advantage Pinatas has is they bypass physical shields.
I love the Stukka build myself as it basically does what the DB does but with way more flexibility on the field.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Mar 25, 2017 11:34:25 GMT -5
Uh... Aphids do more damage than Pinatas so the only real advantage Pinatas has is they bypass physical shields. I love the Stukka build myself as it basically does what the DB does but with way more flexibility on the field. This just in: Piñata is going to fire on reload like Orkan...changes things a bit....The RDB and the DB might just be in style again. |
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Post by Desolator on Mar 25, 2017 11:41:48 GMT -5
I use aphids and prefer them over pinata. It is easier to fire aphids individually to takeout Anciles before hitting with the orkans. This is particularly useful against carnage and ancilot.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on Mar 25, 2017 13:31:29 GMT -5
Uh... Aphids do more damage than Pinatas so the only real advantage Pinatas has is they bypass physical shields. I love the Stukka build myself as it basically does what the DB does but with way more flexibility on the field. This just in: Piñata is going to fire on reload like Orkan...changes things a bit....The RDB and the DB might just be in style again. Definitely a game changer. Until then, +1 Aphids for all the reasons listed above. My opinion might change if Piñatas get the buff. |
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Post by snk on Mar 25, 2017 21:34:36 GMT -5
Aphids Orkan Griffin = Stalker behind build + weaker version of DB. But Aphids has 10s cooldown, you have more chance to fire it again.
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Post by Titan Song on Mar 25, 2017 22:13:06 GMT -5
AO Griffin x2 , my reasons are 2 fold. 1) Better utility and options. 2) best counter for those rocket dodger Gareths. They can run back away from a DB volly, but can not run back away from aphids. If they run left or right to avoid the aphids, they get orkan splash.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Mar 25, 2017 22:26:34 GMT -5
If they go through with the changes to pinatas and pins I'll likely run one of each. Seems really strong.
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Post by amoebastudios on Mar 25, 2017 23:36:03 GMT -5
I really liked the facemelter DB grif. The aphid grif just felt too slow for me. It takes quite a few volleys to wear the opponent down before going for the kill. With the DB I can take down a bot every time I pop out. It is really powerful when played aggressively.
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