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Post by Pulse Hadron on Apr 20, 2020 4:09:51 GMT -5
Saw this on FB and thought it interesting. This is the first time they’ve admitted to doing this I think but they don’t mention the Rating Inflation they also do...
Did you know that there is such a thing as Rating amortization in the league system of War Robots?
The feature backs you up in case of a very unlucky losing streak. It also prevents you from going back to the lower leagues if you decide to drop your league rating on purpose.
If you start losing too many matches in a row, the league system will adjust the amount of rating points you lose after each fight. After a certain number of lost battles, each consecutive defeat will have a progressively smaller impact on your rating. This will shield your hard-won position in leagues from occasional series of unlucky matches.
We wouldn't recommend trying it out though. Remember that losing matches intentionally is considered cheating in our game.
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Apr 20, 2020 4:13:47 GMT -5
Didn't know there was a name for it. I've just read many forumites explanations of the phenomena.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 7:00:43 GMT -5
All Pix needs to do is eliminate negative rank points....bad performers get zero, and no rewards or Ag......simple, tanking is non issue, the birds come back out with their melodies, life is good again!
Pix enjoys the chaos and hurt feelings, which usually results in an increase of IAPs for their game......bummer........
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 7:03:18 GMT -5
Didn't know there was a name for it. I've just read many forumites explanations of the phenomena. I remember a Earl explaining this to me once....he called it Phildoneedforgetitupitis, and it is a chronic, incurable condition. Man, he explains stuff so much better than I....Earl, come back! |
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Apr 20, 2020 7:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Apr 20, 2020 7:11:58 GMT -5
My thoughts on the "Push" to place people in Champions League; Given the choice they'd stay the F out.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 7:13:39 GMT -5
My thoughts on the "Push" to place people in Champions League; Exactly....it is like......  |
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Post by Shockwave on Apr 20, 2020 7:37:20 GMT -5
Well then its doing a s---ty job because I keep dropping leagues to stay away from ridiculous Overpowered players and my strategy is still working.
At this point in the game I play by my own rules and if by dropping leagues allows to enjoy my favorite robots then so it be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 8:00:21 GMT -5
Well then its doing a s---ty job because I keep dropping leagues to stay away from ridiculous Overpowered players and my strategy is still working. At this point in the game I play by my own rules and if by dropping leagues allows to enjoy my favorite robots then so it be. Not sure what your levels are, but my 9/10 gear, with a few MK2 machine guns, hang well in Champs atm It really is not bad there, at least most of the time.....I do have to play very hard to maintain my level, but I should have to in Champs. I do not run and gun for a minute or so to drop cancer, either....brawl is my style, and Arthur shores up any bad news items reds drop in. |
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Post by Shockwave on Apr 20, 2020 8:31:52 GMT -5
Well then its doing a s---ty job because I keep dropping leagues to stay away from ridiculous Overpowered players and my strategy is still working. At this point in the game I play by my own rules and if by dropping leagues allows to enjoy my favorite robots then so it be. Not sure what your levels are, but my 9/10 gear, with a few MK2 machine guns, hang well in Champs atm It really is not bad there, at least most of the time.....I do have to play very hard to maintain my level, but I should have to in Champs. I do not run and gun for a minute or so to drop cancer, either....brawl is my style, and Arthur shores up any bad news items reds drop in. I don't upgrade my bots past Level 9 and level 7 for weapons to prevent reach champion league but is not working anymore because even with this level of equipment I still manage to get into champion or face Max whale in the Expert and Master line. So I have to constantly drop leagues to prevent ended up being in Champion. Yes, I win games on champion even with my limited gear but that's because the MM wants it that way. Just like Pixonic said, after a streak of losses the MM will put me against terrible players to win again, recover my "confidence" and preventing me to drop leagues. It's the never ending circle of one-side matches were is " Dominated or getting dominated" depending of your % of wins. Champion league is not worth to get slaughter like a pig when you run totally not OP setups. And the Champion crate is a f-----g joke for all that work to get it. |
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Post by rags on Apr 20, 2020 8:41:18 GMT -5
Not sure what your levels are, but my 9/10 gear, with a few MK2 machine guns, hang well in Champs atm It really is not bad there, at least most of the time.....I do have to play very hard to maintain my level, but I should have to in Champs. I do not run and gun for a minute or so to drop cancer, either....brawl is my style, and Arthur shores up any bad news items reds drop in. I don't upgrade my bots past Level 9 and level 7 for weapons to prevent reach champion league but is not working anymore because even with this level of equipment I still manage to get into champion or face Max whale in the Expert and Master line. So I have to constantly drop leagues to prevent ended up being in Champion. Yes, I win games on champion even with my limited gear but that's because the MM wants it that way. Just like Pixonic said, after a streak of losses the MM will put me against terrible players to win again, recover my "confidence" and preventing me to drop leagues. It's the never ending circle of one-side matches were is " Dominated or getting dominated" depending of your % of wins. Champion league is not worth to get slaughter like a pig when you run totally not OP setups. And the Champion crate is a f-----g joke for all that work to get it. If you’re in masters, you’re getting thrown in with champions anyway so might as well upgrade. You don’t need to use OP gear, you just need to have your stuff leveled up and play it well. |
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Post by rags on Apr 20, 2020 8:41:56 GMT -5
At OP yea we’ve known this for a while. You can still tank tho just not as fast.
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Post by alphaomega001 on Apr 20, 2020 8:49:56 GMT -5
Oh I thought you wanted us to rate the atomizer.「dookie」 lol
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Post by alphaomega001 on Apr 20, 2020 8:52:35 GMT -5
Saw this on FB and thought it interesting. This is the first time they’ve admitted to doing this I think but they don’t mention the Rating Inflation they also do... Did you know that there is such a thing as Rating amortization in the league system of War Robots? The feature backs you up in case of a very unlucky losing streak. It also prevents you from going back to the lower leagues if you decide to drop your league rating on purpose. If you start losing too many matches in a row, the league system will adjust the amount of rating points you lose after each fight. After a certain number of lost battles, each consecutive defeat will have a progressively smaller impact on your rating. This will shield your hard-won position in leagues from occasional series of unlucky matches. We wouldn't recommend trying it out though. Remember that losing matches intentionally is considered cheating in our game. Yes this also pertains to another thread that was just done that I posted on . |
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Post by Shockwave on Apr 20, 2020 9:06:29 GMT -5
I don't upgrade my bots past Level 9 and level 7 for weapons to prevent reach champion league but is not working anymore because even with this level of equipment I still manage to get into champion or face Max whale in the Expert and Master line. So I have to constantly drop leagues to prevent ended up being in Champion. Yes, I win games on champion even with my limited gear but that's because the MM wants it that way. Just like Pixonic said, after a streak of losses the MM will put me against terrible players to win again, recover my "confidence" and preventing me to drop leagues. It's the never ending circle of one-side matches were is " Dominated or getting dominated" depending of your % of wins. Champion league is not worth to get slaughter like a pig when you run totally not OP setups. And the Champion crate is a f-----g joke for all that work to get it. If you’re in masters, you’re getting thrown in with champions anyway so might as well upgrade. You don’t need to use OP gear, you just need to have your stuff leveled up and play it well. Ok let me explain: 1. Like I said, I don't upgrade my equipment past 9/7 to prevent reach champion as much as possible. 2. I can't upgrade my equipment that easily because I live by day. What I mean is that a soon as I have silver for an upgrade I use it and after that back to 0 silver. Paying 35m for a level 10 or 11m for a level 8 weapon is too much for my play style. 3. If I truly want it I could play more and try to get as much silver as possible to have a powerful hangar but since I'm a player that like variety and I'm constantly rotation my hangar every week is impossible to me to try and upgrade all my robots and pilots. 4. I don't want to complete focus on 5 robots by investing all my hard earned resources just to be nerfed a couple of months later. Besides using the same 5 bots over and over like what whales do is just absolute boring, at least for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 10:15:48 GMT -5
Not sure what your levels are, but my 9/10 gear, with a few MK2 machine guns, hang well in Champs atm It really is not bad there, at least most of the time.....I do have to play very hard to maintain my level, but I should have to in Champs. I do not run and gun for a minute or so to drop cancer, either....brawl is my style, and Arthur shores up any bad news items reds drop in. I don't upgrade my bots past Level 9 and level 7 for weapons to prevent reach champion league but is not working anymore because even with this level of equipment I still manage to get into champion or face Max whale in the Expert and Master line. So I have to constantly drop leagues to prevent ended up being in Champion. Yes, I win games on champion even with my limited gear but that's because the MM wants it that way. Just like Pixonic said, after a streak of losses the MM will put me against terrible players to win again, recover my "confidence" and preventing me to drop leagues. It's the never ending circle of one-side matches were is " Dominated or getting dominated" depending of your % of wins. Champion league is not worth to get slaughter like a pig when you run totally not OP setups. And the Champion crate is a f-----g joke for all that work to get it. I can tell you the steamroll deathsquad matches are still far and few between....so far, anyways. I’m over 5350 cups now, and have a good mix of “predetermined” battles with fierce nail biters...and the occasional death squad or max Ming garbage..... |
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Post by Loganspawn on Apr 20, 2020 11:45:54 GMT -5
I don't upgrade my bots past Level 9 and level 7 for weapons to prevent reach champion league but is not working anymore because even with this level of equipment I still manage to get into champion or face Max whale in the Expert and Master line. So I have to constantly drop leagues to prevent ended up being in Champion. Yes, I win games on champion even with my limited gear but that's because the MM wants it that way. Just like Pixonic said, after a streak of losses the MM will put me against terrible players to win again, recover my "confidence" and preventing me to drop leagues. It's the never ending circle of one-side matches were is " Dominated or getting dominated" depending of your % of wins. Champion league is not worth to get slaughter like a pig when you run totally not OP setups. And the Champion crate is a f-----g joke for all that work to get it. I can tell you the steamroll deathsquad matches are still far and few between....so far, anyways. I’m over 5350 cups now, and have a good mix of “predetermined” battles with fierce nail biters...and the occasional death squad or max Ming garbage..... I would say Solo, Duo and full squad I am getting much better matches than before. Running 3 to 5 in a squad can still be dicey and be met with a few too many full Red squads IMO. Just my observations. I still lose plenty when solo but not as many full blowouts or it being a squad of reds. |
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Post by mechtout on Apr 20, 2020 11:48:56 GMT -5
Now they need to admit to weapon and bot power amortization over time.
"Did you know that op weapon you purchased will amortize over time?....." XD
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 11:57:15 GMT -5
Now they need to admit to weapon and bot power amortization over time. "Did you know that op weapon you purchased will amortize over time?....." XD Kinda a statement of the obvious.....however, some content has a shorter lifespan than other content. I miss my Orkans and Shotguns..... |
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Post by mechtout on Apr 20, 2020 15:09:08 GMT -5
Now they need to admit to weapon and bot power amortization over time. "Did you know that op weapon you purchased will amortize over time?....." XD Kinda a statement of the obvious.....however, some content has a shorter lifespan than other content. I miss my Orkans and Shotguns..... Yup basically laughable the reasons they come up for rebalance, should just come clean |
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Post by thirtyseven on Apr 20, 2020 16:17:16 GMT -5
I wonder... I lose most of the time but still move up since I manage to grab 1st/2nd 85% of my losses. When I do manage to win, I sometimes strangely get 2-3 times the normal amount of league rating and clan points than what a normal win at 1st would grant (no clan members in the match). Other forumites have noted this as well. Is this because of the amortization stuff going on that suddenly increases the rank gained by wins, even if you weren't even ranking down?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 16:26:39 GMT -5
I wonder... I lose most of the time but still move up since I manage to grab 1st/2nd 85% of my losses. When I do manage to win, I sometimes strangely get 2-3 times the normal amount of league rating and clan points than what a normal win at 1st would grant (no clan members in the match). Other forumites have noted this as well. Is this because of the amortization stuff going on that suddenly increases the rank gained by wins, even if you weren't even ranking down? I will say when I lose, and place high, I am drowning in Ag.....when I win, and place high, I see not as much Ag but reap those +28-32 rank points, lol I keep saying it.....these days, it pays to lose! If your doing the job, anyways..... |
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Post by rags on Apr 20, 2020 16:33:22 GMT -5
I can tell you the steamroll deathsquad matches are still far and few between....so far, anyways. I’m over 5350 cups now, and have a good mix of “predetermined” battles with fierce nail biters...and the occasional death squad or max Ming garbage..... I would say Solo, Duo and full squad I am getting much better matches than before. Running 3 to 5 in a squad can still be dicey and be met with a few too many full Red squads IMO. Just my observations. I still lose plenty when solo but not as many full blowouts or it being a squad of reds. Win % seems more stable around 50%. Still get crap teams half the time. |
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Post by OU812? on Apr 20, 2020 17:35:23 GMT -5
Not sure what your levels are, but my 9/10 gear, with a few MK2 machine guns, hang well in Champs atm It really is not bad there, at least most of the time.....I do have to play very hard to maintain my level, but I should have to in Champs. I do not run and gun for a minute or so to drop cancer, either....brawl is my style, and Arthur shores up any bad news items reds drop in. I don't upgrade my bots past Level 9 and level 7 for weapons to prevent reach champion league but is not working anymore because even with this level of equipment I still manage to get into champion or face Max whale in the Expert and Master line. So I have to constantly drop leagues to prevent ended up being in Champion. Yes, I win games on champion even with my limited gear but that's because the MM wants it that way. Just like Pixonic said, after a streak of losses the MM will put me against terrible players to win again, recover my "confidence" and preventing me to drop leagues. It's the never ending circle of one-side matches were is " Dominated or getting dominated" depending of your % of wins. Champion league is not worth to get slaughter like a pig when you run totally not OP setups. And the Champion crate is a f-----g joke for all that work to get it. Pix has recently lowered the requirements for the Champion crate. It’s not the slog it once was. |
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Post by OU812? on Apr 20, 2020 17:36:25 GMT -5
When I first read the title to this thread I thought it said ‘rating monetization’. ?
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Post by T34 on Apr 20, 2020 17:40:49 GMT -5
To the tankers.
Traditional tanking is not worth it any longer IMO. Firstly, even if you tank and come last on the winning team you can pick up +32 cups if you have lost a number of games. On the up bounce you will start picking up +32 cups 2 or 3 times in a row if you do well. so you could tank 15 games and play three and have to do the tanking cycle again. Wast of time. If you stay in the sweet spot in terms of league position where the wild swings wont affect you, you will still drift up. End up in Champions League even with a 6/6 hanger.
Secondly, everyone is moving up. This will dilute Champions League. The same system will move the maxed players up the same way and in a short time frame and they will be out of your MM-ing zone. I reckon, in Champions League there is like a 5000 cup spread when players are selected for most matches. Most matches, not all. The krill feeding is not as bad now as it was before the change.
Once you reach equilibrium then you will be in the meat grinder. During the updrift if you slow your progress down a bit by the occasional tank than the benefits will still be there to some extent and can avoid the meat grinder.
It will be interesting when someone works out how this system works.
Edit: should also add that now everyone will be pushed up to Champions League rather fast. At the season's reset things may get ugly but as time progresses the field will be separated. Issue with this system is that it doesnt take into account properly those players with highly lvelled gear who dont play as much.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Apr 20, 2020 18:28:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I knew about the league rating amortization or whatever it's called for a few months now. I think it's been there for almost a year or something.
As for the random upswing in league points where you get monstrous +32 points and all that, I think they have something to do with the platform merge.
If you're an Android player and play with 4-5 iOS/Amazon players, the system thinks that you played 1v6 or 2v6 and allocate you league points accordingly.
For example, I played a match with 1 other Android player and 4 iOS/Amazon players. I come first with the other Android guy comes last and win the battle. The system believes that we 2v6 the other team and pulled off some sort of miracle win and goes "Damn dude, you deserve a bonus. Instead of higher silver/gold, have some extra league points".
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Post by thirtyseven on Apr 20, 2020 20:44:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I knew about the league rating amortization or whatever it's called for a few months now. I think it's been there for almost a year or something. As for the random upswing in league points where you get monstrous +32 points and all that, I think they have something to do with the platform merge. If you're an Android player and play with 4-5 iOS/Amazon players, the system thinks that you played 1v6 or 2v6 and allocate you league points accordingly. For example, I played a match with 1 other Android player and 4 iOS/Amazon players. I come first with the other Android guy comes last and win the battle. The system believes that we 2v6 the other team and pulled off some sort of miracle win and goes "Damn dude, you deserve a bonus. Instead of higher silver/gold, have some extra league points". Interesting... I'll probably start recording these games to see if I can collect data. |
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Post by T34 on Apr 20, 2020 22:07:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I knew about the league rating amortization or whatever it's called for a few months now. I think it's been there for almost a year or something. As for the random upswing in league points where you get monstrous +32 points and all that, I think they have something to do with the platform merge. If you're an Android player and play with 4-5 iOS/Amazon players, the system thinks that you played 1v6 or 2v6 and allocate you league points accordingly. For example, I played a match with 1 other Android player and 4 iOS/Amazon players. I come first with the other Android guy comes last and win the battle. The system believes that we 2v6 the other team and pulled off some sort of miracle win and goes "Damn dude, you deserve a bonus. Instead of higher silver/gold, have some extra league points". Amortization was there indeed for over a year but this is different now. Way different. I really dont think it has anything to do with the platform merge. Here are some reasons: - you can get really weird numbers like +18 all the way to +40 from what i've seen (platforms dont have anything to do with the range of points you can get) - you can have all blues from say ios and you score a few hundreed K above the second place getter and still end up with +21 (just had that now) - you can come second and still end up with a +32 where the first place getter has more beacons, more kills and more honur points but you scored (damage) a little bit more than him - when you come dead last on the winning team with other ios players and you have like a 10K damage score you can still pick up +32 at times (this i need to pay more attention). Picking up a +32 while dead last on a winning team is almost a certanty when you have performed badly over a number of games. This mechanisms seems to somehow establish an expected trend for you (upward trend). If you fall below the expected trend than you cop the big +ve cups. If you go above the trend you cop both the big positive cups and also larger negative cups. The difference however is that the negative score only goes down to -22 and the big plus score goes beyond +32. This mecahnism will take a bit of time to figure out but seems so random at this stage. Edit: also been playing around with different hanger compositions and see nori natashas, nashorn natashas along with griffins when i put in a weaker bot or two. And i am not in low Champions League now. |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Apr 20, 2020 22:18:14 GMT -5
「fluffernutter」, I hate tankers, a lot, like a really really lot. Too bad Pix wants them around for some reason.
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