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Post by gravediggers on Feb 19, 2020 16:06:31 GMT -5
I get tired of the same old League being stuck there it would be nice to be able to move down and dust off your old bots . Perhaps they could figure out something where we could use our old bots at a certain level and skill level  |
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Post by Phycoshot on Feb 19, 2020 16:36:05 GMT -5
I would like to use my nori bolt without being hated.
Not sure if that would happen in any league though...
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Post by Munki on Feb 19, 2020 17:03:18 GMT -5
So, you are proposing Matchmaking based upon Hanger Strength and/or ELO rating? An often suggested improvement to this game for sure though it just does not appear Pix is interested in it. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 19, 2020 17:37:44 GMT -5
The Mismatch Maker is working exactly as intended. Stan said so. It would be awesome if we could choose leagues though. I could see some cool ways to do it... *Have weapon level caps for each league. If you field a weapon that is above the limit, it applies a nerf to one (legacy) or two (non-legacy) levels below the highest allowed as a deterrent to being a ?smart person?. *Don't allow any component gear from Silver, down. *Don't allow top META gear in Gold. You would have to have a dedicated hangar of old bots and weapons to brawl with noobs in order to keep things fair since 5 Leech hangars, even if 1.6 (here's looking at you, Deadeye), would still decimate noobs in mostly legacy hangars. *Rewards could be nerfed if you have achieved a league higher than the one you are in... if you drop to one league below the highest you have attained, you get .80 rewards... 2 leagues? .75... etc. etc. Make it about fun or being able to run with new pilots rather than about farming. Obviously there could be some issues with any of this as it's off the cuff thinking without a lot of insight into the possible loopholes and exploits... just saying that if Pix really wanted to, they could find a way to allow us to have fun in a manner like 6 pack without hurting the up and coming playerbase. IMO, YMMV |
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Post by Deadeye on Feb 19, 2020 17:48:38 GMT -5
The Mismatch Maker is working exactly as intended. Stan said so. It would be awesome if we could choose leagues though. I could see some cool ways to do it... *Have weapon level caps for each league. If you field a weapon that is above the limit, it applies a nerf to one (legacy) or two (non-legacy) levels below the highest allowed as a deterrent to being a ?smart person?. *Don't allow any component gear from Silver, down. *Don't allow top META gear in Gold. You would have to have a dedicated hangar of old bots and weapons to brawl with noobs in order to keep things fair since 5 Leech hangars, even if 1.6 (here's looking at you, Deadeye ), would still decimate noobs in mostly legacy hangars. *Rewards could be nerfed if you have achieved a league higher than the one you are in... if you drop to one league below the highest you have attained, you get .80 rewards... 2 leagues? .75... etc. etc. Make it about fun or being able to run with new pilots rather than about farming. Obviously there could be some issues with any of this as it's off the cuff thinking without a lot of insight into the possible loopholes and exploits... just saying that if Pix really wanted to, they could find a way to allow us to have fun in a manner like 6 pack without hurting the up and coming playerbase. IMO, YMMV  |
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Post by hi5 on Feb 19, 2020 18:35:07 GMT -5
It’s called smurfing now and it’s probably better left as a full start-a-new-game pathway. Easy access to lower leagues by running low gear as an experienced player risks abuse via seal clubbing. This was the biggest flaw in the pre-league tier system - and it was used to farm resources which is really why it was changed to leagues.
Could it be done in a way to limit abuse and farming. Maybe. Would it make pix money? Nope.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 19, 2020 18:44:37 GMT -5
Choosing your league doesn't sell the newest wave of power.
This was the entire basis of 6pack league.
Never gonna happen.
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Post by gravediggers on Feb 19, 2020 21:00:35 GMT -5
Personally I think it's a no-brainer for the Devs plus they sell older Bots and perhaps they could do it on the weekend like they do the skirmish it's a no-brainer really they can make money off of it plus extra entertainment and enhances their game. The whole thing of it is to take a break from the Mayhem of the upper tier leagues and to have a bit of a change . Has nothing to do with the newest Bot.
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Post by runamok on Feb 20, 2020 7:41:40 GMT -5
It’s called smurfing now and it’s probably better left as a full start-a-new-game pathway. Easy access to lower leagues by running low gear as an experienced player risks abuse via seal clubbing. This was the biggest flaw in the pre-league tier system - and it was used to farm resources which is really why it was changed to leagues. Could it be done in a way to limit abuse and farming. Maybe. Would it make pix money? Nope. No, it’s what they said the league system would solve. It clearly didn’t, thus we have tankers. |
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Post by Koalabear on Feb 20, 2020 7:52:20 GMT -5
It’s called smurfing now and it’s probably better left as a full start-a-new-game pathway. Easy access to lower leagues by running low gear as an experienced player risks abuse via seal clubbing. This was the biggest flaw in the pre-league tier system - and it was used to farm resources which is really why it was changed to leagues. Could it be done in a way to limit abuse and farming. Maybe. Would it make pix money? Nope. I prefer the Magnum Gepard days over the Mk2 Madness and Module Madness and Booster Madness and Pimping your Ride Madness that we have today. At least the Magnum Gepard was achievable and required a certain degree of skill to run. The league system was created to create a power gap which in turn creates power envy which encourages spending. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 20, 2020 9:33:41 GMT -5
It’s called smurfing now and it’s probably better left as a full start-a-new-game pathway. Easy access to lower leagues by running low gear as an experienced player risks abuse via seal clubbing. This was the biggest flaw in the pre-league tier system - and it was used to farm resources which is really why it was changed to leagues. Could it be done in a way to limit abuse and farming. Maybe. Would it make pix money? Nope. I prefer the Magnum Gepard days over the Mk2 Madness and Module Madness and Booster Madness and Pimping your Ride Madness that we have today. At least the Magnum Gepard was achievable and required a certain degree of skill to run. The league system was created to create a power gap which in turn creates power envy which encourages spending. Not only that but as soon as you were out of the Tiers that had them (Low Silver and High Silver), there wasn't really a "Gold Tier" equivalent OP setup. The bottom of Gold Tier (Low Gold) was around level 8 for Heavy bots and then there was High Gold that had 10 - 12. You had to approach it carefully... like upgrading a few weapons and bots that you weren't using in the background in order to be ready when you crossed the threshold... but you had complete control over where you ended up. Any power gap was crossable with time spent in the Tier below where you wanted to be to get gear up to par.
IMO, YMMV
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Post by hi5 on Feb 20, 2020 15:48:04 GMT -5
Itâ??s called smurfing now and itâ??s probably better left as a full start-a-new-game pathway. Easy access to lower leagues by running low gear as an experienced player risks abuse via seal clubbing. This was the biggest flaw in the pre-league tier system - and it was used to farm resources which is really why it was changed to leagues. Could it be done in a way to limit abuse and farming. Maybe. Would it make pix money? Nope. No, itâ??s what they said the league system would solve. It clearly didnâ??t, thus we have tankers. If I recall leagues were implemented not long after mail.ru acquired Pix so â??what they saidâ? would fall under the current umbrella of â??donâ??t mean ?dookie?â?. IMO the primary reason they shifted from tiers to leagues was to facilitate the monetization schemes weâ??ve seen since. Farming in a lower league as an experienced player while building a gold hangar before jumping into that bigger pond does not jive with the whole â??spend money to advanceâ? strategy. I think the only reason they did anything to reduce tankers (and itâ??s FAR less than it was a year ago) was for the same reason - to limit players from grinding resources for free and instead drive sales. Sure it hurt new player adoption some, but theyâ??ve ignored high attrition and turnover for a while. |
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Post by hi5 on Feb 20, 2020 16:16:29 GMT -5
Itâs called smurfing now and itâs probably better left as a full start-a-new-game pathway. Easy access to lower leagues by running low gear as an experienced player risks abuse via seal clubbing. This was the biggest flaw in the pre-league tier system - and it was used to farm resources which is really why it was changed to leagues. Could it be done in a way to limit abuse and farming. Maybe. Would it make pix money? Nope. I prefer the Magnum Gepard days over the Mk2 Madness and Module Madness and Booster Madness and Pimping your Ride Madness that we have today. At least the Magnum Gepard was achievable and required a certain degree of skill to run. The league system was created to create a power gap which in turn creates power envy which encourages spending. I agree that War Robots is more 「fluffernutter」ed up today than it was then. But I started in the Mag Gep era and it wasnât exactly pleasant as a new player - and earning the Au to get a hangar of Geps took time and only got easier as you became the predator (lucky for me I only sunk gold into 2 before they became irrelevant). A pack of 4/12 Geps swarming a bunch of Destriers and Pattons isnât that far removed from a pack of leeches or phantoms - but that doesnât happen much in bronze and gold leagues anymore (I assume). And if it does, it takes effort to get down there vs just changing a hangar. My POV is that itâs not really feasible - or at least itâs really complicated - to allow experienced players to pick their league and potentially swim with the guppies or goldfish. Geps did have a super fast swivel and were fast in those days - they were a power gap back then otherwise players would have run them in gold tier instead of mostly the two lower tiers (and letâs be honest - most of the worst were in the lowest). I had envy facing them at the time - and frustration. Iâve got mad respect for players who run legacy builds in Champions League or capped hangars in E-M. But giving the ability to all players to drop into any league even with gear limits risks abuse IMO. 6-pack was the right way to go because everyone had to actively get into it vs newbs unknowing facing skilled players in low level builds. |
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Post by RightOn on Feb 20, 2020 17:30:37 GMT -5
They don't need to get rid of the current leagues. What they need is an entire legend league that encompasses more than just the top 100.
Rank it say 7500+ and reset the 「illegitimate child」s to 7500 instead of dipping them into 5000
Currently I reside just below 5k because everytime I go past that mark the game plummets in fun. And you know, FUN is what I'm after. Hitting maxed phantoms with lv7 blaze and marquees is so fun! (Kill me)
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Feb 20, 2020 18:24:01 GMT -5
Quick note about the old days:
Unlike today, if you were swarmed by mag Geps and didn't want to slug it out you... left.
You left and there was ZERO penalty. You didn't lose league points. You didn't go to the LPQ.
You simply simply rolled the dice on getting a better match next time.
And matches came fast, very fast. None of this waiting we have now.
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Feb 20, 2020 19:24:12 GMT -5
Quick note about the old days: Unlike today, if you were swarmed by mag Geps and didn't want to slug it out you... left. You left and there was ZERO penalty. You didn't lose league points. You didn't go to the LPQ. You simply simply rolled the dice on getting a better match next time. And matches came fast, very fast. None of this waiting we have now. and fighting a lv2 Gep with lv12 weapons, meant you needed to really avoid being shot but they were still killable. Unlike today. |
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Feb 20, 2020 23:57:53 GMT -5
Exactly! By Dec 2016 I tangled with them routinely. The really skilled ones got me anyway but as for the others... well, they could be killed.
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Post by blackheart on Feb 21, 2020 1:14:30 GMT -5
They don't need to get rid of the current leagues. What they need is an entire legend league that encompasses more than just the top 100. Rank it say 7500+ and reset the ?illegitimate child?s to 7500 instead of dipping them into 5000 Currently I reside just below 5k because everytime I go past that mark the game plummets in fun. And you know, FUN is what I'm after. Hitting maxed phantoms with lv7 blaze and marquees is so fun! (Kill me) yup, the beginning of every season is hell, getting 「bum-bum」 whooped by all maxed out players, it becomes manageble towards the middle and the end of the month |
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Post by WattTron on Feb 21, 2020 2:02:16 GMT -5
I thought of a similar idea a while ago.
Instead of picking a league to enter, there would be matches where only certain robots would be eligible to enter.
So if you had a low level or a high level play, both can enjoy the same game play since certain builds like AJs and Leeches
and Titans would ot allow you to join.
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