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Post by Danny Linguini on Jul 17, 2020 19:54:06 GMT -5
So is this matchmaker’s fault I don’t understand. I mean, somebody has to protect that side beacon. Seriously, that looks like about half the games I play. (The other half would be 4 red beacons and all the reds swarming blue spawn and the one remaining blue beacon.) You can substitute this map for Carrier too, and just put most of the blues behind the second beacon. These are the games that I’ll sit and watch the spawn point screen for a moment or two, then just kamikaze it towards center to either end the misery as quickly as possible, or guilt the rest of my team into joining me and possibly turning it around before it’s too late. But more often than not it ends up being the former.
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Post by psychopsyd on Jul 17, 2020 23:28:55 GMT -5
You do understand people quit when I'm on the winning side, right? I'm mean no sense going forward with this conversation until you understand that. I understand. Players see YOU on the winning side and quit the game. SHEER INTIMIDATION. I promise to not quit when I see you. (Bear in mind though that I don't have the capacity to read and/or care about the names above my opponents while I'm in the middle of a battle and trying to strategize, maneuver my bots, shoot accurately, find open beacons, determine what hostile ability is being used and see which of my teammates I can assist.)[/quote] Well now your just being stupid and childish [/quote] And... your point is...?
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Jul 18, 2020 0:53:30 GMT -5
What OP says is true but there are plenty of games that are not mismatches but players bail out very early. Maybe their favorite bot got wasted so they rage quit. I recently had a game where we had two beacons but four guys quit and left me and some other dude against a team of six. I have bailed out occasionally when a specific bot gets killed early, but that is only when it is new or I am testing a new build on it so maybe those people do it lfor those reasons rather than out of rage. It has. Nothing to do with rage for me, just the need to test. If my teammates can't deal with one or 2 game with 1 less person then not my problem.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jul 18, 2020 6:17:36 GMT -5
Put it this way - when my first bot gets flash-fried and we’re down 3 beacons to 2 - or worse, 4-1 - before I can drop my second bot, I’ll pause for a few seconds on the spawn map screen before dropping #2 (which may or may not be the same as dropping A #2); and if I see a blue team full of slackers hanging around home beacon, I don’t quit, but I do flip the zero-effort switch for the rest of the game. If it looks like the blues are making an effort, and you can usually tell in a few seconds if that’s the case, I’ll jump back in and support any way I can even though I know I probably won’t contribute much.
But as has already been noted, many times the outcome is predetermined. Once in awhile, if I’m in the midst of a particularly brutal losing/beatdown streak, I’ll put in the garbage bots for a few games just to see how low I can finish, and dammit all to hell if I don’t usually end up winning more games, or should I say end up on more winning teams, having contributed next to nothing. That’s when I realize that at least half the time I’m just along for the ride whether I put in the effort or not. The only thing I can sometimes control is where I end up in the team standings, but even then sometimes even that is out if my hands when I’m on a team full of champs.
It’s a very, very strange gaming dynamic to be sure.
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Post by nexushub on Jul 20, 2020 21:48:30 GMT -5
When the game starts and my team is immediately smashed by 6 mk2 12 leaches and its 10 to 0 i will absolutely leave a game, penalty be dammed im not sticking around getting more damage because even though you get obliterated you still go up +20 cups because if you fight back you wind up with the most damage.
As far as being placed in quiter leauge, the match making honestly cant be worse then normal match making, its already bad enough facing players with 20,000 cups vs my 5,000, sometimes i think we are all in low priority match making.
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Post by Blurred Vision on Jul 21, 2020 6:43:59 GMT -5
Although this isn't tanking, it's still not cool to do. You're screwing over the rest of your team. Although there are a lot of issues with the MM, this is only contributing to a lousy play experience. There is not much screwing over the the rest of your team. Practically none. When we run in a full squad, solos will lose provided we donât screw up something really bad and there arenât a few maxed players on the other side. And they will lose heavily. Say 25:0 in tdm. And if they go the distance it will be 35:5 or something. Now thatâs fun for us too. Game quality is crap in large squads. It is fun to socialise with the other guys but in terms of game quality ...... Perhaps in 8 to 9 out of 10 games against solos a number of reds quit as soon as they see a full squad. Makes no difference to the outcome if they do or if they donât. U know that. And ours isnât even a whale squad where we would have 40000 cups combined to the reds 8000. Similar situation holds for smaller squads but players quit on our side too and the blow outs are not as big. There is a fundamental game balance issue here of extreme proportion combined with the promotion of such seal clubbing activity in order to make money while ditching game quality considerations. Solos donât have to participate, they dont have to waste their time with such crap. The screwing over the rest of your team argument is extremely weak. The lousy playing experience is a result of monetisation and match making. That needs to be fixed and Leaving is perhaps one way to pressure pix. I donât blame theplayers, I blame Pix. Bull「dookie」. As a solo player, when someone doesn't like the prospective odds they see at the outset of a fight & bail out, they DO have a negative effect on their team. As a fellow solo player, I'm forced to fight 5 on 6 or 4 on 6, which is frustrating and usually ends up in a loss. Simply put, if a person finds War Robots to be a lousy playing experience, they should delete the damn game and move on, not 「fluffernutter」 those they leave behind. Pix does what they do; everyone knows it by now. It doesn't make it right, but it is what it is. People have groaned, moaned, pissed, and wailed, and what's changed? Zero, zilch, zip , nada. By playing, we ackowledge this and voluntarily subject ourselves to their tactics. if you don't like it, delete the game yourself, but Stop defending the chicken「dookie」 tankers/leavers.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jul 21, 2020 7:12:36 GMT -5
Bull?dookie?. As a solo player, when someone doesn't like the prospective odds they see at the outset of a fight & bail out, they DO have a negative effect on their team. As a fellow solo player, I'm forced to fight 5 on 6 or 4 on 6, which is frustrating and usually ends up in a loss. Simply put, if a person finds War Robots to be a lousy playing experience, they should delete the damn game and move on, not ?fluffernutter? those they leave behind. Pix does what they do; everyone knows it by now. It doesn't make it right, but it is what it is. People have groaned, moaned, pissed, and wailed, and what's changed? Zero, zilch, zip , nada. By playing, we ackowledge this and voluntarily subject ourselves to their tactics. if you don't like it, delete the game yourself, but Stop defending the chicken?dookie? tankers/leavers. I do see your point, and while I can’t disagree, I must also add the other side of the coin — many players aren’t in the game for their random teammates, they’re in it for their own (supposed) enjoyment. Some people only have time for a few games a day, why should they be forced to spend that limited time on the receiving end of an unwinnable and frustrating beatdown? The reason they don’t just delete the game is because there are still the occasional fun games to be had, and that plus whatever time has already been invested in the game is why they keep playing. Look, I completely understand the affects this behavior has on the rest f the team — I’ve lost plenty of hard-fought battles that were decided by which team had the fewest leavers/tankers. Those aren’t fun either, but I prefer being on the losing end of that scenario than game after game of my entire hangar being vaporized in under 2 minutes. I don’t quit these games myself, because I play so few of them these days that I need whatever meager resources I can wring out of them. But I certainly understand the mindset of those who do quit.
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Post by Blurred Vision on Jul 21, 2020 7:46:32 GMT -5
Bull?dookie?. As a solo player, when someone doesn't like the prospective odds they see at the outset of a fight & bail out, they DO have a negative effect on their team. As a fellow solo player, I'm forced to fight 5 on 6 or 4 on 6, which is frustrating and usually ends up in a loss. Simply put, if a person finds War Robots to be a lousy playing experience, they should delete the damn game and move on, not ?fluffernutter? those they leave behind. Pix does what they do; everyone knows it by now. It doesn't make it right, but it is what it is. People have groaned, moaned, pissed, and wailed, and what's changed? Zero, zilch, zip , nada. By playing, we ackowledge this and voluntarily subject ourselves to their tactics. if you don't like it, delete the game yourself, but Stop defending the chicken?dookie? tankers/leavers. I do see your point, and while I can’t disagree, I must also add the other side of the coin — many players aren’t in the game for their random teammates, they’re in it for their own (supposed) enjoyment. Some people only have time for a few games a day, why should they be forced to spend that limited time on the receiving end of an unwinnable and frustrating beatdown? The reason they don’t just delete the game is because there are still the occasional fun games to be had, and that plus whatever time has already been invested in the game is why they keep playing. Look, I completely understand the affects this behavior has on the rest f the team — I’ve lost plenty of hard-fought battles that were decided by which team had the fewest leavers/tankers. Those aren’t fun either, but I prefer being on the losing end of that scenario than game after game of my entire hangar being vaporized in under 2 minutes. I don’t quit these games myself, because I play so few of them these days that I need whatever meager resources I can wring out of them. But I certainly understand the mindset of those who do quit. First, let me say I've always respected your POV & appreciated your posts. I wrote my reply with some emotion, but you responded with rational thought & did better than I in that regard. I get it too: I've taken more than my fair share of ugly losses, when I was massively outgunned & overpowered by the opposition. I have nearly 15,000 wins and thousands of defeats, many of which were very lopsided, so I do understand that side of the coin. I know that feeling of hopelessness, helplessness. I stuck with it, and I did spend some RM to build a strong, competitive hangar. But even now, there are bigger, badder animals in the jungle that chew me up & spit me out with ease. I guess I've just been around long enough to know that there will be spates of unbalanced games, but I choose to gut them out, as you do. I know the script will flip and there will be good, even, fun fights on the other side. I just wish more people would do the same and not throw in the towel at the first signs of imbalance and discomfort or consternation. In the end, nobody owes anybody anything in this game (well, Pix owes the player base a LOT for how they've manipulated us & stacked the deck), but the old school competitor in me hates to quit and hates the quitters.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jul 21, 2020 8:40:24 GMT -5
Some of the many problems with leaving is you’ll never get better and won’t know how those unwinnable games may play out
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Post by bunnyhoppingrailgun on Jul 21, 2020 11:15:31 GMT -5
you only find out the team compositions after the fight. but you already know that your leos and griffins are meat. go ahead and pump those powercells trying to stay alive, not knowing that you're the nights entertainment at an afghan men's club.
if you start a game and see 2-3 teammates all going for the side beacon, you might be 「fluffernutter」ed.
if you see your teammate guarding a red beacon from a loki with their ming, you might be 「fluffernutter」ed.
if your entire hanger is getting wiped out by one red phantom, you might be 「fluffernutter」ed.
and when it's all over, you stuck it out, spent your cells and paid your dues, don't gripe about the measly 50k silver that won't buy back cells or time. just think of it as having fun. not you, of course, the other guy. someone's having fun and that's all that matters.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Jul 22, 2020 8:37:17 GMT -5
Stop. Using. Power cells when you are getting your 「bum-bum」 kicked.
This is different from using PC's in a legit bid to sumo flip a duel or scrape out a win.
Spending PC's to last 3 seconds longer in a spawn raid at the 8:37 mark in your 4th bot is just downright not optimal and will lead no where good from an emotional standpoint. Accept that the Death Squad has kicked in your door. Go down swinging or kneel with your hands in the air just do NOT use any power cells while doing so! Save them for when they might be of use!
This has been a Public Service Announcement from the Committee Against Pointless Power Cell Expenditure.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jul 22, 2020 8:37:41 GMT -5
I do see your point, and while I can’t disagree, I must also add the other side of the coin — many players aren’t in the game for their random teammates, they’re in it for their own (supposed) enjoyment. Some people only have time for a few games a day, why should they be forced to spend that limited time on the receiving end of an unwinnable and frustrating beatdown? The reason they don’t just delete the game is because there are still the occasional fun games to be had, and that plus whatever time has already been invested in the game is why they keep playing. Look, I completely understand the affects this behavior has on the rest f the team — I’ve lost plenty of hard-fought battles that were decided by which team had the fewest leavers/tankers. Those aren’t fun either, but I prefer being on the losing end of that scenario than game after game of my entire hangar being vaporized in under 2 minutes. I don’t quit these games myself, because I play so few of them these days that I need whatever meager resources I can wring out of them. But I certainly understand the mindset of those who do quit. First, let me say I've always respected your POV & appreciated your posts. I wrote my reply with some emotion, but you responded with rational thought & did better than I in that regard. I get it too: I've taken more than my fair share of ugly losses, when I was massively outgunned & overpowered by the opposition. I have nearly 15,000 wins and thousands of defeats, many of which were very lopsided, so I do understand that side of the coin. I know that feeling of hopelessness, helplessness. I stuck with it, and I did spend some RM to build a strong, competitive hangar. But even now, there are bigger, badder animals in the jungle that chew me up & spit me out with ease. I guess I've just been around long enough to know that there will be spates of unbalanced games, but I choose to gut them out, as you do. I know the script will flip and there will be good, even, fun fights on the other side. I just wish more people would do the same and not throw in the towel at the first signs of imbalance and discomfort or consternation. In the end, nobody owes anybody anything in this game (well, Pix owes the player base a LOT for how they've manipulated us & stacked the deck), but the old school competitor in me hates to quit and hates the quitters. The only thing I’ll say to this is, in most cases it’s usually not the first signs of imbalance that throw players into a tizzy. Or the second or third. It’s the days-long streaks of totally lopsided losses and/or teaming with highly advanced players and hangars that, even when you do play well and win, you’re still left at the bottom of the team rankings, so either way you earn squat for your efforts, which is doubly frustrating in this day where so many resources are needed to keep up. I have to think that eventually wears thin even for the most competitive players.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Jul 22, 2020 9:22:33 GMT -5
The change from damage to honor based results is what got and kept me in champion league when my hangar was much, much weaker. The key is getting into the top in as many categories as possible. So grabbing beacons and running a healer are your 2 best avenues if you can’t output great damage. Getting and holding beacons is also the best way to win which increases your earnings. Don’t camp, fight in the circle, get your healer in and heal someone as quickly as possible (especially in a bad match). There is frustration at both end of the spectrum. When your averaging 8 kills, 2.7 mil in damage, 1.3 titans and your win % is dropping into the 40s and 30s, it’s incredibly infuriating. So should that make strong players quit too?
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Post by Loganspawn on Jul 22, 2020 9:49:10 GMT -5
Put it this way - when my first bot gets flash-fried and we’re down 3 beacons to 2 - or worse, 4-1 - before I can drop my second bot, I’ll pause for a few seconds on the spawn map screen before dropping #2 (which may or may not be the same as dropping A #2); and if I see a blue team full of slackers hanging around home beacon, I don’t quit, but I do flip the zero-effort switch for the rest of the game. If it looks like the blues are making an effort, and you can usually tell in a few seconds if that’s the case, I’ll jump back in and support any way I can even though I know I probably won’t contribute much. But as has already been noted, many times the outcome is predetermined. Once in awhile, if I’m in the midst of a particularly brutal losing/beatdown streak, I’ll put in the garbage bots for a few games just to see how low I can finish, and dammit all to hell if I don’t usually end up winning more games, or should I say end up on more winning teams, having contributed next to nothing. That’s when I realize that at least half the time I’m just along for the ride whether I put in the effort or not. The only thing I can sometimes control is where I end up in the team standings, but even then sometimes even that is out if my hands when I’m on a team full of champs. It’s a very, very strange gaming dynamic to be sure. Yep in a beat down and pix is forcing me to lose I also like to change stuff up and presto it normally stops the long losing streak, if not at least I am having some fun as I already gave up caring. matchmaker is the number one reason for wins and losses PERIOD. Once accepted it is way less stressful playing the game IMO.
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Post by Mindwrencher on Aug 12, 2020 22:37:31 GMT -5
I have done it all...tanked/quit, camped, hid like a wussy, ran for my bots life, gang blasted a sucker, evaporated a clown team, gotten zero points, gotten ridiculous points (+) and (-); etc, etc. Hate me if you will, but yes I will leave you blind. Call me what you will but I will sometimes wait 7+ minutes just to get my 30 silver (I’m sorry Jesus). I pay to play, and most times not a penny will leave my dragon’s hoard of real world wealth, because I refuse to pay. Mostly I purchase keys and special chest do-thingy’s, because of my MTG background...I just like the “surprise” of finding/acquiring an ultra rare once in a blue moon. I have bought 2$ bots and weapons that were befitting their 2$ price...you wouldn’t want them. And I ask this same question: Why penalize me when I leave when programmers are too lazy to just find a “drop-in” to replace me...regardless of the fact that only two minutes are left in the match? (SARCASM, FACETIOUSNESS...google them). I accept my penalties gladly, because Pixie dusts me with defeat anyway, so I just do not even care about “leagues” (biggest joke of this contrived game anyway) or “cups” (like as if my effort really matters). Pixie greases my sphincter for their own good pleasure, so my retaliation by rebelling against “the man” in my defiant act of “leaving” is actually gratifying because it demonstrates that, ultimately, I “AM” in control.
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Mindwrencher
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Posts: 89
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Post by Mindwrencher on Aug 12, 2020 22:49:07 GMT -5
I have done it all...tanked/quit, camped, hid like a wussy, ran for my bots life, gang blasted a sucker, evaporated a clown team, gotten zero points, gotten ridiculous points (+) and (-); etc, etc. Hate me if you will, but yes I will leave you blind. Call me what you will but I will sometimes wait 7+ minutes just to get my 30 silver (I’m sorry Jesus). I pay to play, and most times not a penny will leave my dragon’s hoard of real world wealth, because I refuse to pay. Mostly I purchase keys and special chest do-thingy’s, because of my MTG background...I just like the “surprise” of finding/acquiring an ultra rare once in a blue moon. I have bought 2$ bots and weapons that were befitting their 2$ price...you wouldn’t want them. And I ask this same question: Why penalize me when I leave when programmers are too lazy to just find a “drop-in” to replace me...regardless of the fact that only two minutes are left in the match? (SARCASM, FACETIOUSNESS...google them). I accept my penalties gladly, because Pixie dusts me with defeat anyway, so I just do not even care about “leagues” (biggest joke of this contrived game anyway) or “cups” (like as if my effort really matters). Pixie greases my sphincter for their own good pleasure, so my retaliation by rebelling against “the man” in my defiant act of “leaving” is actually gratifying because it demonstrates that, ultimately, I “AM” in control.
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Post by Loganspawn on Aug 13, 2020 9:52:03 GMT -5
I have done it all...tanked/quit, camped, hid like a wussy, ran for my bots life, gang blasted a sucker, evaporated a clown team, gotten zero points, gotten ridiculous points (+) and (-); etc, etc. Hate me if you will, but yes I will leave you blind. Call me what you will but I will sometimes wait 7+ minutes just to get my 30 silver (I’m sorry Jesus). I pay to play, and most times not a penny will leave my dragon’s hoard of real world wealth, because I refuse to pay. Mostly I purchase keys and special chest do-thingy’s, because of my MTG background...I just like the “surprise” of finding/acquiring an ultra rare once in a blue moon. I have bought 2$ bots and weapons that were befitting their 2$ price...you wouldn’t want them. And I ask this same question: Why penalize me when I leave when programmers are too lazy to just find a “drop-in” to replace me...regardless of the fact that only two minutes are left in the match? (SARCASM, FACETIOUSNESS...google them). I accept my penalties gladly, because Pixie dusts me with defeat anyway, so I just do not even care about “leagues” (biggest joke of this contrived game anyway) or “cups” (like as if my effort really matters). Pixie greases my sphincter for their own good pleasure, so my retaliation by rebelling against “the man” in my defiant act of “leaving” is actually gratifying because it demonstrates that, ultimately, I “AM” in control. So you dont care and you want to ruin others fun, I got it! You are miserable playing War Robots and instead of uninstalling and finding something fun you would rather stay and enjoy some S&M from Pix.
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Mindwrencher
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Posts: 89
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Post by Mindwrencher on Aug 13, 2020 23:14:21 GMT -5
I have done it all...tanked/quit, camped, hid like a wussy, ran for my bots life, gang blasted a sucker, evaporated a clown team, gotten zero points, gotten ridiculous points (+) and (-); etc, etc. Hate me if you will, but yes I will leave you blind. Call me what you will but I will sometimes wait 7+ minutes just to get my 30 silver (I’m sorry Jesus). I pay to play, and most times not a penny will leave my dragon’s hoard of real world wealth, because I refuse to pay. Mostly I purchase keys and special chest do-thingy’s, because of my MTG background...I just like the “surprise” of finding/acquiring an ultra rare once in a blue moon. I have bought 2$ bots and weapons that were befitting their 2$ price...you wouldn’t want them. And I ask this same question: Why penalize me when I leave when programmers are too lazy to just find a “drop-in” to replace me...regardless of the fact that only two minutes are left in the match? (SARCASM, FACETIOUSNESS...google them). I accept my penalties gladly, because Pixie dusts me with defeat anyway, so I just do not even care about “leagues” (biggest joke of this contrived game anyway) or “cups” (like as if my effort really matters). Pixie greases my sphincter for their own good pleasure, so my retaliation by rebelling against “the man” in my defiant act of “leaving” is actually gratifying because it demonstrates that, ultimately, I “AM” in control. So you dont care and you want to ruin others fun, I got it! You are miserable playing War Robots and instead of uninstalling and finding something fun you would rather stay and enjoy some S&M from Pix.’re Oh come off it. Spoil others fun? This match they’re on my side....next match they’re hosing me with their 2-12’s. I see them...and wonder...”Where were their 2-12’s when we just got vaporized on the same team??” I haven’t spent the last 3-4 months playing undefendably. It’s just me blowing off steam. But I truly believe that Pixie doesn’t care about “simulation”, they set us up to fail, hoping that our frustration will cough up a few bucks. And I have, and do, support them. And it’s MTG’s fault, LOL. I’ll keep going, hoping that evolution will eventually be “fair to all”, once the ownership changes.
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Mindwrencher
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Myst Hol is stirring! Witches and Wizards alike!! Prepare!! War is afoot!!
Posts: 89
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Pilot name: Mindwrencher
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Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Ravana
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Post by Mindwrencher on Aug 13, 2020 23:16:59 GMT -5
I have done it all...tanked/quit, camped, hid like a wussy, ran for my bots life, gang blasted a sucker, evaporated a clown team, gotten zero points, gotten ridiculous points (+) and (-); etc, etc. Hate me if you will, but yes I will leave you blind. Call me what you will but I will sometimes wait 7+ minutes just to get my 30 silver (I’m sorry Jesus). I pay to play, and most times not a penny will leave my dragon’s hoard of real world wealth, because I refuse to pay. Mostly I purchase keys and special chest do-thingy’s, because of my MTG background...I just like the “surprise” of finding/acquiring an ultra rare once in a blue moon. I have bought 2$ bots and weapons that were befitting their 2$ price...you wouldn’t want them. And I ask this same question: Why penalize me when I leave when programmers are too lazy to just find a “drop-in” to replace me...regardless of the fact that only two minutes are left in the match? (SARCASM, FACETIOUSNESS...google them). I accept my penalties gladly, because Pixie dusts me with defeat anyway, so I just do not even care about “leagues” (biggest joke of this contrived game anyway) or “cups” (like as if my effort really matters). Pixie greases my sphincter for their own good pleasure, so my retaliation by rebelling against “the man” in my defiant act of “leaving” is actually gratifying because it demonstrates that, ultimately, I “AM” in control. So you dont care and you want to ruin others fun, I got it! You are miserable playing War Robots and instead of uninstalling and finding something fun you would rather stay and enjoy some S&M from Pix.’re Oh come off it. Spoil others fun? This match they’re on my side....next match they’re hosing me with their 2-12’s. I see them...and wonder...”Where were their 2-12’s when we just got vaporized on the same team??” I haven’t spent the last 3-4 months playing undefendably. It’s just me blowing off steam. But I truly believe that Pixie doesn’t care about “simulation”, they set us up to fail, hoping that our frustration will cough up a few bucks. And I have, and do, support them. And it’s MTG’s fault, lol. I’ll keep going, hoping that evolution will eventually be “fair to all”, once the ownership changes.
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