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Post by RightOn on Dec 4, 2019 18:17:05 GMT -5
Yeah, as said above I think it means Supply Chest here, especially since I was talking about Supply Drop in the post they were responding to. SC can also be Super Chest on the Black Market. So take context into consideration. Yes, Supply Drop. In 10 minutes a Champ in Android can grind 1.5 Million silver through SD, more efficient than playing the game. If you're into doing strange exploits that you have to leap over walls to make work that still put you at risk of penalty And besides that, the point is I shouldn't have to do wacky glitch behavior because the game sucks. If the game sucks, why would I do that? And the game doesn't completely suck. It just sucks in a lot of ways. Sucks a lot more than it did 5 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 18:24:15 GMT -5
Aaaaand it's back to being light again. The last game especially involved a lot of Titan murder. 1 out of three counted as credit on the 900k clan task. I hope that they sort it, 1.6m is a lot of heavy lifting with my hangar for 200k of silver!
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Post by T34 on Dec 4, 2019 18:41:17 GMT -5
Yeah, as said above I think it means Supply Chest here, especially since I was talking about Supply Drop in the post they were responding to. SC can also be Super Chest on the Black Market. So take context into consideration. Yes, Supply Drop. In 10 minutes a Champ in Android can grind 1.5 Million silver through SD, more efficient than playing the game. Issue is that you wont stay in Champions League if you optimise SD milking and end up with a much lower pay out per game. Optimising SD milking via manual play in order to collect silver is the definition of wasting time. At its extreme, it equates to spending time to earn a virtual currency which provides no benefit to you what so ever (grind for the sake of grinding).
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Post by shivaswrath on Dec 4, 2019 18:58:14 GMT -5
I'm.screwes....my average is 750k damage. My silver is about to tank.
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Post by T34 on Dec 4, 2019 19:06:03 GMT -5
Yeah, as said above I think it means Supply Chest here, especially since I was talking about Supply Drop in the post they were responding to. SC can also be Super Chest on the Black Market. So take context into consideration. Correct, Supply Drop is the correct term for them.
Here is another result from Shade from Spartan Elite. VIP + Booster.
...and that also involved the +32 cup league advancement. That pay out should be around 2.5M+ Ag. Observed is 30% lower. If this is a bug they should give Droid players free VIP for at least a few days as compensation.
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Post by akulon on Dec 4, 2019 19:08:11 GMT -5
Yes, Supply Drop. In 10 minutes a Champ in Android can grind 1.5 Million silver through SD, more efficient than playing the game. Issue is that you wont stay in Champions League if you optimise SD milking and end up with a much lower pay out per game. Optimising SD milking via manual play in order to collect silver is the definition of wasting time. At its extreme, it equates to spending time to earn a virtual currency which provides no benefit to you what so ever (grind for the sake of grinding). Yup, it will lower your win %. After that MM will find easier match with players from M/E leagues and the end result is even more silver payout. But this is boring like hell and take away the game enjoyment. What I notice from the Ag payout (SD, Ag nerf), seems that Pix put more value on players who grind through Ad than those who play normally.
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Post by akulon on Dec 4, 2019 19:15:48 GMT -5
Correct, Supply Drop is the correct term for them.
Here is another result from Shade from Spartan Elite. VIP + Booster.
...and that also involved the +32 cup league advancement. That pay out should be around 2.5M+ Ag. Observed is 30% lower. If this is a bug they should give Droid players free VIP for at least a few days as compensation. This actually has been brought by "alphaomega1" in his thread "Silent Ag Nerf" on November 23. I calculated the silver payout using "happyfunball" formula and indeed it is 30% nerf.
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Post by T34 on Dec 4, 2019 19:24:26 GMT -5
Issue is that you wont stay in Champions League if you optimise SD milking and end up with a much lower pay out per game. Optimising SD milking via manual play in order to collect silver is the definition of wasting time. At its extreme, it equates to spending time to earn a virtual currency which provides no benefit to you what so ever (grind for the sake of grinding). Yup, it will lower your win %. After that MM will find easier match with players from M/E leagues and the end result is even more silver payout. But this is boring like hell and take away the game enjoyment. What I notice from the Ag payout (SD, Ag nerf), seems that Pix put more value on players who grind through Ad than those who play normally. Yes/Agreed. the reward now is for participation and watching ads. I suppose the nerf of silver income from games is compensated by the ads. But i cannot believe that they are willing to trash premium in this way and historically such compensations (like the SD) will be removed over time and substituted by some other mechanicms to some degree. Than that mechanicism is eroded and we are back to the full effect of the nerf.
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Post by reckless1 on Dec 4, 2019 19:42:25 GMT -5
Thats where we are heading. Watch ads for accumulating resources for that occasional real game. Dont worry about actually playing when logged onto the app. Let the age of dual ancile weylands beging. It keeps getting worst and worst. My dmg keeps going up over the years, but payouts stay the same or lower. I remember hitting 1M for the first times few years ago and getting 1M Ag, then they nerfed it week later. But they added HP system, so it was hard to tell what was going on. Then they took components outta the SD and slowly reduced the rewards from the crates. Good thing SC has been good to me (ares, hades, tyr, phantom, etc. etc. etc. otherwise i'd be in a hole rn). Grinding just seems worst now. They ?fluffernutter?ing trippin if they think they can lose the grinders. It's not just that. The bigger problem is the upgrade costs are insane. You can spend a billion easy on one bot with weapons. I am very near LL yet I get maybe 1MM per game. That's a THOUSAND games to update one bot that will be nerfed bestie I get it totally upgraded. If you think I'm paying 100 bucks for only enough silver to move a premium weapon a few levels you better lay off the Stoli, comrade!
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Post by akulon on Dec 4, 2019 20:20:22 GMT -5
It keeps getting worst and worst. My dmg keeps going up over the years, but payouts stay the same or lower. I remember hitting 1M for the first times few years ago and getting 1M Ag, then they nerfed it week later. But they added HP system, so it was hard to tell what was going on. Then they took components outta the SD and slowly reduced the rewards from the crates. Good thing SC has been good to me (ares, hades, tyr, phantom, etc. etc. etc. otherwise i'd be in a hole rn). Grinding just seems worst now. They ?fluffernutter?ing trippin if they think they can lose the grinders. It's not just that. The bigger problem is the upgrade costs are insane. You can spend a billion easy on one bot with weapons. I am very near LL yet I get maybe 1MM per game. That's a THOUSAND games to update one bot that will be nerfed bestie I get it totally upgraded. If you think I'm paying 100 bucks for only enough silver to move a premium weapon a few levels you better lay off the Stoli, comrade! Hehehe, 100 bucks? Wait till you read about the cost of Pixonium to maxed Ao Ming+ Weps.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Dec 4, 2019 23:03:29 GMT -5
I keep forgetting to check, but could the Ag nerf be due to an extremely high Repair cost for losing a Titan?
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Post by T34 on Dec 4, 2019 23:26:40 GMT -5
It keeps getting worst and worst. My dmg keeps going up over the years, but payouts stay the same or lower. I remember hitting 1M for the first times few years ago and getting 1M Ag, then they nerfed it week later. But they added HP system, so it was hard to tell what was going on. Then they took components outta the SD and slowly reduced the rewards from the crates. Good thing SC has been good to me (ares, hades, tyr, phantom, etc. etc. etc. otherwise i'd be in a hole rn). Grinding just seems worst now. They ?fluffernutter?ing trippin if they think they can lose the grinders. It's not just that. The bigger problem is the upgrade costs are insane. You can spend a billion easy on one bot with weapons. I am very near LL yet I get maybe 1MM per game. That's a THOUSAND games to update one bot that will be nerfed bestie I get it totally upgraded. If you think I'm paying 100 bucks for only enough silver to move a premium weapon a few levels you better lay off the Stoli, comrade! Yeah and they've changed that too with upping OE upgrade prices. Double whammy.
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Post by T34 on Dec 4, 2019 23:29:49 GMT -5
I keep forgetting to check, but could the Ag nerf be due to an extremely high Repair cost for losing a Titan? Doesnt matter. The bottom line is the only one that counts and the only one we can bank. Unless i missed something recently, i thought the matter was settled in regards to Repair costs. Repair costs are proportional to the damaged caused and not to the damage received.
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Post by RightOn on Dec 4, 2019 23:48:47 GMT -5
IIRC if a weapon blows up you lose about as much Ag as if a bot blew up
All the weapons blow up quickly on Titan
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Post by RightOn on Dec 4, 2019 23:56:00 GMT -5
OK here's a ?dookie?ty example, but let's try to figure it out. I blew up a lv8 Rogatka and a lv9 punisher T popped. I capped one beacon. I did ~130k damage. I received ~80k Ag. Really ?dookie? game though. Blue was just a phantom squad. K1S or w/e So anyway, the math could be anything. The old chart I remember had light weapons classified separate from medium and heavy, which were the same value. All bots had unique values ranging up to around 50k depending on the level. ACtually I'd venture a guess that 250k HP was worth 50k. So maybe a Titan is close to 100k (not including weapons) Assuming you lost 5 lv12 bots, that would top out around 250k, rounding health... IDK if when you lose a bot, is it also counting any weapons on it, or if weapons only count towards repair if they pop individually. Of course the repair value is hidden so now so who the 「fluffernutter」 knows
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