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Post by truechill on Mar 18, 2017 18:41:59 GMT -5
I really struggle on open maps like canyon. There is usually a good spread of Furrys, carnages, etc that are locking down the map. I find myself getting kited and completely picked apart if I try to advance at all. One of the problems may be that their sniper bots are usually higher level than mine. I had over 3/4ths of my Griffins health chunked off in one volley from a Trident Furry, but it was an 11/11 furry vs my 8/8 Griffin.
I have seen some good advice regarding using Mid/long range to kill other mid/long range bots but I haven't seen much regarding using KFs. The best strategy my neanderthal brain has come up with is to try and spend one bot to cap a mid beacons and then just wait and hide until the enemy snipers have been thinned out.
I was wondering if anyone has some great tips/advice or a handy youtube video guide that would help.
Edit: please no MM or balance complaints ... just strategery please.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Mar 18, 2017 18:46:53 GMT -5
Ignore center, bait the sides. They have to close to get you, and then hopefully teammates start picking them off.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Mar 18, 2017 18:51:44 GMT -5
While difficult, it's not impossible. Thunder is correct, you need to go the long way around to engage mid/long range in a knifer.
Realistically you're hoping to either distract them long enough to let your midrange hit them, or to take at least one high value target out. If you're near their spawn point anyone you killed is likely to drop a brawler and kill you, or the other midrange reds will gang up on you.
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Post by Thumpmonkey1 on Mar 18, 2017 19:06:49 GMT -5
Yep - gotta get around the edges.
All the snipers will gang up on a target in center, so a couple trident/treb furies and a zeus carny will obliterate you. Come from the sides, using as much cover as possible, and frequently one or more of the snipers will remain focused of supporting middle leaving you only one to deal with.
I also find a shield bot a whole lot better for this than a griff - being able to take a couple zeus or treb shots to the shield as you're closing the last 100m to get in range makes a lot of difference in whether you pump a couple shots into them before dying or are able to actually finish one off.
Another thing is be patient. Snipers don't get to shoot often, so they are more likely to give up on sitting there waiting for you to pop out of cover while there are targets available in the middle. Wait until they fire once (treb, long reload) or twice (trident/zeus, attention is now elsewhere) toward center before making your move.
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 18, 2017 19:19:27 GMT -5
Use the shape of your bot and the landscape to your advantage and be patient. Keep as many objects, enemies and teamates between you and the snipers as possible at all times and wait until they turn to fire at something they can hit before you advance. Practice faking out of cover to make them waste their shot if you can. If you let us know what bots/weapons your using we could elaborate on how we would approach the map ourselves.
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Post by truechill on Mar 18, 2017 20:03:44 GMT -5
shaolinrogue Here is my hanger right now. I have a few other bots and weapons but this is probably my most competitive setup. I am working on the 5th hanger, 500AU away from it. 
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 18, 2017 20:08:12 GMT -5
shaolinrogue Here is my hanger right now. I have a few other bots and weapons but this is probably my most competitive setup. I am working on the 5th hanger, 500AU away from it. OK.. I will post back by tomorrow. Just getting the last of my footage from the test server for the request vids and highlights and now it's Rouge-atka time! I had to save it until last because I don't think I'll use anything else until they take it away from me  |
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Post by truechill on Mar 18, 2017 20:15:22 GMT -5
Thumpmonkey1 KaneoheGrown Thunderkiss Thanks for the tips. I gave it a try on a few games and it worked out ok. On Springfield I captured some of the outside beacons and managed to secure the win. I got a little bit lucky that the bots I encountered at the faaaarr corner beacon on Springfield were hyrda or Plasma fit and I was in my Galahad. My damage was a bit lower than average but a win is a win. I still got rekt on Canyon. It was probably my fault though. A couple RDB Griffins and a Trident Carnage picked me apart.
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Post by notyetnotsosoon on Mar 18, 2017 20:38:15 GMT -5
- Start off with a shield bot to counter starting snipers
- Time your advance w/ your team to pressure simultaneously
[edit]: Also, fight fire w/ fire. RDB may be the cheapest mid-range build.
[edit 2]: This just came to mind: maps like Yamantau are the best to play against snipers. Blues cap 3 beacons and wait them out at center, noobs in TT may at times be forced to sacrifice their precious 5k Au Furies to fight back the initiative. That's where you'll shine.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Mar 18, 2017 20:49:29 GMT -5
A couple RDB Griffins and a Trident Carnage picked me apart. can't do much about that unless you run an ancilot or a zeus carnage running solo unfortunaltely. And you cant really just 'grab other beacons', because all beacons are more or less in the range of the midrangers. If you're super desperate perhaps try baiting all of the midrangers attention to you and see what the blues do? Worth a shot ? |
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Post by Thumpmonkey1 on Mar 18, 2017 21:23:15 GMT -5
Thumpmonkey1 KaneoheGrown Thunderkiss Thanks for the tips. I gave it a try on a few games and it worked out ok. On Springfield I captured some of the outside beacons and managed to secure the win. I got a little bit lucky that the bots I encountered at the faaaarr corner beacon on Springfield were hyrda or Plasma fit and I was in my Galahad. My damage was a bit lower than average but a win is a win. I still got rekt on Canyon. It was probably my fault though. A couple RDB Griffins and a Trident Carnage picked me apart. On canyon most of the cover isn't quite large enough to avoid two trident or rdb reds spreading to either side. That said, that's the map I have to be most patient with if I'm hunting snipers. Sometimes I have to wait behind cover almost 2 minutes before they get frustrated and focus elsewhere. And by wait I really mean wait - bobbing back and forth lets them know you're itching to pop out, so they usually are itching for you to do it. If I do get in a secure spot say 400-450m away, I have more success going dead still. Takes some experience to know where you can do that and where you will get smoked (and sometimes I still get smoked, or have a friendly rhino or griffin come to see me). There's a couple sweet spots on each side where you have the path to center down the canyon partially in range. I'll pop a few shots toward center runners already engaged while I wait, so at least I get something out of the move, but yeah, it's a bit harder on canyon. Springfield you can use the hill between city and farm spawn to cover part of your trek, the silos for a bit, and if you swing wide enough the farm spawn buildings to get the rest of the way, and either turn the spawn beacon (which will bring reds buzzing like hornets) or slip into range of the snipers. None of these works everytime for me, and sometimes not for a couple matches in a row, but it's better than marching into a hailstorm in the middle. |
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Post by ipwng0dz on Mar 18, 2017 21:36:34 GMT -5
I really struggle on open maps like canyon. There is usually a good spread of Furrys, carnages, etc that are locking down the map. I find myself getting kited and completely picked apart if I try to advance at all. One of the problems may be that their sniper bots are usually higher level than mine. I had over 3/4ths of my Griffins health chunked off in one volley from a Trident Furry, but it was an 11/11 furry vs my 8/8 Griffin. I have seen some good advice regarding using Mid/long range to kill other mid/long range bots but I haven't seen much regarding using KFs. The best strategy my neanderthal brain has come up with is to try and spend one bot to cap a mid beacons and then just wait and hide until the enemy snipers have been thinned out. I was wondering if anyone has some great tips/advice or a handy youtube video guide that would help. Edit: please no MM or balance complaints ... just strategery please. Identify and keep a mental note of what weapons are out there on the bad guys team and where they're located. Look at your team and see who's using what and the direction they're aiming at. While keeping out of range of tridents/zeus/tulus (500-600m) go out and distract who your mid/long range allies are targeting. Repeat until you've got most the bad guys to their spawn. By then most of the mid range bots have been cleaned up and you can proceed as normal. |
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 18, 2017 22:23:47 GMT -5
shaolinrogue Here is my hanger right now. I have a few other bots and weapons but this is probably my most competitive setup. I am working on the 5th hanger, 500AU away from it. Actually loaded up your hanger on the test server and recorded some stuff on canyon and yamatu...showin is better than telling. Will post it in a day or 2  |
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Post by truechill on Mar 18, 2017 23:55:29 GMT -5
shaolinrogue Here is my hanger right now. I have a few other bots and weapons but this is probably my most competitive setup. I am working on the 5th hanger, 500AU away from it. Actually loaded up your hanger on the test server and recorded some stuff on canyon and yamatu...showin is better than telling. Will post it in a day or 2 Wow that's awesome. You should add a link to your youtube in your signature so people know you do videos and can check them out. |
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Post by zeus on Mar 19, 2017 0:52:27 GMT -5
Use terrain, line of sight and obstacles to mask your flank or approach. Mid range users are very sensitive to flanks, especially on maps like canyon. My favourite bot to close in on mid range is my plasma griffin. The jump will help you avoid some initial damage as well as help you close in that final distance. The damage is high enough that they will only get one last salvo on you.
Sometimes you have to play the role of a blue mid range defender with your KFs, defending your mid range blues and delaying advancing red Ancelots.
I actually have the same hangar as yours, without aphids and with an additional fury. It's best to leave mid range to other mid range if possible, otherwise, Ancelots have the highest chance to reach red mid range bots. Our current bots will fall short if you insist on a frontal assault.
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 19, 2017 22:18:43 GMT -5
Actually loaded up your hanger on the test server and recorded some stuff on canyon and yamatu...showin is better than telling. Will post it in a day or 2 Wow that's awesome. You should add a link to your youtube in your signature so people know you do videos and can check them out. Video is done and is uploading right now.... I'll post the link shortly |
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 19, 2017 23:37:21 GMT -5
Actually loaded up your hanger on the test server and recorded some stuff on canyon and yamatu...showin is better than telling. Will post it in a day or 2 Wow that's awesome. You should add a link to your youtube in your signature so people know you do videos and can check them out. And here you go my from fresh outta The Machine |
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 19, 2017 23:52:05 GMT -5
Canyon is indeed tricky when dealing with snipers and midrangers. I actually call canyon the "death bowl" for obvious reasons. That center usually means death for you and anyone else when snipers are covering it.
Like OP have said patience is key as well taking the center beacon. Having beacon advantage is critical and forces the snipers and midrangers into close quarters to cap the center beacon.
I recommend taking center beacon early then covering the center with your bots. I usually have a midrangers but if it is unavailable I use my thunder carnage or a db and wait behind cover ignoring snipers completely. I try to hold the center by dashing to it if a red tries to take or perform a griffin leap attack.
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Post by spawnreaper on Mar 20, 2017 0:40:41 GMT -5
Isn't that why game has a leave battle button?
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Post by mannisch on Mar 20, 2017 1:50:11 GMT -5
Hi As I love sniping, I will tell you what will bring me in trouble and see my point of view. I hate: - all kind of britbots - pilots, observing when I have fired - pilots taking care of my recharge time - a Lot of bots in group (cant see clear target) - rocket smoke, I cant see the target if it is armoured or not - clever stalkers or damn rhinos - robots in half cover What I really Love: - jumping targets (it is like disc shooting  - carnages and fujin - bots running away to cover after I hit and come out again after my charging BR Mannisch. |
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Post by truechill on Mar 20, 2017 2:01:05 GMT -5
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 20, 2017 2:03:17 GMT -5
Isn't that why game has a leave battle button? I personally think they should remove that, or prevent "filtered" matches from affecting your ranking. Playing only maps that you like (are good at) is not participating in the full game. While that is fine for some, (everyone's game time is their own to enjoy) I personally enjoy the satisfaction of progression in a game as a whole, especially the challenges, not just the parts I am good at. You cannot fairly compare your ranking to that of others when you only compete in the parts of the game you are optimized for. If you are a casual player not concerned with ranking, then by all means, avoid the maps and ranges that you find frustrating. I feel the same way regarding "filtering" for Heavy/Medium/Light robots or "Only Silver" equipment. That would be a great option for when you want to enjoy the game at your own pace or take a break from the grind, but the Meta is the full game and is the only version that I feel warrants any sort of Ranking. |
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 20, 2017 2:05:24 GMT -5
Much appreciated hope it helps, good hunting my friend! |
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Post by BLYTHE on Mar 20, 2017 2:54:32 GMT -5
I run a TT Fury on Canyon. I take the side position early and hit shielded bots as they try to cap CB--easy especially when they hug the wall. Honestly, there's always someone trying to sneak up on me but by the time they get to me, it's time to eject into a PR or KN anyway so really a waste in my opinion. Lighter bots that can get there faster are usually very fragile and are taken out in a salvo.
I think the best counter is a carnage trident or zeus or an RDB. If you use an RDB, use the landscape to your advantage to try to get close and use the jump. Be aware though that one salvo will likely not take down a fury, so make sure you're jumping near cover.
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