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Post by amidf on Mar 18, 2017 13:58:02 GMT -5
I keep getting light bot daily tasks, and when I dismiss them I get wsp tasks instead. I'm potentially losing a fair chunk of gold from not having anything beyond destrier amd cossack in my inventory.
There is still a lot of gold I want to spend, so I don't think I'll get a gary. Right now I need nothing that costs wsp except a 3rd trident for a very long off fury. I have a couple extra mags, so I could equip a stalker. Would not be part of regular hangar or something I would level very high. Just for completing dailies.
Talk me out of it.
-Amid
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Post by ShutUpAndSmokeMyWeed on Mar 18, 2017 14:11:40 GMT -5
If all you're going to use it for is daily tasks, why not load up a hangar of silver lights and go to town a few times? You might drop some league ranking but it wouldn't take long.
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Post by Why? on Mar 18, 2017 14:12:45 GMT -5
Well, if it's just capping beacon tasks, use your Cossack, but after levelling it to 5 or 6. IT is quite cheap compared to other bots.
If it's destroying, arm the cossack with a lvl5-6 Taran atleast and hunt low on health bots towards the end or any oppurtune moments of the game. My favourite is running around a heavy that has just unloaded like an RDB Griff and do "Point Blank Executions", just fire the taran at 0m dist.xd If you don't want to get that close, just fir from max range.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Mar 18, 2017 14:16:21 GMT -5
The Stalker is a versatile light bot. So, if you don't want to buy a Gareth, it is the logical choice. But... When the Destrier is prey and the Gepard is the predator, your Stalker is just the vulture. You can deliver some damage, making it uncomfortable for the Reds. You can capture beacons, primal purpose of light bots. You can disturb other light bots to acomplish their goals.
I could write much more, but that is not the point. It all depends on your play style.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 14:53:38 GMT -5
For my light bot tasks, I just use a Zeus Sclutze and a Plasma Gareth.
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Post by nocluevok on Mar 18, 2017 14:54:19 GMT -5
I keep getting light bot daily tasks, and when I dismiss them I get wsp tasks instead. I'm potentially losing a fair chunk of gold from not having anything beyond destrier amd cossack in my inventory. There is still a lot of gold I want to spend, so I don't think I'll get a gary. Right now I need nothing that costs wsp except a 3rd trident for a very long off fury. I have a couple extra mags, so I could equip a stalker. Would not be part of regular hangar or something I would level very high. Just for completing dailies. Talk me out of it. -Amid Sounds famiar... me with all heavies and only one Galahad. Kept getting dropped too far away to even grab the home beacon most of the day. Walking a mile in a Leo can truly be a chore. Finally finished the task this morning.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 18, 2017 15:17:04 GMT -5
If you have the wsp to spare. The stalker is not bad. But that is only if you have 4 tartans, 4 magnums, a carnage or a rhino or both. A few tridents wouldn't hurt too. So as you can see the stalker is pretty low on that list.
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Post by amidf on Mar 18, 2017 15:39:18 GMT -5
If you have the wsp to spare. The stalker is not bad. But that is only if you have 4 tartans, 4 magnums, a carnage or a rhino or both. A few tridents wouldn't hurt too. So as you can see the stalker is pretty low on that list. I have 3 tarans (1 on galahad, 2 on griff to be moved eventually to lancelot), 4 mags (only use 2), a carnage, and 2 tridents. I've decided against getting a rhino, so I will sit on wsp. Eventually I will buy another trident and possibly a rhino. Depends on buffs and nerfs. For damage tasks I have put a lv8 taran on my cossack but it was evident it would take ages to get the mere 350k. I think with 2x lv8 mags and the survivability afforded by stealth, the stalker could get that damage in a few matches and be otherwise useful. I like my galahad and would totally get a gary ibstead but I need two more orkans and would like a lancelot and possibly a fury (see trident above). Haven't been dissuaded from stalker. I do like the idea of having it available for late game caps, but I don't want to give up anything else in my hangar right now. -Amid
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Post by rags on Mar 18, 2017 15:51:48 GMT -5
Stalker has a steep learning curve but honestly I like it better than my Gareth. Stalker and Gareth are the only light bots that are viable above silver league.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Mar 18, 2017 16:07:52 GMT -5
Stalker has a steep learning curve but honestly I like it better than my Gareth. Stalker and Gareth are the only light bots that are viable above silver league. Disagree. I've been in Gold I (iOS) playing my all light lineup since the start (even before, since the new MM). All 8/8. All get the job done, even the destrier. Would a second stalker be better than the old Dest? Sure, but I've got 7500wsp in my pocket instead. Sorry, terms like only, forced, viable, required, mandatory, etc, tend to set me off. I'll just be off now.
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Post by amidf on Mar 18, 2017 16:26:09 GMT -5
Stalker has a steep learning curve but honestly I like it better than my Gareth. Stalker and Gareth are the only light bots that are viable above silver league. Disagree. I've been in Gold I (iOS) playing my all light lineup since the start (even before, since the new MM). All 8/8. All get the job done, even the destrier. Would a second stalker be better than the old Dest? Sure, but I've got 7500wsp in my pocket instead. Sorry, terms like only, forced, viable, required, mandatory, etc, tend to set me off. I'll just be off now. I'll help you derail my own thread. How can you run an all light hangar? That was made impossible with the new MM. Everyone was forced to play slow, plodding heavies. Oh, wait, they weren't. But to be fair what was taken away was the ability to switch between light and heavy hangars easily or frequently. I'll accept that complaint but not the other one. -Amid
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Post by Golden Sabre on Mar 18, 2017 17:34:36 GMT -5
I know you don't want to spend the gold on a Gary but it's a bot you can use as part of your regular hangar and is a HUUUUUGE help for those light bot tasks. I was using cossacks and stalker but with the gary, it's so much easier.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Mar 18, 2017 20:36:47 GMT -5
There are 2 daily task swaps for a reason.
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Mar 18, 2017 21:12:06 GMT -5
I loves me my Stalker, and Gareth. They're the only items I've leveled to 9 for maximum speed and boy they zip around. Beacon cap and liberate tasks I can usually knock out in 4 games and get 5 gold on the wins. I also seem to win more when I use them.
The Stalkers speed and stealth allows it to sneak behind enemy lines and cause all kinds of havoc. It's lower health means I try not to engage reds unless they are near death, stealth is on, or Aphids are mounted. Damage dealt is less but winning feels better.
Personally I prefer new toys. Since the Fury is far off and you already have Tridents to play with I'd get the Stalker for something different in the meantime. It only takes 2 weeks to accrue the wsp (or 1 week if you dump in the daily task gold). It takes a week to level a Stalker up to 9 though. I think it's important to get Stalker and Gareth to 9 since speed is their main advantage.
Now that winning is more important than damage a good beacon capper really helps. I'm iOS Diamond II and don't know how much farther up that's true. I don't see any Stalkers in Legend league but there's a few Gareths.
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Post by amidf on Mar 18, 2017 22:14:38 GMT -5
There are 2 daily task swaps for a reason. Wsp task -> wsp task -> light bot task I don't have much luck switching tasks. Today I have a wsp task I am purposefully not finishing so I can hopeful swap it out tomorrow. -Amid
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Mar 18, 2017 22:23:29 GMT -5
Disagree. I've been in Gold I (iOS) playing my all light lineup since the start (even before, since the new MM). All 8/8. All get the job done, even the destrier. Would a second stalker be better than the old Dest? Sure, but I've got 7500wsp in my pocket instead. Sorry, terms like only, forced, viable, required, mandatory, etc, tend to set me off. I'll just be off now. I'll help you derail my own thread. How can you run an all light hangar? That was made impossible with the new MM. Everyone was forced to play slow, plodding heavies. Oh, wait, they weren't. But to be fair what was taken away was the ability to switch between light and heavy hangars easily or frequently. I'll accept that complaint but not the other one. -Amid Heh, my secret is that I run my lights as my main lineup, not just to do light bot tasks. When I get medium tasks, in go the 3/7 mediums I miss playing so much. When I get heavy tasks or my son and/or nephew want to squad, in go my 7/8 heavies. For all other tasks, and daily win bonuses, and just playing when there's no tasks on deck, the lights get the call. I don't get to play all that much but I know I've played well over a hundred matches with them since the new mm because I've been tracking each match in a google sheet, probably 85-90% of the time it's lights getting the call. This is has the effect of soft tanking, I guess, since my average damage with my 'main hangar' is a lot less than what it would be with the heavy bots I have. Oh well. I prefer fast paced play and flipping beacons while slugging it out. It has the side effect of making it fairly easy to swap my heavies and mediums in and out when needed. The best of all worlds! (I kid, I kid, but what can you do?)
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Post by amidf on Mar 18, 2017 22:24:35 GMT -5
I loves me my Stalker, and Gareth. They're the only items I've leveled to 9 for maximum speed and boy they zip around. Beacon cap and liberate tasks I can usually knock out in 4 games and get 5 gold on the wins. I also seem to win more when I use them. The Stalkers speed and stealth allows it to sneak behind enemy lines and cause all kinds of havoc. It's lower health means I try not to engage reds unless they are near death, stealth is on, or Aphids are mounted. Damage dealt is less but winning feels better. Personally I prefer new toys. Since the Fury is far off and you already have Tridents to play with I'd get the Stalker for something different in the meantime. It only takes 2 weeks to accrue the wsp (or 1 week if you dump in the daily task gold). It takes a week to level a Stalker up to 9 though. I think it's important to get Stalker and Gareth to 9 since speed is their main advantage. Now that winning is more important than damage a good beacon capper really helps. I'm iOS Diamond II and don't know how much farther up that's true. I don't see any Stalkers in Legend league but there's a few Gareths. Yeah, stalker is not in my long term plan. I won't get it straight to 9 bc none of my other bots are 9 yet. I have 6k wsp so will get him soon. -Amid
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Post by spawnreaper on Mar 18, 2017 22:46:27 GMT -5
Not a bad bot to have I'd suggest pinatas or aphids with them so u can play hide and seek better
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Post by zeus on Mar 19, 2017 1:20:44 GMT -5
For my light bot tasks, I just use a Zeus Sclutze and a Plasma Gareth. This explains why I was in d1 fighting Ancelots and galahads and suddenly find myself fighting off a devious little thunder Schultz that tried to flank me. If I get a wsp task without any more task points, I just stop playing and wait for the next day. But I have also thought about getting a Gareth for the light bot tasks. Task A swapped into Wsp task swapped into task A again. Bye two daily swap points.
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Post by shaolinrogue on Mar 19, 2017 4:02:00 GMT -5
Well, if it's just capping beacon tasks, use your Cossack, but after levelling it to 5 or 6. IT is quite cheap compared to other bots. If it's destroying, arm the cossack with a lvl5-6 Taran atleast and hunt low on health bots towards the end or any oppurtune moments of the game. My favourite is running around a heavy that has just unloaded like an RDB Griff and do "Point Blank Executions", just fire the taran at 0m dist.xd If you don't want to get that close, just fir from max range. I just ran a 5X 12/12 Cossack hanger on the test server and tried out all the medium weapons. I definitely did well enough to finish a day's worth of light bot missions in 2-3 matches.
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Post by dms12008 on Mar 19, 2017 5:15:56 GMT -5
I can try to talk u out of it. First of all, I find it hard to believe u can't get the right au missions that don't require light bots. Even if u need to wait a day, you should b able to get a basic au mission w just the two free extra 'rolls' but if not u don't lose anything by just waiting a day. Also u could consider that most longtime players say u don't need gold by the end of the game; rather u need more silver for mega upgrade costs to lvl 12. The daily missions r like little carrots placed by pix but at the end of the day it just comes down to playtime match for match and 'keeping up' w daily tasks is less meaningful than u might think (since eventually u don't need gold). And the conversion of gold to silver won't help- 5k au for 15mil ag- that's not even enough for a single upgrade to lvl 12. In any case note how u could make that silver just playing matches much faster than working for it w gold made from missions. Just responding to your thread- talk u out of getting a stalker for the purpose of au missions- there is a whole debate about the overall value of a stalker but what I'm saying is there is no bot purchase that is worth it simply for doing daily missions. If anyone disagrees feel free to plot out the probability of hitting the basic au tasks using free switch points- u should find that it's just too easy to get the basics to b able justify needing to buy special bots to gain that au. In fact I would argue that if u did fall for this- pix got u! The whole point of those special missions is to pressure u to buy special bots. Mathematically it's not worth the attention of your resources though
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Post by Divine Thunder on Mar 19, 2017 5:41:27 GMT -5
Resist the temptation. They are like the old Lays potato chip commercial, "one is never enough." That is why you have to be over twenty to buy.
Kidding aside. Personally, i found the stalker to be a disappointment, like many of the Lays potato chips.
They are peashooters which frankly tick off the other pilots.
If you can use it effectively, go for it. Otherwise, go for the gareth.
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Mar 19, 2017 7:37:13 GMT -5
Oh man, I've started starting with a Gareth or Stalker and it's so much fun. Reminds me of the old MM when I'd run 1/6 Gepards of Pinatas and Pins. Zig-zagging through reds, that nimbleness to dart, hide, peek-a-boo.
I used to start with a midranger to survey the field and only bring out my 1 capper if we needed beacons. Now I'm going to keep 2 in the hangar and start with them. Some games I lasted the whole battle in a Stalker, capping like mad.
I've had a couple games in the past where reds started all (or nearly all) Stalkers and Gareths and just RUSH the field, swarming everywhere. They had 4 beacons by the time we got 1 and we lost quickly. We just couldn't establish a frontline, they seemed to be everwhere. This blitz strategy is very effective but I wonder how high up it works.
Just now I had a 1 on 1 in my Aphid Stalker against a Zues Carnage. We were close and my stealth was going to run out before I could get to cover so I ran at him and danced around hoping he couldn't get a lock on me. Managed 3 Aphid salvos into him nearly killing, missed 2, he got 1 bolt into me before a friendly finished him. It was hilarious and exciting, taking me back to the old MM days again.
I'm going to build a whole hangar of Stalkers and Gareths, like my old all Gepard hangar. Finally some cracks of variety are appearing.
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Post by amidf on Mar 19, 2017 16:26:28 GMT -5
I can try to talk u out of it. First of all, I find it hard to believe u can't get the right au missions that don't require light bots. Even if u need to wait a day, you should b able to get a basic au mission w just the two free extra 'rolls' but if not u don't lose anything by just waiting a day. This is the best counter argument so far, and it really made me rethink my assumptions. It helps that I finally cleared my tasks after pushing off wsp and swapping out light bot challenges for several days. Looking back, I have only been stuck with these light tasks a coupke of times. I think I just had a string of bad luck. I will probably still get the stalker and bring it up to the level of my active hangar. Will be good for occasional change of pace. I have extra mags and piñatas, so it won't cost me so much upgrade time for the option. -Amid
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Post by amidf on Mar 20, 2017 10:48:15 GMT -5
Update: Having obtained enough wsp to buy the stalker, but still being a day away from being able to start upgrading one, I'm having cold feet. I really don't see a place for it in my long term hangar. It might be fun to try a faster bot (fastest I have now are gala and rushed carnage), but do I really need this one?
I'm just going to sit on the wsp and delay the decision. I don't need to start upgrading another trident yet either, so no harm.
-Amid
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 20, 2017 11:18:42 GMT -5
in my opinion its better to buy a Gareth with Au and spend those WSP on a mag & taran for it. Stalker performs best with Aphids and a lot of patience on the part of the pilot.
With either build you are spending about the same Au and WSP. (Slightly less Au with Gareth).
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Post by snk on Mar 20, 2017 11:52:17 GMT -5
I like playing my Piñata Stalker 7/7, currently in iOS Diamond 2. I am sure I annoy the red a lot (sting them once every ~25 secs, capping a lot of beacon). Usually my Stalker can only be taken out by 2 or more reds. But the longer m Stalker staying alive, the lower the damage I've done. Stalker isn't good for group fight too, die too fast and dps too low.
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Post by amidf on Mar 20, 2017 12:25:07 GMT -5
in my opinion its better to buy a Gareth with Au and spend those WSP on a mag & taran for it. Stalker performs best with Aphids and a lot of patience on the part of the pilot. With either build you are spending about the same Au and WSP. (Slightly less Au with Gareth). At 3 tarans and 4 mags, I might have all the plasma I will ever need. My plan is to run 2 short range missile bots, 2 plasma, and one mid-ranger. I need more orkans, but plasma should be set so long as one is gala or gary. I would take tarans off griffin rather than gala when I move to lancelot. I do need 2 more orkans, so gary will have to wait. -Amid
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 20, 2017 14:26:33 GMT -5
in my opinion its better to buy a Gareth with Au and spend those WSP on a mag & taran for it. Stalker performs best with Aphids and a lot of patience on the part of the pilot. With either build you are spending about the same Au and WSP. (Slightly less Au with Gareth). At 3 tarans and 4 mags, I might have all the plasma I will ever need. My plan is to run 2 short range missile bots, 2 plasma, and one mid-ranger. I need more orkans, but plasma should be set so long as one is gala or gary. I would take tarans off griffin rather than gala when I move to lancelot. I do need 2 more orkans, so gary will have to wait. -Amid My hangar currently has 2 griffs. One aphid/orkan and one plasma. Also a plasma Gareth and a pinata/orkan galahad. I find it useful to have the option of plasma or rockets on both a shield bot and a griffin. Just FYI. Also my current mid-range bot is a Zeus Carnage. I dunno what I'd switch out to make room for a lance. Maybe the Galahad and switch the Gary over to rockets. It's a hard decision.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 20, 2017 15:17:46 GMT -5
My opinion, fwiw, is that if you don't like light bots, you won't be happy getting either the Gary or the Stalker. BUT, if you think there is a bit of fun in running around in a really fast bot with a special ability that can play havok with anyone you want to mess with, then both will get more play than just tasks.
That's basically the reason I still have a light in my hanger 80% of the time. The fun factor. I like the agility and speed. Whether it is beacons, distractions, or flanking attacks, they provide the fast paced action I prefer. I rarely roll out with more than 1 light, since that would be too much of a detriment to the team, but 1 can be a game changer in the late game. If there are 2 or 3 bots left on each team, and they are all heavies or slower mediums, 1 light bot can turn the tide by turning the beacons.
Plus, if you play with squads, a capper has more meaning with a team that can capitalize on whatever your job is... whether capping, chaos-causing, or flanking.
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