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Post by CrownBlack on Mar 20, 2017 14:12:06 GMT -5
Ok, approaching 5k au. I am at the crossroads or trading in my Zeus Carny for a TT Fury. I check out the top tier guys all the time and I know they all run these and Lances. My dilema, buy the Fury?, buy the Lance? or since the new League point system came into play just wait and see if anything new comes out(since I am miles away from being in any top leauge and going backwards!). I am currently in Silver I. The bad part is during the time I waste for something new then I could have been upgrading one of these bots. I keep hearing about new bots but wonder if they will ever come out and if they do only during special events?? You guys know your stuff on here. What would you do?
If i got the Lance then the Carny would stay active and I would retire a Griff.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 14:16:32 GMT -5
I really enjoy the Lance, and enjoy it even more after switching from Thunder/Ork to Ancilot. My Trident Fury is level 9. It rides the bench. I bring it in every so often, and it is just never fun to drive. So if you're asking me, don't buy the Fury now, unless you really like moping around the edges of battle. When I use tridents, I put them on Carnage - less damage, but way more mobility and ability to deliver precision hits from anywhere on the map.
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Post by Replicant on Mar 20, 2017 14:24:05 GMT -5
I've been sitting on 5K Au and 15K WSP for over a month. I'm in no hurry to buy a Fury or Lance. With all that's going on with Match Maker and the test servers, wait and see is my mantra.
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Post by ☆ CORVUSNEX ☆ on Mar 20, 2017 14:48:15 GMT -5
If you are in Silver league, there is probably no need for a Fury or even a Lancelot. If your hangar approaches max level you might want to build a taran ancilot because they are really effective. Until then, I recommend waiting.
The Zeus Carnage, leveled up to at least 9/10, is a great midrange option. I see them all the damn time in Expert/Master league games. Even Legend players have them.
Once the new Dash bots and the buffed Rog come online (and Pixo fixes the Zeus damage bug) the you will see SO MANY Zeus Carnages and Furies. The meta seems to be shifting towards energy shields, and the Zeus' range, ease-of-use and high damage will make it a winner against everything but Rhinos and the Brit bots.
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Post by ☆ CORVUSNEX ☆ on Mar 20, 2017 14:50:48 GMT -5
And the Zeus Carnage does fairly well against the shielded bots because its speed allows it to get into flanking position easily. Personally, in battle I am more worried about a Zeus Carnage than a Zeus Fury, because I know a Fury is not going to be able to flank me until mid-battle. Carnage can do it all match long.
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Mar 20, 2017 14:57:18 GMT -5
Higher Tier Lancelots are only worth if they are equiped with Ancile, so you not only have to think about him, but you also have to think about an Ancile later on. Zeus Carnage > TT Fury IMO, and even better when they fix the Zeus bug. If you dont have one Galahad, I would get one for now, its not so expensive and you will not regret it. I was on the same dilema when I was going for Fury and lancelot, with Fury will take you quite a long time to get him dealing damage if your stuff isnt upgraded, so between those 2 I would go for Lancelot first, you already have a great midrange wich is Carnage/Zeus. For low tier Lancelot: Tarans/Thunder OR Orkans/Thunder For high tier Lancelot: Tarans/Ancile OR Orkans/Thunder (Direct counter to Ancilot). Get the Fury when you can afford another Zeus.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 20, 2017 15:37:16 GMT -5
OP... How do you do with the Carny? Are you dissatisfied with it? IF so, what levels are you running with the Bot and Weapons?
Personally, after seeing this question a lot of times... I think it comes down to what you want to play. Do you enjoy Boa and Leo play? OR do you prefer the Natty mid-range play? If the former, then get a Lance. IF the latter, get a Fury. Both see extensive use all the way up the tiers.
If unsure, the dash bots and Rog buff may very well be worth the wait.
Now, my personal experience... (filled with opinion and bias):
Lance is way more fun. I JUST put a Tri Fury back in yesterday (Fury is my only bot that gets any use that is still not leveled past 6) in order to be able to have both Zeus and Trident options available. I have 2 Carnies, and have ran them both as mid-range before, but have fallen back in love with the Dbl Thunder Carny, so I needed another platform for the Tridents. Now that the Bullet RoF Buff has hit, however, I am going to put 2 Molots on my Natty, which is already lvl 8 so I won't be as sluggish getting to the fight, and keeps me happy since I, frankly, loathe the Fury. The Natty provides a bit more variety, if not effectiveness, than the Fury, which is higher on my list than damage dealt.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 15:46:33 GMT -5
Lance is way more fun. I JUST put a Tri Fury back in yesterday (Fury is my only bot that gets any use that is still not leveled past 6) in order to be able to have both Zeus and Trident options available. I have 2 Carnies, and have ran them both as mid-range before, but have fallen back in love with the Dbl Thunder Carny, so I needed another platform for the Tridents. Now that the Bullet RoF Buff has hit, however, I am going to put 2 Molots on my Natty, which is already lvl 8 so I won't be as sluggish getting to the fight, and keeps me happy since I, frankly, loathe the Fury. The Natty provides a bit more variety, if not effectiveness, than the Fury, which is higher on my list than damage dealt. Nat honestly isn't that much less effective than a Fury, and it has the advantage of being relatively inexpensive to upgrade. For someone who is max/min'ing their top end hangar, it might be worth it... but if you are still building up then I don't see a strong need for the Fury. The Lance, on the other hand, represents a tangible improvement over other bots that might fill the same role. If you want to spend gold, he's the better bot to spend it on.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 20, 2017 16:11:10 GMT -5
Lance is way more fun. I JUST put a Tri Fury back in yesterday (Fury is my only bot that gets any use that is still not leveled past 6) in order to be able to have both Zeus and Trident options available. I have 2 Carnies, and have ran them both as mid-range before, but have fallen back in love with the Dbl Thunder Carny, so I needed another platform for the Tridents. Now that the Bullet RoF Buff has hit, however, I am going to put 2 Molots on my Natty, which is already lvl 8 so I won't be as sluggish getting to the fight, and keeps me happy since I, frankly, loathe the Fury. The Natty provides a bit more variety, if not effectiveness, than the Fury, which is higher on my list than damage dealt. Nat honestly isn't that much less effective than a Fury, and it has the advantage of being relatively inexpensive to upgrade. For someone who is max/min'ing their top end hangar, it might be worth it... but if you are still building up then I don't see a strong need for the Fury. The Lance, on the other hand, represents a tangible improvement over other bots that might fill the same role. If you want to spend gold, he's the better bot to spend it on. That basically summed up what I said without all the fluff LOL! Thanks! And I agree... I tried to say that the Nat doesn't lose effectiveness, but gains versatility, with that statement, maybe I worded it wrongly. But yeah, no doubt the Fury is a good tool for competitive play at the top, and on down the rungs, really. But I hate it. So boring. At least the Nat provides the 2 light weapons for variety. And you get the exact same HP and speed as the Fury, for much less, just like you said. I like running Zeus and Puns on it, tbh, but decided I should run the Zeus on the Carny and use that mobility in conjunction with the faster firing cycle of the Zeus... and have a more sedentary platform for the Tridents in the Natty. I have ran Tridents on the Carny a lot, and it is good... but I think that the Natty w Molots will serve better for the way I like to play. And is easily transformed to a Long Range platform with a couple of Trebs or Nashorns if one is so inclined. The Gekko may fit trebs better, but either will suffice... with Molots being a damn good choice for the budget wary types among us. We shall seeeeee.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 16:16:14 GMT -5
That basically summed up what I said without all the fluff LOL! Thanks! And I agree... I tried to say that the Nat doesn't lose effectiveness, but gains versatility, with that statement, maybe I worded it wrongly. But yeah, no doubt the Fury is a good tool for competitive play at the top, and on down the rungs, really. I've heard that great minds think alike. It appears deranged ones do as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 16:31:47 GMT -5
Eh, I was waiting to see if the Dash was released, or anything else I might like that's new and different, but I decided that by the time anything substantial was released I'd probably be close to having the Au again. If not, $5-$10 and I would, so I bought a Lancelot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 19:44:02 GMT -5
suntron provided this link in another thread to a comment by Pix that gives some insight on the Dash bot release: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/post/60809/threadI added the yellow font for emphasis: "Q: For the “dash” prototype… You basically made a Griffin/Carnage/Fujin hybrid. Remove the energy shield, increase the cooldown even more?—?and maybe after that you can call it at least somewhat balanced. A: That’s what the public test server is for! Comment: The dashers are, indeed, a tad too strong in their current state. We decided to balance them step by step, making slight tweaks every week. There is still quite some time to do that, since they are still very early in production."
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Post by Replicant on Mar 20, 2017 20:56:15 GMT -5
...If you dont have one Galahad, I would get one for now, its not so expensive and you will not regret it... I'll second this. I've had the Galahad in my line-up since I bought him. I still enjoy playing the Carnage more, but the Galahad is very dependable.
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Post by The VVatcher on Mar 20, 2017 21:50:21 GMT -5
You guys have to keep in mind that the Wild Bunch hasn't even been released for gold purchase yet. And the Dash bots will most likely involve the use of coins only available for the next event.
OP, you can be waiting for a very long time and the gold everyone is telling you to save will be sitting in your inventory for months. It is highly likely that you will have at least enough to get the midweight by that time.
And who's to say that these "event bots" will be purchaseable by au. They certainly haven't showed us that yet .
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 20, 2017 22:02:49 GMT -5
You guys have to keep in mind that the Wild Bunch hasn't even been released for gold purchase yet. And the Dash bots will most likely involve the use of coins only available for the next event. OP, you can be waiting for a very long time and the gold everyone is telling you to save will be sitting in your inventory for months. It is highly likely that you will have at least enough to get the midweight by that time. And who's to say that these "event bots" will be purchaseable by au. They certainly haven't showed us that yet . Yeah fellas, might as well get some cool paintjobs in the meantime.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Mar 22, 2017 6:34:53 GMT -5
...If you dont have one Galahad, I would get one for now, its not so expensive and you will not regret it... I'll second this. I've had the Galahad in my line-up since I bought him. I still enjoy playing the Carnage more, but the Galahad is very dependable. I'll third this! The Galahad is the most versatile bot in the game. With speed, shield, and firepower it does it all well. It might not be the best at any one thing, but the combined capabilities make it must have in my hanger.
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Post by cypho on Mar 22, 2017 7:04:26 GMT -5
Some good advice here.
I have a Lance, TT Fury and ZZ-Carny; I run all three and find them all reliable and enjoyable in their different ways, but my favorite of the three is definitely the Carny. Much more versatile, powerful and suits a faster paced playing style.
The Gala is indeed a decent alternative for where you are at the moment. This may be controversial as many players really love the gala, but I would say it's usefulness declines steeply at the top of gold league, going into diamond, because of the popularity of rockets which render the shield useless.
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Post by BLYTHE on Mar 22, 2017 7:53:22 GMT -5
I'll second this. I've had the Galahad in my line-up since I bought him. I still enjoy playing the Carnage more, but the Galahad is very dependable. I'll third this! The Galahad is the most versatile bot in the game. With speed, shield, and firepower it does it all well. It might not be the best at any one thing, but the combined capabilities make it must have in my hanger. Heck, get 2 galahads.
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Post by mechtout on Mar 22, 2017 7:59:04 GMT -5
You already have your 5th hangar slot?
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Post by jazzykat on Mar 22, 2017 8:41:06 GMT -5
I was in your shoes in a couple months ago, except my RDB isn't as good as a Zeus/Carny. Since I won an Ancile in the Chinese new year event I made an ancilot (I had 2 leveled Tridents though...) and I think I made the right choice. No other bot brawls so hard, I mean nothing. Also, as you go up in levels your team mates start to get better (even random ones) so while you may face a 3 on 1 and lasting a long time if you are smart, they just capped a bunch of beacons and while you might not have scored a ton of damage you probably just won. There is also the possibility to get team mates under your ancile. The Ancilot is for team players.
The TT is what I will probably get in another month but I am far from convinced because while it is remarkably powerful, I see a ton of sniper bros with them who prefer to stand around and lose when beacons or territory need to be taken, as long as they don't get blown up and they are getting pot shots off (regardless of wether the robots are a real threat to the game state). Now whether the bot just sucks or the players do is still TBD as I have never piloted a TT but the amount of times I see that on both teams is pretty phenomenal. For reference I am in Gold 2.
If you don't have a PDB Galahad get one first. For half the gold it has the ability to sometimes disrupt as much as an ancilot (assuming you are not going into a lot of rockets) and you are moving much faster so it is a viable "power runner".
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 22, 2017 9:28:59 GMT -5
Some good advice here. I have a Lance, TT Fury and ZZ-Carny; I run all three and find them all reliable and enjoyable in their different ways, but my favorite of the three is definitely the Carny. Much more versatile, powerful and suits a faster paced playing style. The Gala is indeed a decent alternative for where you are at the moment. This may be controversial as many players really love the gala, but I would say it's usefulness declines steeply at the top of gold league, going into diamond, because of the popularity of rockets which render the shield useless. Yeah but at level 9 and up, you can still run away with the shield down and not get hit by all or even, most, of the Ork and Pinata rockets. Hell I do it in mine and it's a level 8. The higher up you go, the more your team matters. If you have a good Ancile bot on your team, try and get them to run with you, with you on point... so you can use their shield and they can use yours.
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Post by cypho on Mar 22, 2017 10:05:37 GMT -5
Some good advice here. I have a Lance, TT Fury and ZZ-Carny; I run all three and find them all reliable and enjoyable in their different ways, but my favorite of the three is definitely the Carny. Much more versatile, powerful and suits a faster paced playing style. The Gala is indeed a decent alternative for where you are at the moment. This may be controversial as many players really love the gala, but I would say it's usefulness declines steeply at the top of gold league, going into diamond, because of the popularity of rockets which render the shield useless. Yeah but at level 9 and up, you can still run away with the shield down and not get hit by all or even, most, of the Ork and Pinata rockets. Hell I do it in mine and it's a level 8. The higher up you go, the more your team matters. If you have a good Ancile bot on your team, try and get them to run with you, with you on point... so you can use their shield and they can use yours. I've managed to do that a handful of times, with a lance / carnage pairing. It's beautiful...
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Mar 22, 2017 19:38:25 GMT -5
Higher Tier Lancelots are only worth if they are equiped with Ancile, so you not only have to think about him, but you also have to think about an Ancile later on. Zeus Carnage > TT Fury IMO, and even better when they fix the Zeus bug. If you dont have one Galahad, I would get one for now, its not so expensive and you will not regret it. I was on the same dilema when I was going for Fury and lancelot, with Fury will take you quite a long time to get him dealing damage if your stuff isnt upgraded, so between those 2 I would go for Lancelot first, you already have a great midrange wich is Carnage/Zeus. For low tier Lancelot: Tarans/Thunder OR Orkans/Thunder For high tier Lancelot: Tarans/Ancile OR Orkans/Thunder (Direct counter to Ancilot). Get the Fury when you can afford another Zeus. Do do think the Zeus Fury is legit? I love my Zeus Carney. The issue sometimes is that I last all match. When sometimes I should learn to eject earlier - difficult when having so much fun. I was thinking x3 Zeus on a Fury and limit to 3 mins on any map. Damage in and then get out. I ask as I have a Fury and it warms my bench. I hardly ever use it. Itching to save and buy a 3rd Zeus so I can run the Fury and increase damage output.
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Mar 22, 2017 21:29:56 GMT -5
Higher Tier Lancelots are only worth if they are equiped with Ancile, so you not only have to think about him, but you also have to think about an Ancile later on. Zeus Carnage > TT Fury IMO, and even better when they fix the Zeus bug. If you dont have one Galahad, I would get one for now, its not so expensive and you will not regret it. I was on the same dilema when I was going for Fury and lancelot, with Fury will take you quite a long time to get him dealing damage if your stuff isnt upgraded, so between those 2 I would go for Lancelot first, you already have a great midrange wich is Carnage/Zeus. For low tier Lancelot: Tarans/Thunder OR Orkans/Thunder For high tier Lancelot: Tarans/Ancile OR Orkans/Thunder (Direct counter to Ancilot). Get the Fury when you can afford another Zeus. Do do think the Zeus Fury is legit? I love my Zeus Carney. The issue sometimes is that I last all match. When sometimes I should learn to eject earlier - difficult when having so much fun. I was thinking x3 Zeus on a Fury and limit to 3 mins on any map. Damage in and then get out. I ask as I have a Fury and it warms my bench. I hardly ever use it. Itching to save and buy a 3rd Zeus so I can run the Fury and increase damage output. It will increase your damage but you will find that Carnage lasts longer than Fury if played correctly. I didnt even had to adapt too much to the "its time to eject" thing since Fury tipically lasts for 3 mins max. Also, Fury has much less speed and flexibility than Carnage, its all about the damage, so you need to know how to prioritize your targets to avoid getting flanked or shot down too early.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Mar 22, 2017 21:39:02 GMT -5
Do do think the Zeus Fury is legit? I love my Zeus Carney. The issue sometimes is that I last all match. When sometimes I should learn to eject earlier - difficult when having so much fun. I was thinking x3 Zeus on a Fury and limit to 3 mins on any map. Damage in and then get out. I ask as I have a Fury and it warms my bench. I hardly ever use it. Itching to save and buy a 3rd Zeus so I can run the Fury and increase damage output. It will increase your damage but you will find that Carnage lasts longer than Fury if played correctly. I didnt even had to adapt too much to the "its time to eject" thing since Fury tipically lasts for 3 mins max. Also, Fury has much less speed and flexibility than Carnage, its all about the damage, so you need to know how to prioritize your targets to avoid getting flanked or shot down too early. Cool good advice. I'm going to level my hanger first and save the 1,500 Au. Then think about the Fury as an option. I'll swap the Carnage into a Thunder. Gives me some varied play.
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Post by metatronx on Mar 23, 2017 14:30:29 GMT -5
You already have a competent midranger so you might as well stay with him. Your Zues Carnage can break an Ancilot's shield in 20-25 seconds. I love watching them try to run away. It's awesome at flanking like already mentioned. It's fun to walk around 400m of a PDB Griffin and watch them waste their jump trying to get within range of you just to have you rush away while zapping. It's a great harasser and a lot of fun. Also, three heavy weapons on a heavy bot will take FOREVER to upgrade. I always take that into consideration before making a purchase. You probably already have a pair of leveled Tarans or Orkans for a Lance. You got me into planning on buying a Carnage
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