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Post by dukeofadvil on Jun 16, 2020 8:45:56 GMT -5
   I want to love this bot, but I hate pulling it out of the hanger. One time in the air and sitting duck once on the ground. If I'm in any major conflict, rarely does she get to fly twice. I know a big part of the reason is I $u<k at this game, but what do you suggest I do to make her last longer? |
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Post by kingjames4 on Jun 16, 2020 9:07:13 GMT -5
Drop the useless Dragoon, replace it with another Glacier, and level everything (bot, pilot, and weapons) up. Hard to compete with level 5 mismatch weapons. It's a bot that takes some time to master the flying and landing, so give it some time. Your patience will be rewarded.
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 16, 2020 9:16:43 GMT -5
Just play it like a normal bot and whenever you feel like you are going to loose a fight then activate the powerful ability.
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Post by no pain 80 on Jun 16, 2020 9:16:50 GMT -5
It is still among the top three strongest and versatile bot of all. I would not sell it, not for 5 m or so Ag anyways. You may consider working on your weapon loadouts and play strategies. First of all, consider trying weapons with matching ranges, and find a role for your bot. Is it going to be a brawler, or a support bot? For brawling, try a weapon pair with high sustained damage like avengers, ember, vipers or redeemers. For ambushing, try glaciers, exodi or glories (not recommended since the shotgun nerf) For mid range support (not recommended because this role is not compatible with the built-in weapon), try dragoons. Mixing and matching weapons with similar mechanics, ranges or reload times are ok, imo. I doubt dragoon and glacier will sync well. Also, try and practice your landing. Landing behind a cover or your teammates will definitely increase it's survivability. Good luck and enjoy your Au Junk.
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Post by Koalabear on Jun 16, 2020 9:39:26 GMT -5
What heavies do you have available? If resources is an issue, Avengers are still decent (when leveled), and their easy to get (relatively).
A lot depends on what you have available.
If you don't have another Glacier, it just takes a month (or so) to build one. In the meantime, you can pair the one you have with Exodus, Avenger, Ember, Redeemer. Just not Dragoon due to the huge range mismatch. Plus, the weapons (except Exodus) I mentioned all either have large ammo clips or fast reload, so if your Glacier runs out, you still have one weapon to fight with that does decent damage.
Get the Ao Jun to L9 before you decide to retire it. Don't sell it. I run 2 AJs, and if I happened to get a 3rd for free, I'd run that as well. It's a fun and effective bot that is still powerful if not OP anymore. If I get caught by an Ao Jun and I'm not ready for it, it's still a guarranteed death for me.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jun 16, 2020 9:45:49 GMT -5
I want to love this bot, but I hate pulling it out of the hanger. One time in the air and sitting duck once on the ground. If I'm in any major conflict, rarely does she get to fly twice. I know a big part of the reason is I $u<k at this game, but what do you suggest I do to make her last longer? I don't know if you know this but you can practice solo. No reds to bother you and no blues wondering what the heck you are up to. Create a few solo matches so you can get used to flight distances and like no pain 80 says practice landing behind cover. "Up, in flight and forward for around 3 or 4 seconds and then flying backwards back into cover." Something like that. The in-flight fighting time is shorter than we'd all like and so it's easy to over-commit and get roasted when you land on top of a contested beacon. I only land on a beacon with my Ao Jun out of desperation. "It's now or never." Be your own coach. If you're not surviving up to your own expectations ask yourself why. And often the why will be out of your control. Hypothetically, if all you can afford is level 1 bots and weapons then getting the smack-down is really only matter of time, not choice on your part. Keep it fun. |
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Jun 16, 2020 9:48:49 GMT -5
I would never stand in the way of someone selling an Au Jun!
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Post by CrownBlack on Jun 16, 2020 9:59:09 GMT -5
honestly i would just bench it until you can get better leveled gear to put on it. the frustration isn't worth it.
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Post by mechtout on Jun 16, 2020 10:00:43 GMT -5
Half the flight to get there, half the flight to get back behind cover. Pay attention to the flight timer
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Post by Jeb on Jun 16, 2020 10:03:36 GMT -5
I run Vipers on mine so I can stay further out of range of opposing fire. Glaciers won't let you do that, you've got to get within 300m to shoot and that's just too close for comfort.
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Post by non4me on Jun 16, 2020 10:21:25 GMT -5
If you're in expert, take the time to work with it. It always takes me time to figure the tactics. Changing your current weapons load to some that are closer to the same range will make it easier to fight and survive.
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Post by hi5 on Jun 16, 2020 10:46:51 GMT -5
Still a top 3 meta bot, so that should be the only reason needed not to sell it. Good advice above - level it up to at least 9, standardize weapon ranges so you’re either mid or short range and not both, and practice using it (learning to fly backwards to land behind cover it critical).
Think about investing in a Last Stand too.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Jun 16, 2020 10:59:42 GMT -5
I would never not help someone never ever not sell their Ao Jun  |
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 16, 2020 11:10:14 GMT -5
The bot is completely broken. If you can't make it work against Griffins and Leos in Expert league then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you need some seat time in Griffins and Leos to learn the basics crutch free.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 16, 2020 11:42:11 GMT -5
For combat longevity, you have to land somewhere safe, not just behind cover but somewhere that you aren’t flanked or easily closed on. This will give your weapons time to reload and for you to assess your next target.
One thing that will help you a great deal in becoming familiar with this mech is to use weapons that have a longer reach - Avengers, Vipers, 2 Dragoons, Avalanches. What this does is allow you to get comfortable with the mechanics of Ao Jun without being so close that you necessarily are often landing near enemies. Once you’re more comfortable with how it works, then try switching to closer range weapons like Redeemers, Exodus, Glaciers, Embers...
If you play it a bunch and decide you don’t actually like it, personally my approach is to sell anything I don’t really enjoy, because every bit of resources I can get for upgrading what I do enjoy is helpful.
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Post by CarlosDanger on Jun 16, 2020 11:50:38 GMT -5
It’s all about landing. Soon as my Ao Jun takes off I’m formulating where I’m going to land. Look for cover and friendlies.
Also, what I notice about AJs lately is that they spend a lot of time blowing each other out of the sky instead of shooting ground bots. The Quantum Radar pilot seems to have taken some pressure of the walkers. You end up with one dead Ao Jun and another shredded up pretty badly.
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Post by dukeofadvil on Jun 16, 2020 12:02:19 GMT -5
The bot is completely broken. If you can't make it work against Griffins and Leos in Expert league then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you need some seat time in Griffins and Leos to learn the basics crutch free. I can make it work against Griffins and Leo's, and I have spent a couple years behind the wheel of a Griffin myself. It was my main for most of my War Robots time. Let me known if you come up with something constructive to add. |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jun 16, 2020 12:12:03 GMT -5
I've sold 3 of them. Partly out of protest, partly because I don't like the playstyle thatcit requires.
As others have said, ditch the Dragoon and commit to close-range weapons, then see how you like it. Regardless of whether you find it EFFECTIVE, ask yourself, "Do I ENJOY using this Bot?". If the answer is YES, then tweak your weapons, Pilot, and Modules, keep upgrading, and PRACTICE until it gets the job done.
If you don't enjoy it, then bench it.
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Post by CravenSouls on Jun 16, 2020 12:15:58 GMT -5
I run Vipers on mine so I can stay further out of range of opposing fire. Glaciers won't let you do that, you've got to get within 300m to shoot and that's just too close for comfort. This is what I do with mine. I only level Bots to 1.9. So staying farther away with the vipers and LD ammo help the survivability. |
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Post by Koalabear on Jun 16, 2020 12:22:21 GMT -5
Ever since I got Yang Li, I put Calamities on my DW Ao Jun and that's my anti-stealth hunter. My other Ao Jun, I've recently put back to Redeemers from Vipers. The reason is, I don't really need two AJs with reach. I'd rather have one with reach and one with more power and play it more aggressively. Also, Vipers haven't been all that useful against bots like Ravanas and Phantoms, so if I get cornered by one of those bots, I'd rather have more punch and do as much damage as possible before I bite it.
BTW, does anyone know if DOT gets erased by PS and Ravana's ability?
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 16, 2020 13:07:57 GMT -5
Drop the useless Dragoon, replace it with another Glacier, and level everything (bot, pilot, and weapons) up. Hard to compete with level 5 mismatch weapons. It's a bot that takes some time to master the flying and landing, so give it some time. Your patience will be rewarded. Just one point - Dragoon Ao Jun is actually a real pita, especially in TDM, and especially if there are a couple staying back tag teaming people ? |
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Post by foxypotato on Jun 16, 2020 13:24:40 GMT -5
The bot is completely broken. If you can't make it work against Griffins and Leos in Expert league then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you need some seat time in Griffins and Leos to learn the basics crutch free. I can make it work against Griffins and Leo's, and I have spent a couple years behind the wheel of a Griffin myself. It was my main for most of my War Robots time. Let me known if you come up with something constructive to add. You're just going to have to stick with it if you want to make it work. You don't have to play the bot if you don't want to. I would just brawl with without using the ability and save the ability to win a fight or retreat to cover. Over time with use you will get better and better with the bot and able to make use of the ability to a greater extent. |
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Post by Koalabear on Jun 16, 2020 13:31:27 GMT -5
Drop the useless Dragoon, replace it with another Glacier, and level everything (bot, pilot, and weapons) up. Hard to compete with level 5 mismatch weapons. It's a bot that takes some time to master the flying and landing, so give it some time. Your patience will be rewarded. Just one point - Dragoon Ao Jun is actually a real pita, especially in TDM, and especially if there are a couple staying back tag teaming people ? Yeah, but the Dragoons have to be really high level. I've had run ins with Dragoon AJs, and yes, they are a pain in the tushy. But, those usually have double maxed Dragoons and the pilots are probably former Bulwark or Carnage pilots who have changed up to Ao Jun. |
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 16, 2020 15:10:26 GMT -5
Just one point - Dragoon Ao Jun is actually a real pita, especially in TDM, and especially if there are a couple staying back tag teaming people ? Yeah, but the Dragoons have to be really high level. I've had run ins with Dragoon AJs, and yes, they are a pain in the tushy. But, those usually have double maxed Dragoons and the pilots are probably former Bulwark or Carnage pilots who have changed up to Ao Jun. Agreed, though I believe it depends on the league or common relative levels of the opponents. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 15:59:53 GMT -5
Regardless of whether you find it EFFECTIVE, ask yourself, "Do I ENJOY using this Bot?". If the answer is YES, then tweak your weapons, Pilot, and Modules, keep upgrading, and PRACTICE until it gets the job done. If you don't enjoy it, then bench it.
I'd have to echo this. Do you enjoy it? If yes, decide whether you want to run it CR or MR. I personally find it a disgusting blight on the game. That's why I went and got two of them. Great fun. My Calamity Ao Jun counters other Ao Jun ... nothing noteworthy there - but I run Thermites on the other one. Thermites. People may well scoff at them, but that is probably the most fun build I have. Why do I run Thermites? Because it's 「gosh darn 」 FUN. sweeeash, BOOM (well, often no BOOM ... but you get me).
If you don't enjoy it, then I'd urge you still not to sell the bot. Keep it, but don't sell it.
The more pertinent question is: what would you replace it with?
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Post by rags on Jun 16, 2020 18:07:05 GMT -5
double glacier with deathmark does more damage to titans than anything else right now.
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Post by bravex on Jun 16, 2020 18:38:33 GMT -5
Just as in real life, the flying is easy but the landings are difficult.
If you land poorly you will die. Eventually you master the art of coming down in safety.
These days I hardly ever land stupidly.
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Post by NexusBlade on Jun 16, 2020 19:01:47 GMT -5
A 600m sniping weapon and a 300m ambush and brawling weapon, why. Just why.
Use another glacier, or something comparable.
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Post by frunobulax on Jun 16, 2020 19:19:18 GMT -5
As others have said, ditch the Dragoon and commit to close-range weapons, then see how you like it. Regardless of whether you find it EFFECTIVE, ask yourself, "Do I ENJOY using this Bot?". If the answer is YES, then tweak your weapons, Pilot, and Modules, keep upgrading, and PRACTICE until it gets the job done. If you don't enjoy it, then bench it. Good advice.
Having said that, the Ao Jun is IMHO one of the bots with a fairly steep learning curve. It takes time to get the flight mechanics right, and you'll need to learn exactly where to take off (for example, on Carrier you can cap a beacon if you start from the lower level but not if you start from the upper level), and most importantly where to land. The gliding at the end of the flight takes some getting used to, and many Ao Jun pilots have seen an untimely demise because they ended up somewhere they really didn't want to be (for example in deep water). But with time, you'll learn how to land in cover or one step away from cover.
So yeah, as others have said: Get a pair of weapons with similar characteristics (same range, both either brawling or midrange). And frankly, it works better as an ambush bot than a midranger. I'd kick the Dragoon and replace it with a high-DPS weapon.
Don't sell it. Avenger Ao Jun is one of the most efficient bots all the way up to Champ. And if you have the chance to buy the legendary pilot (Lee), he's worth it. Nothing like having an Ao Jun with Lee ready if you know that Lokis or Nightinggales are giving your team a hard time. Needless to say, my two Avenger AJs are often last bots out of my hangar as I use them as anti-titan weapons late in the game. Not effective against level 150 Mings, but then, what is? They do fine against lower level titans.
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Post by T34 on Jun 16, 2020 20:21:55 GMT -5
Drop the useless Dragoon, replace it with another Glacier, and level everything (bot, pilot, and weapons) up. Hard to compete with level 5 mismatch weapons. It's a bot that takes some time to master the flying and landing, so give it some time. Your patience will be rewarded. Just one point - Dragoon Ao Jun is actually a real pita, especially in TDM, and especially if there are a couple staying back tag teaming people ? Yes. It is one of the best kill stealers in TDM. Cant remember the guy's name but see him time to time who uses 2.12 Dragoons on his Jun and he really racks up the kills. Doesnt score high but often tops the table due to the number of kills he gets. Usually the situation is somehting like i am wearing a bot down and just before the kill, in comes the the repeated dragoon lights and red blows up. |
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