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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 18:52:02 GMT -5
Need a math wiz to prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt.
1 sec previous cooldown to switch between modes.
Now 5 second but you get 20k burst heal.
The only way I can see this as being better than before is if you are healing your entire team every time u burst heal... Even then u have less dps.
This would be a buff if they didnt mess with the cooldown for sure.
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Post by akulon on Dec 3, 2019 18:55:56 GMT -5
「dookie」t 「bum-bum」 hole, for me this is a nerf.
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Post by Robotor Affan on Dec 3, 2019 19:00:19 GMT -5
My Tyr live longer with this update. For me its a buff.
It all depends on how you play.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 19:06:51 GMT -5
Please provide math proofs instead of subjective "proofs"
Thanks.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 3, 2019 19:08:11 GMT -5
Didn’t they leave the support healing unchanged? That sounds like a buff.
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Post by spezialdupe on Dec 3, 2019 19:26:58 GMT -5
My Ancient Tyr is reaching level 9 tomorrow, I was just about getting my first serious infanterist brawler and I'm having a crush on this bot. really, i could go and smack someone right now. we are getting a weaker shield (it was so unfair that it took MK2 storm leeches five shots instead of three) and plus we're getting a 5 seconds cooldown to switch between modes? why, for fks sake!?
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Post by The Doctor Is Out on Dec 3, 2019 21:01:57 GMT -5
Need a math wiz to prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. 1 sec previous cooldown to switch between modes. Now 5 second but you get 20k burst heal. The only way I can see this as being better than before is if you are healing your entire team every time u burst heal... Even then u have less dps. This would be a buff if they didnt mess with the cooldown for sure. ?millenial nonsense word? I'll tell you the same thing I told you on Reddit. I need test subjects as I have a maxed Tyr. Do you want to help me run some numbers by shooting me in the face with something, or are you going to mount your high horse of "show me the numbers" that Pixonic hasn't given us yet?
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Post by The Doctor Is Out on Dec 3, 2019 21:03:47 GMT -5
My Ancient Tyr is reaching level 9 tomorrow, I was just about getting my first serious infanterist brawler and I'm having a crush on this bot. really, i could go and smack someone right now. we are getting a weaker shield (it was so unfair that it took MK2 storm leeches five shots instead of three) and plus we're getting a 5 seconds cooldown to switch between modes? why, for fks sake!? You got used to a bugged Tyr. Special version changes are supposed to be cosmetic only. I have no sympathy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 21:05:03 GMT -5
Need a math wiz to prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. 1 sec previous cooldown to switch between modes. Now 5 second but you get 20k burst heal. The only way I can see this as being better than before is if you are healing your entire team every time u burst heal... Even then u have less dps. This would be a buff if they didnt mess with the cooldown for sure. ?millenial nonsense word? I'll tell you the same thing I told you on Reddit. I need test subjects as I have a maxed Tyr. Do you want to help me run some numbers by shooting me in the face with something, or are you going to mount your high horse of "show me the numbers" that Pixonic hasn't given us yet? Numbers numbers numbers How do u propose we can compare pre update to post update Tyr numbers tho by simply shooting u in the face. That would give us the new numbers sorta, but the old is unavailable. It's easier to just do the math...
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Post by foxypotato on Dec 3, 2019 21:06:16 GMT -5
Is burst heal upon activation of the light weapons and physical shield or when they are stowed away?
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Post by Windybutt on Dec 3, 2019 21:07:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure i don't have a tyr yet, but 20k for cooldown going from1 to 5 doesn't seem like a lot. On a high hp bot in 5 seconds you get 25k healing just from mechanic.
Hence, I would guess that in those 4 seconds of missed healing from the ability, you will lose more than 20k unhealed hp.
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Post by Robotor Affan on Dec 3, 2019 21:12:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure i don't have a tyr yet, but 20k for cooldown going from1 to 5 doesn't seem like a lot. On a high hp bot in 5 seconds you get 25k healing just from mechanic. Hence, I would guess that in those 4 seconds of missed healing from the ability, you will lose more than 20k unhealed hp. 20K is a lot. And where did you get the numbers 25k healing from mechanic in 5 secs? which bot is that?
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Post by Windybutt on Dec 3, 2019 21:13:04 GMT -5
sorry not in 5 secs, right. in 5 ticks. my bad. Not sure how long each tick is actually. Should be around 3.1k per second on my invader i think
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Post by Robotor Affan on Dec 3, 2019 21:13:08 GMT -5
Is burst heal upon activation of the light weapons and physical shield or when they are stowed away? when they stowed away. When you activate light weapons, the shield is up, healing goes off.
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Post by The Doctor Is Out on Dec 3, 2019 21:39:16 GMT -5
I'll tell you the same thing I told you on Reddit. I need test subjects as I have a maxed Tyr. Do you want to help me run some numbers by shooting me in the face with something, or are you going to mount your high horse of "show me the numbers" that Pixonic hasn't given us yet? Numbers numbers numbers How do u propose we can compare pre update to post update Tyr numbers tho by simply shooting u in the face. That would give us the new numbers sorta, but the old is unavailable. It's easier to just do the math... Well, Tyr's overall healing has not decreased; the number of HP/sec (compared to the unupdated Wiki numbers) is still the same. Determining the healing is simply done by switching to Assault Mode, taking damage from a predictable weapon burst (Taran/Redeemer) and then measuring the healing done against that number.
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Post by Koko Bop on Dec 3, 2019 22:23:57 GMT -5
A question about how this works: is the 5-sec “cooldown” how long it takes Tyr to bring the lights to bear (shift into assault mode), or how long before you can switch back (into support mode)?
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Post by Phycoshot on Dec 3, 2019 22:49:50 GMT -5
A question about how this works: is the 5-sec “cooldown” how long it takes Tyr to bring the lights to bear (shift into assault mode), or how long before you can switch back (into support mode)? How long until you can switch back, o no constant switching, but more rewarding when you do switch.
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Post by RightOn on Dec 3, 2019 22:53:29 GMT -5
Auto loaders or short cycle weapons are really important now that the cooldown increased to 5s
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Post by Koko Bop on Dec 3, 2019 22:59:04 GMT -5
Lucky me, shredders and pulsars
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Dec 3, 2019 23:47:13 GMT -5
Update notes say Tyr gets "additional burst healing" when switching to Support mode...implies that it still has it's Heal Over Time.
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Post by linearblade on Dec 4, 2019 1:11:38 GMT -5
?dookie?t ?bum-bum? hole, for me this is a nerf. no more ninja Gaiden action to avoid Ao juns, that’s for sure
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Post by Koko Bop on Dec 4, 2019 1:15:33 GMT -5
A question about how this works: is the 5-sec “cooldown” how long it takes Tyr to bring the lights to bear (shift into assault mode), or how long before you can switch back (into support mode)? How long until you can switch back, o no constant switching, but more rewarding when you do switch. Glad to hear it - couldn’t imagine taking FIVE SECONDS to make the switch... (Thinking about how long it takes for Raijin to shift into and out of bastion)
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Post by spezialdupe on Dec 4, 2019 1:30:44 GMT -5
My Ancient Tyr is reaching level 9 tomorrow, I was just about getting my first serious infanterist brawler and I'm having a crush on this bot. really, i could go and smack someone right now. we are getting a weaker shield (it was so unfair that it took MK2 storm leeches five shots instead of three) and plus we're getting a 5 seconds cooldown to switch between modes? why, for fks sake!? You got used to a bugged Tyr. Special version changes are supposed to be cosmetic only. I have no sympathy. Yelp.
How should I have known my Incentive would turn out as bugged. It just felt right as I was working/playing towards it for the last weeks. So any disappointment here is fully okay. As I never ran a Tyr before it took a while to realize there could be anything possibly wrong at all.
Still I wonder where you take the assumption the changes to the Ancient Tyr would only be of a cosmetic kind (in comparison to the regular version). On the 5.6 Update site they explicitly say "Fixed an issue that made Ancient Tyr's shield practically unbreakable" - and the cooldown time to switch modes will surely affect both versions alike--
never mind. i'm only pleading my right to feel disappointed. lol
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Post by dis on Dec 4, 2019 3:47:59 GMT -5
Just to clarify, when switching to support mode the healing pulse gives yourself and everyone in the green cycle burst healing then continues healing everyone in the green cycle as before. Despite a extra few seconds to change mode I would say this is a buff not a nerf, I have tried mine in a couple of battles and have not found the extra time to switch between modes problematic.
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Post by spezialdupe on Dec 4, 2019 4:39:56 GMT -5
Just to clarify, when switching to support mode the healing pulse gives yourself and everyone in the green cycle burst healing then continues healing everyone in the green cycle as before. Despite a extra few seconds to change mode I would say this is a buff not a nerf, I have tried mine in a couple of battles and have not found the extra time to switch between modes problematic. okay cool, that sounds much better, thanks for your clarifying!
Being tied to support mode for 5 seconds in short range fights would be fatal at some point (it's equipped with Coronas and Halos right now).
I'll probably have to change weapons and just use the Tyr less aggressively.
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Post by HarvesterOsorrow on Dec 4, 2019 7:11:55 GMT -5
Snowflake
Just checking to see what this millennial word is?
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Post by RightOn on Dec 4, 2019 7:27:11 GMT -5
Snowflake Just checking to see what this millennial word is? It means special? IDK I think it's kind of r-a-d
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 4, 2019 7:51:28 GMT -5
I don't see this as a nerf and I really really want a Tyr now. I think I'm gonna cancel my Halo build in the WS and start building a Tyr now.
Not everything is math related and math alone doesn't prove a nerf or buff. But, if you want numbers, at Mk1 L12, the Tyr repairs 2820 per second in support mode. When it didn't have a cool down, the Tyr could switch immediately back to Assault mode and barely get any healing. Now, it's forced to stay in Support mode for 5 seconds so you get 14100 HP healed PLUS the 20k burst heal. To balance that, it's now stuck in Assault mode for 5 seconds but I'm thinking the scale is heavily on the buff spectrum.
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Post by HarvesterOsorrow on Dec 4, 2019 8:55:36 GMT -5
Snowflake Just checking to see what this millennial word is? It means special? IDK I think it's kind of r-a-d It was just a test to see if snowflake was the edited word that results in the millennial tag. Still wondering what that word is. Wasn’t snowflake
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Post by RightOn on Dec 4, 2019 9:20:24 GMT -5
It means special? IDK I think it's kind of r-a-d It was just a test to see if snowflake was the edited word that results in the millennial tag. Still wondering what that word is. Wasn’t snowflake It think it's lit
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