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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Dec 3, 2019 15:13:11 GMT -5
Hey Android Players,
There are reports by premium android players that silver payouts have been drastically nerfed, like 200,000Ag for a 2mil game. Can we get some screen shots here of your payouts to see if there is consistency in low payout?
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Post by integeritis on Dec 3, 2019 15:16:00 GMT -5
I was a bit happier with this update considering we have more silver bags on the battlefield, fingers crossed they won't nerf it at least for the holliday season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 15:17:57 GMT -5
Hey Android Players, There are reports by premium android players that silver payouts have been drastically nerfed, like 200,000Ag for a 2mil game. Can we get some screen shots here of your payouts to see if there is consistency in low payout? Would someone WITHOUT premium play a couple of Beacon Rush games and post: damage, kills, beacons, and Ag payout? That would be easier to check given that I don't have premium anymore.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Dec 3, 2019 15:44:09 GMT -5
Hey look, it's the obligatory post-Update Did-They-Nerf-Ag-Payout thread.
Every update since I started playing.
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Post by orionpax on Dec 3, 2019 15:55:39 GMT -5
Hey Android Players, There are reports by premium android players that silver payouts have been drastically nerfed, like 200,000Ag for a 2mil game. Can we get some screen shots here of your payouts to see if there is consistency in low payout? . If this comes to iOS I’m out. Silver payments are already way too low.
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Post by ctrlaltdefeat on Dec 3, 2019 15:59:03 GMT -5
It is 100% nerfed. I have premium running but notice what seems to be 30-50% less ag payouts. And ofcourse not a word from them about this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 16:25:32 GMT -5
It is 100% nerfed. I have premium running but notice what seems to be 30-50% less ag payouts. And ofcourse not a word from them about this. If that's the case I think you should be eligible for a refund, if you want it.
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Post by integeritis on Dec 3, 2019 16:55:23 GMT -5
Found these on facebook:
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Post by Joopiter on Dec 3, 2019 16:59:03 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure there's been a reduction in silver payouts. I noticed it on my account but thought maybe I was seeing things, then I was on our clan discord later and others were saying the same thing. Can't be a coincidence.
With that said, I'm not sure how bad they were cut.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 17:03:14 GMT -5
I will look at it when I get back home later tonight. If someone can run definitely BR games WITHOUT premium that would be best. Otherwise we will be partially guessing on effects.
If they really have nerfed Ag, I guess those $200M Ag for $99 deals haven't been going too well and they are hoping to entice people to buy. I think it will just cause a wave of people leaving... $200 to fully max a single weapon???
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Post by T34 on Dec 3, 2019 17:44:17 GMT -5
I’ve mentioned several times on other posts that something is going on with silver. A nerfing would not surprise me. I reckon Pix has been gradually restructuring the rewards mechanism but high up players do not see the effects in such a pronounced way as players in say diamond (where my smurf is). Not too long ago (a month or even less) I was making 250-350K Ag per game with the smurfie and now I am between 180-250K (iOS). More often around the 200K mark. I earn more from watching an ad (265K Ag) than actually playing. There is not much difference between doing well or poorly. Similar economic concept with gold.
IMO pix is moving towards rewarding time in game as opposed to performance in game. Silver distribution amongst players would be very similar at the end of such strategy and rely far less on in game performances. Top achievers will be hard hit by such a strategy and mediocre achievers will benefit significantly. All will be in a very similar boat but at the end of the day all will be silver poor and buying silver will be the only way to really get ahead as there will be no other decent silver sources. The price of RM silver offers should in theory decrease if the above is the case and will give a much greater advantage per dollar spent than before.
If this latest nerf appears to be true to you than go to apple or google and ask for monies spent on silver. That includes premium, Ag, boosters or whatever. Don’t take a Phildo without wriggling a bit.
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Post by dobby on Dec 3, 2019 17:50:59 GMT -5
Hmm... I seem to remember a fair few posts on here stating that at least the Titan update will put more Silver on the field (due to their relatively high durability); I guess Pix didn't like the idea of the non-whale crowd finding even a glimmer of a 'Silver' lining. Just doom and gloom, I guess.
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Post by T34 on Dec 3, 2019 17:57:44 GMT -5
Hmm... I seem to remember a fair few posts on here stating that at least the Titan update will put more Silver on the field (due to their relatively high durability); I guess Pix didn't like the idea of the non-whale crowd finding even a glimmer of a 'Silver' lining. Just doom and gloom, I guess. Yeah if they wouldn’t consider the impact and decide to give a silver earning buff. Time after time Pix has demonstrated that they are on top of all this stuff.
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Post by Joopiter on Dec 3, 2019 17:57:57 GMT -5
Ran a couple more matches because this is starting to eat at me... I'm pretty certain when I've got high scores around mid 3 millions that the silver was roughly 2 to 1.5 million. Not in this match. And definitely low 2 millions usually got you around low 1 millions, like 1.2 to 1.3 million. And not in this match. I was running premium.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 18:05:22 GMT -5
Erroneously started a post about this.
Just received 140k for a loss in BR with 1.1m damage, 6 kills and 2 beacons. Feels a bit skinny, but I might be wrong.
I did dump a lot of Avenger into a Titan (and killed it) maybe they don't pay the same?
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Post by T34 on Dec 3, 2019 18:10:07 GMT -5
Ran a couple more matches because this is starting to eat at me... I'm pretty certain when I've got high scores around mid 3 millions that the silver was roughly 2 to 1.5 million. Not in this match. And definitely low 2 millions usually got you around low 1 millions, like 1.2 to 1.3 million. And not in this match. I was running premium. If you get 10 gold and running premium or Silver boosters than your Silver pay out should be around half of the damage if I remember correctly. The first screen shot falls way south of that. If so that’s about a 1/3 nerf. CAN someone on iOS run a game and post the pay out ratio with a decent score and preferably with a 10 gold pay out ( I cant do it atm)
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Post by akulon on Dec 3, 2019 18:10:18 GMT -5
He he, I'm getting more Silver per time spend as SC warrior than real playing.
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Post by integeritis on Dec 3, 2019 18:32:09 GMT -5
Erroneously started a post about this. Just received 140k for a loss in BR with 1.1m damage, 6 kills and 2 beacons. Feels a bit skinny, but I might be wrong. I did dump a lot of Avenger into a Titan (and killed it) maybe they don't pay the same? If I read this correctly, you should have about 220k Ag for that game. 140k is way off
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Post by integeritis on Dec 3, 2019 18:35:43 GMT -5
If you get 10 gold and running premium or Silver boosters than your Silver pay out should be around half of the damage if I remember correctly. The first screen shot falls way south of that. If so that’s about a 1/3 nerf. CAN someone on iOS run a game and post the pay out ratio with a decent score and preferably with a 10 gold pay out ( I cant do it atm)
You can simulate tests with happyfunball’s calculator. war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/32220/solved-pix-determine-payouts-2019
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Post by dobby on Dec 3, 2019 19:01:12 GMT -5
[ CAN someone on iOS run a game and post the pay out ratio with a decent score and preferably with a 10 gold pay out ( I cant do it atm)
Alright, just in case you need a recent result, fresh off the press: Beacon Rush, no Premium or Boosters or Ads used, and obviously pre-update so we have something to compare with when iOS update hits.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 3, 2019 19:22:56 GMT -5
Hmm... I seem to remember a fair few posts on here stating that at least the Titan update will put more Silver on the field (due to their relatively high durability); I guess Pix didn't like the idea of the non-whale crowd finding even a glimmer of a 'Silver' lining. Just doom and gloom, I guess. Yeah if they wouldn’t consider the impact and decide to give a silver earning buff. Time after time Pix has demonstrated that they are on top of all this stuff. Yup, I think dobby is on to it. Basically it seems like they nerfed Ag so that the total amount of silver on the field stays about the same. You know, ‘cause you’re gonna mech out the reds all the time, right? More of the same from Pix.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 19:25:36 GMT -5
[ CAN someone on iOS run a game and post the pay out ratio with a decent score and preferably with a 10 gold pay out ( I cant do it atm)
Alright, just in case you need a recent result, fresh off the press: Beacon Rush, no Premium or Boosters or Ads used, and obviously pre-update so we have something to compare with when iOS update hits. yea, this is smtg i got before and posted in another thread a few weeks back. 2M and about 500K silver with 10 kills 1 beacon. smtg like that. But my payouts are less because meta changed always knock me back down 2 notches. My avg dmg is at a pretty low point, i don't get these high scoring games anymore. This might be it for me if they nerf it, if i can't make enough silver. I think it's a bad idea, and the economy is in shambles. Ya gotta ignore your wife, kids, and job if ya want to be in legends. forget about any other hobbies or games.
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Post by martag on Dec 3, 2019 19:49:15 GMT -5
I think it's a bad idea, and the economy is in shambles. Ya gotta ignore your wife, kids, and job if ya want to be in legends. forget about any other hobbies or games. I don't keep track enough to tell if I'm getting less Ag, but I def can get more Ag by Supply Drop farming than I can from playing. If I want to keep ahead of upgrades I feel like I have to spend more time watching ads and uninstalling/reinstalling the game for Supply Drops than battling. It's becoming tedious and certainly reducing the fun of the game for me. I don't mind dropping pocket change for equipment I would like to have or even Au, but I'm not going to spend RM on Ag. That's a pit of quicksand I will not even dip my toe into.
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Post by T34 on Dec 3, 2019 20:06:03 GMT -5
Yeah if they wouldn’t consider the impact and decide to give a silver earning buff. Time after time Pix has demonstrated that they are on top of all this stuff. Yup, I think dobby is on to it. Basically it seems like they nerfed Ag so that the total amount of silver on the field stays about the same. You know, ‘cause you’re gonna mech out the reds all the time, right? More of the same from Pix. Yep, total silver distributed will prob stay the same (or maybe a bit lower) as per my post above BUT you know those other sources of silver like Supply Drops and silver for ads are also taken into account. To make as much gain in terms of silver accumulation after the nerf, you will need to pay RM to make up for the gap. I think this is the main point to all this. And if you do pay RM than the advantage received will be easier to see. The not so funny thing about all this is that the easiest way to earn silver is by starting a game and firing one shot and sitting back. This is already the case in lower leagues. What you do on the field matters very little in terms of resource accumulation. Time in game does matter as does how quickly the games are turned over. The net effect in lower leagues is silver starvation if you want to go beyond L7 upgrades. Now players higher up will feel the same thing (not to the same extent tho). seems like the Silver carrot has been moved away from the donkey's nose and the reward if RM spent carrot has been moved closer.
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Post by akulon on Dec 3, 2019 20:07:54 GMT -5
I think it's a bad idea, and the economy is in shambles. Ya gotta ignore your wife, kids, and job if ya want to be in legends. forget about any other hobbies or games. I don't keep track enough to tell if I'm getting less Ag, but I def can get more Ag by Supply Drop farming than I can from playing. If I want to keep ahead of upgrades I feel like I have to spend more time watching ads and uninstalling/reinstalling the game for Supply Drops than battling. It's becoming tedious and certainly reducing the fun of the game for me. I don't mind dropping pocket change for equipment I would like to have or even Au, but I'm not going to spend RM on Ag. That's a pit of quicksand I will not even dip my toe into. In Android it takes around 3.5 minutes for 1 complete SC cycle. I guess Pro SC warriors will take less time.
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Post by T34 on Dec 3, 2019 20:11:59 GMT -5
I think it's a bad idea, and the economy is in shambles. Ya gotta ignore your wife, kids, and job if ya want to be in legends. forget about any other hobbies or games. I don't keep track enough to tell if I'm getting less Ag, but I def can get more Ag by Supply Drop farming than I can from playing. If I want to keep ahead of upgrades I feel like I have to spend more time watching ads and uninstalling/reinstalling the game for Supply Drops than battling. It's becoming tedious and certainly reducing the fun of the game for me. I don't mind dropping pocket change for equipment I would like to have or even Au, but I'm not going to spend RM on Ag. That's a pit of quicksand I will not even dip my toe into. Thats where we are heading. Watch ads for accumulating resources for that occasional real game. Dont worry about actually playing when logged onto the app. Let the age of dual ancile weylands beging.
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Post by Old-Cat on Dec 3, 2019 20:12:46 GMT -5
craaaaaap... I cant say I'm surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 20:17:58 GMT -5
I've decided to play some games on iOS tonight to get more data points before the update drops on same. Once it drops on iOS I will play additional games so I can do a full comparison between the two as well as to compare to April 2019.
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Post by martag on Dec 3, 2019 20:18:54 GMT -5
I've decided to play some games on iOS tonight to get more data points before the update drops on same. Once it drops on iOS I will play additional games so I can do a full comparison between the two as well as to compare to April 2019. You rock.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 20:58:37 GMT -5
I don't keep track enough to tell if I'm getting less Ag, but I def can get more Ag by Supply Drop farming than I can from playing. If I want to keep ahead of upgrades I feel like I have to spend more time watching ads and uninstalling/reinstalling the game for Supply Drops than battling. It's becoming tedious and certainly reducing the fun of the game for me. I don't mind dropping pocket change for equipment I would like to have or even Au, but I'm not going to spend RM on Ag. That's a pit of quicksand I will not even dip my toe into. Thats where we are heading. Watch ads for accumulating resources for that occasional real game. Dont worry about actually playing when logged onto the app. Let the age of dual ancile weylands beging. It keeps getting worst and worst. My dmg keeps going up over the years, but payouts stay the same or lower. I remember hitting 1M for the first times few years ago and getting 1M Ag, then they nerfed it week later. But they added HP system, so it was hard to tell what was going on. Then they took components outta the SD and slowly reduced the rewards from the crates. Good thing SC has been good to me (ares, hades, tyr, phantom, etc. etc. etc. otherwise i'd be in a hole rn). Grinding just seems worst now. They 「fluffernutter」ing trippin if they think they can lose the grinders.
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